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TTC streetcar driver disciplined for chasing sex assault suspect

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Finally a TTC employee does the right thing and they fire him./ What is wrong with this picture?.



TORONTO - This is not the better way.

Shame on the TTC for ordering driver Dino Oroc to hang up his uniform after he left his busy Queen 501 streetcar Wednesday afternoon to give chase to a man who had reportedly just sexually assaulted a female passenger on his route.

According to police, the streetcar was heading eastbound on Queen St. when a woman told the operator that she’d been sexually assaulted on the car by a stranger who had just exited near John St. The victim went to chase after her assailant and his union says Oroc didn’t want her to go alone.

The 10-year veteran called transit control to contact police, put his flashers on and followed in pursuit, worried that the woman may come to some harm. Oroc, a marathon racer, got as far as Richmond and Peter Sts. before losing sight of the suspect.

Good on him, right?

Not according to his employer. The rules say that operators are not to leave their seats, let alone their vehicles, unless someone is in imminent physical danger.
“He’s been relieved of duty,” said TTC spokesman Brad Ross. “On the face of what we know today, the proper procedures and protocols were not followed and we have to make sure they are.”

Transit union president Bob Kinnear is astounded that the TTC would rather quote the rule book than commend a driver who went above and beyond his duty to help a customer in distress.
“Is this their idea of better service — to sit in our seats while passengers are criminally attacked?” demanded Kinnear, head of Amalgamated Transit Union Local 113. “They have a policy and it’s cut and dry, black and white, for them.”

Oroc, he said, was trying to ensure his passenger wasn’t harmed. “I’m quite proud of this operator,” he added. “He should be commended for what he’s done and not penalized and fired.”
Kinnear said the company’s action is especially discouraging at a time when the transit system is trying to foster a new attitude after years of customer complaints. “It’s frustrating for us because I encourage our members to help out our passengers. We’re the eyes and ears of the city. We’re the keepers of the city.”

This punitive treatment of Oroc will only set that all back.
“I can guarantee when we discuss this at the Sunday meeting, hundreds of operators are going to tell me, ‘We’re not going to do nothing, we’re not going to get out of our seats.’”
TTC chairman Karen Stintz didn’t return a call for comment.

Quite mindful of the bad optics, especially on a day the TTC just unveiled their new streetcars, the TTC spokesman took great pains to insist that Oroc hasn’t actually been fired — yet. Relieved of his duties, the driver must appear before a disciplinary hearing where the various penalties — from reprimand to dismissal — will be considered depending on his record and the circumstances of the incident.

“Operators are not to get involved physically with any customers, that’s the job of the police,” explained Ross. “To chase somebody down the street is what the police are for.”
By the strict letter of their policy, that of course is true. But should Oroc really have just remained at his post and let a distraught victim out alone on the street with her abuser without ensuring her safety?

You certainly don’t want TTC vigilantes, stopping buses and streetcars and subways to chase down every possible criminal that may cross their path. But we also shouldn’t penalize transit employees who indulge in the very human response of wanting to help their fellow citizen. What kind of message does that send?

A message of drive on by.
And who can blame them? Knowing they can be terminated for going the extra mile for their passengers, we can likely count on the same, old surly attitude we’ve come to know.
 
“Operators are not to get involved physically with any customers, that’s the job of the police,” explained Ross. “To chase somebody down the street is what the police are for.”
By the strict letter of their policy, that of course is true. But should Oroc really have just remained at his post and let a distraught victim out alone on the street with her abuser without ensuring her safety?

Ross is an idiot and if it was his wife his mother I wonder if he'd hope some TTC driver would get involved!

Perhaps the problem at the TTC really is upper management!


 
''But should Oroc really have just remained at his post and let a distraught victim out alone on the street with her abuser without ensuring her safety?''

Exactly there are times when exceptions have to be made and this is one of those times.

Mr.Oroc needs the support of his community at this time and hopefully he gets it and tetains his job as well.

This would be a good time for the victim advocacy and woman's groups to step forward and let their voice be heard.
 
The TTC should be shameful. I wonder what our Mayor has to say to this.
 
Analme;332499[COLOR=#333333 said:

Ross is an idiot and if it was his wife his mother I wonder if he'd hope some TTC driver would get involved!




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Touche.
 
I would have done the same thing. Another job one can find, living with my conscience I cannot.
 
BEER said:
The TTC should be shameful. I wonder what our Mayor has to say to this.

a lot of things happen on the Rocket lines including this
 
We now have more.

1) the police say the woman was crying wolf- there was no sexual assault and the guy panicked and ran. He had innocently brushed up against her and she went nuts.

2) He has retained his job and no money loss came out of the hearings I heard on the radio today. I'm betting because of public pressure and even though she cried wolf, they are now saying he acted in good faith.

Cased closed!
 
BEER said:
. I wonder what our Mayor has to say to this.

Probably nothing as hes too busy coaching or dealing with his road rage issues. Watch out for the middle finger!
 
Guido said:
We now have more.

1) the police say the woman was crying wolf- there was no sexual assault and the guy panicked and ran. He had innocently brushed up against her and she went nuts.

Can we then charge her for lying?

I know we can't but we should. This way similar situations don't happen again.





Bitch.
 
Leo said:
I would have done the same thing. Another job one can find, living with my conscience I cannot.

Exactly!

Nice avatar! You're welcome!:biggrin2:
 
peace said:
Probably nothing as hes too busy coaching or dealing with his road rage issues. Watch out for the middle finger!

Mayor Lardy McFatass was in court today in his defamation trial.
 
Guido said:
We now have more.

1) the police say the woman was crying wolf- there was no sexual assault and the guy panicked and ran. He had innocently brushed up against her and she went nuts.

2) He has retained his job and no money loss came out of the hearings I heard on the radio today. I'm betting because of public pressure and even though she cried wolf, they are now saying he acted in good faith.

Cased closed!

I think the most she could be charged with is public disturbance.

He certainly acted in good faith. In fact, his action was brave. He did the right thing trying to help.
 
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