IN-Call Y.M.M.V and its sessions

I think its time some people understand what this YMMV stick is all about.

We have to acknowledge the fact that we hobby with strangers, who appear to be hot and sexy ladies. They unfortunately sometimes have to suffer with dirty hairy clients, or clients that they are not attracted too even if they were the last man standing in the world. However, that is why the clients pay good money for. Spending time with beautiful ladies.

Over the years, I have had some great sessions . Others, not so great for many reasons. Location, girls hygeine, girls attitude etc..

Sometimes the attitude is negative by the girl because she may be unattracted to me. I understand that. Its normal. If I put myself in her shoes, and have a job where I have to spend an hour alone in a room with a complete stranger, it can get nerve racking.

Therefore, my advice is, be understanding of the girls position. Some girls perform better than others. Some can do better acting. Or, some just really enjoy spending time with complete strangers.

Finally, keep in mind that there are really bogus people out there. So when some dude comes up and posts a bad review of a girl, it could be because he was acting like a complete jerk to the girl. Also, on the other hand, sometimes its the girls that do deserve bad reviews. They think its ok to rob someone of their hard earned money. Some girls are high on some kind of candy while others are just too tired to perform due to staying up all night etc.

Learn to live with the YMMV stick. That is the reason why some guys really have better sessions than others do.

Enjoy hobbying.

While at it, feel free to describe your best session, and your worst ever session.
Ill start. (I will write the first letter of the girls name, just to respect her privacy)

Best Sessions : Extended to multiple hours, we both enjoyed each other so much and we both had the wildest time ever. (really)

Worst Sessions :
-I once had a girl fall asleep on me during sex. She was snoring. J
-Also, one of the the other worst sessions was when a girl was farting all over the place and laughing about it. K
-Another session was when a girl lay down like a dead fish playing with her iphone while I was doing her missionary. M
-Another bad session was when the girl had her period right infront of me during the session. E
-Another session that I remember was where the girl had the worst hygeine. Smell coming from all her holes. (mouth, anas, vagina) M
-Girl made me feel like I was raping her. A

Best Sessions : Three SOG from Veronica @ Select.

Worst Sessions : None as bad as you've had and hope never to have.

Extremes of Clients

Extremes of Clients

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You amigo must have big positive YMMV times.

Btw, my looks is closer to Soccer boy LOL.

Excellent thread HF. The bad clients should read this before going to their next session.

Hell Fire there are a lot of experienced Hobbyers here so everybody gets the YMMV thing. I have a question for you. What about the good clients (which most are) who get bad service? Should they just smile and say "Oh well YMMV"? Lets face it, there are a lot of girls who will do the bare minimum to earn the maximum dollars. That is what we discuss here Hell Fire. And for the record, if you look like Brad Pitt then you are most likely not in the Hobby. So take that analogy right out of this discussion otherwise the ladies would be paying us LOL.

The ladies who are offering their services, for a lot of dough, and advertising their menus in this competitive market have to be prepared to see a lot of mediocre guys. Nobody is forcing them to do this job and they shouldn't if they don't like their clients. What is the differance between Sebelle at TGF and a girl who attracts negative attention such as Emm? Why is Sebelle so popular? Is Emm just getting all the Smelly Guys? Sorry HF, but the good ladies provide better mileage than the not so good. Every bad review is not the Guys fault although some are.

Hell FirE said:

Worst Sessions :
-I once had a girl fall asleep on me during sex. She was snoring. J
-Also, one of the the other worst sessions was when a girl was farting all over the place and laughing about it. K
-Another session was when a girl lay down like a dead fish playing with her iphone while I was doing her missionary. M
-Another bad session was when the girl had her period right infront of me during the session. E
-Another session that I remember was where the girl had the worst hygeine. Smell coming from all her holes. (mouth, anas, vagina) M
-Girl made me feel like I was raping her. A

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Usually if you are polite, smell good and are pleasant you end up with the higher end of YMMV although you do find the odd bump in the road.

HOLY shit bro you have had some real winners!! Farting and smells from every hole, YUCK!!!

I had one session where I pulled out and went into panic mode when the condom was covered in blood.

I had another session years ago when the SP didn't want to be touched at all. She simply gave me a CBJ, and told me to hurry up and stick it in doggy.

I have walked out several times because of no soap, towel, or the lady made me go moosh after the KNOCK KNOCK.

I had an MPA lecture me about being at a massage parlor and that I should not be going to massage parlors. LMAO I listened to it through the entire back massage, got up, gave her 40 bucks only, got dressed and walked out as she continued to lecture me going out the door.

Over all and after so many years I can't complain, it's been a very fun hobby.

Rayden said:

I had an MPA lecture me about being at a massage parlor and that I should not be going to massage parlors. LMAO I listened to it through the entire back massage, got up, gave her 40 bucks only, got dressed and walked out as she

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You must tell us who she is. Only so to avoid her.

Hannibal2 said:

You must tell us who she is. Only so to avoid her.

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All the ladies of my worst moments are no longer in the business. The MPA worked at an MP called Palladium located around Jane/7 now gone a long time ago.

The SP that gave me my bad session worked with Fantasia in Mississauga which is also gone a long time ago.

The SP that left my condom red was probably 10 years ago. So not to worry you won't come across any of these ladies.

My worst happened during the street days before I discovered review boards. Won't bother mentioning them. Happened too long ago.

HFE, I knew you had YMMV on your mind (Khloe thread).

We all experience YMMV.

I want to share one component of YMMV that I experience - ladies can read us from first impressions - like mind readers. My worst YMMV is ALWAYS to a tee - I meet the SP, turns out she is NOT quite what I expected, okay, not a great choice on my part, but I respond to the situation and still:

- feel completed dejected
- don't smile
- don't seem enthusiastic
- don't change my attitude asap

She reads ALL of my signals - like some psychoanalyst/psychologist with a PHD - and the result is almost always a mediocre (possibly terrible) session! Thankfully, that is not often/rare.

Of course, some of the BEST SPs do what it takes to turn that type of situation around.

Sperminator said:

Hell Fire there are a lot of experienced Hobbyers here so everybody gets the YMMV thing. I have a question for you. What about the good clients (which most are) who get bad service? Should they just smile and say "Oh well YMMV"? Lets face it, there are a lot of girls who will do the bare minimum to earn the maximum dollars. That is what we discuss here Hell Fire. And for the record, if you look like Brad Pitt then you are most likely not in the Hobby. So take that analogy right out of this discussion otherwise the ladies would be paying us LOL.

The ladies who are offering their services, for a lot of dough, and advertising their menus in this competitive market have to be prepared to see a lot of mediocre guys. Nobody is forcing them to do this job and they shouldn't if they don't like their clients. What is the differance between Sebelle at TGF and a girl who attracts negative attention such as Emm? Why is Sebelle so popular? Is Emm just getting all the Smelly Guys? Sorry HF, but the good ladies provide better mileage than the not so good. Every bad review is not the Guys fault although some are.

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I will respond to almost all your questions in your post.

I know there are experienced hobbyists here on the board, most are more experienced than me, while others not so much. This is for the general board members. No, some guys really do not get what the YMMV is all about.

I agree some girls don't deserve our hard earned money. If they are having a rough day, they shouldn't be working. However, some girls provide bad service because they really have no option but to provide bad service. If the guy is ugly and hairy, the least he should so is be clean, polite and shaven in the right areas. This will help him get good service. I am no Brad Pitt, but I have met some fairly good looking hobbyists (NO HOMO). Not everyone hobbies because they are average to ugly looking. Some hobby out of stress, or the urge to have sex, something they can't get at home or work etc. Some hobby just to spend some time to relax and unwind with a nice looking lady. Reasons for hobbying are unlimited.

I will give you two examples.

Girl - (K) - I saw her, based on both good and bad reviews. Thought i should try my luck. I had an excellent time with her. This girl had bad reviews and I know why. She told me herself that the previous guy that was there before me freaked her out. He was starring at her, holding her face and looking at it as if he had never seen another human before, and also feeling her hair (which she didnt like) and making weird sounds. That definitely freaked her out and the guy probably got a bad session due to his silly acts, and that is when the bad review came out. Sometimes, its not only the girl to blame but the guy too.

Girl (A) - She has outstanding reviews mostly, however when I saw her, it made headlines on one of my worst sessions ever. It had nothing to do with my attitude, nor my hygiene nor my looks. I usually get fairly good mileage. The only reason I good think of was, either all her reviews are shills, OR, she is unattracted to me. And I respected her. At the end of the day, yes my 250 $ are going down the fucking drain and im not happy about it. The best I can do is call the agency hoping for compensation, but that may not happen. And it didnt anyways. SO i decided to move on. But I do feel for the girl. It was not easy for her to be naked with a complete stranger. So yes, she should quit her job and find something else to do, rather than take our hard earned cash.

Sebelle gets good reviews consistently because she is a trooper. She is good at what she does, and she is serious about it. I saw her and she fucked me hard. I couldn't hobby for a month because of how my body got fucked. This shows of how good of a SP she is. She provides service for a paid fee. She is serious about her job.

Do other girls need to be serious? Ofcourse they do , especially when im paying over 4$ a minute, but, keep in mind they are humans. Am I happy when I get bad sessions? Ofcourse not.

YMMV - Girls who work when they are sick, or are farting or sleeping or getting high or stink do not deserve to be getting $$. Yes I agree. However, sometimes some girls get bashed because of freaks who treat them wrong. That is all im trying to say.

Hope im not confusing anyone, because now im getting confused.

Thx HFE for thread.

I commend you for your most recent reply. There are SPs that are pure YMMV, or maybe, should not be in the biz, or other.

I posted just before you about another variation of YMMV - choosing the "wrong type" of SP.

That said, someone like Sebelle @ TGF or Sofia @ Mirage (not surprisingly, the top 2 of 2010), can deal with almost ALL situations.

Hell FirE said:

Sebelle gets good reviews consistently because she is a trooper. She is good at what she does, and she is serious about it. I saw her and she fucked me hard. I couldn't hobby for a month because of how my body got fucked. This shows of how good of a SP she is. She provides service for a paid fee. She is serious about her job.

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Totally agree with your description of Sebelle. I have seen her a few times and will continue to repeat because she is a class act.

Interesting topic and great contributions from some guys. YMMV did show up in my short experience, but not so bad that I had regrets about my money. However, to avoid bigger damages, I go only for HH sessions, unless I am pretty sure that I can't go wrong. And I think the age gap can be also a factor!

Me again said:

Excellent thread HF. The bad clients should read this before going to their next session.

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The problem is that many of the bad clients won't recognize themselves.

Me again said:

Excellent thread HF. The bad clients should read this before going to their next session.

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Unfortunately, the bad clients never self-identify as such, so they assume everyone else is the bad client.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Lone Wolf said:

The problem is that many of the bad clients won't recognize themselves.

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Diddo :great:.

So if I am to understand what so many like to harp on, IF

I wash my ass properly,

brush my teeth and gargle too,

do some manscaping of the bits and lickables,

be cordial and polite and finally,

not have any sores that can be suspected of being an STI, then

regardless of looks, even if I were to resemble a old decrepit gargoyle I should expect a higher end of YMMV?



Now honestly, which one of these gentlemen would get a betters session?:go:

Hell FirE said:

Hope im not confusing anyone, because now im getting confused.

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Yes just a little :intello: but got most of your good points.

Thanks.