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Escort: MacKay’s prostitution bill ‘will kill people’

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When Caroline Newcastle first posted a photo of herself on an escort website four years ago, she wore a green dress.
Then 23 years old and studying for an undergraduate degree in Quebec City, she was nervous. She had never traded sex for money, and the encounter wasn’t exactly what she was hoping for.

Caroline, who uses a pseudonym, was half naked within five minutes. The sex lasted the full hour she had negotiated. She felt it was too formal, too black and white. But it was work, she figured, and once she counted her money, she decided it wasn’t so bad.
Caroline’s second experience, a two-hour visit with a client, was better.

“We talked for an hour, had a glass of wine, he was really nice and well educated and we really got along well — and the sexual experience was much better,” she said.
Now 27, the well-spoken, educated girl-next-door-looking Caroline is pursuing a PhD at an Ottawa university — and earning a living in the sex industry.

But she worries about her safety and the safety of her friends if Canada’s new prostitution law passes.

“It’s devastating,” she says.
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Caroline is young, but sophisticated. She speaks well, describing how sex work is like any other type of work — undesirable working conditions in the escort business are similar to poor labour standards elsewhere, she says. The only difference is that sex workers are denied the right to complain.

She has agreed to meet me at a local coffee shop, but prefers I don’t say where. She is wearing 60s style cat eyed glasses, a loose leopard-print grey sweater, jeans and Converse shoes. She seems down-to-earth yet well-groomed – no makeup, manicured nails and a dangling crystal on her neck.

After her second sexual encounter, she tells me, her career “just flowed.”
She started up a website that catered to men longing for “the girlfriend experience,” and built up a loyal clientele of men, women, couples and the disabled. She sees up to eight clients a week and makes enough money to live comfortably in one apartment, finance another for encounters with clients, and put herself through school.

Hourly rates for escorts in Ottawa go between $200 and $600.

“I don’t anticipate stopping,” she says. “I’m in for the long haul.”
Even if the federal government’s new prostitution legislation, which criminalizes clients and prostitutes, passes, she says she’ll “just adapt.”
It won’t be easy, though, because she knows what’s at stake.

In addition to her studies and two jobs, she also works as a researcher on campus — Caroline advocates on behalf of Ottawa’s sex workers. Calling herself an “activist for sex workers’ human rights,” she volunteers for Power, a group that seeks protection and recognition of sex workers through decriminalization.

When the Supreme Court struck down Canada’s prostitution laws in December because they endangered prostitutes, Caroline was gleeful — and she felt safer. On Wednesday, when Justice Minister Peter MacKay tabled his bill — which could make it illegal for her to have a website, share a residence with other escorts where they take clients, and screen her customers — she was “heartbroken.”

During a news conference Wednesday, MacKay made clear that this is both a moral and legal issue for him, calling prostitution “degrading” and johns “perverts.”
“Minister MacKay in his press conference yesterday said no one chooses to do this, it is inherently degrading, inherently violent,” said Caroline. “The laws make it violent and this speech was degrading. The most degrading thing that happened to me yesterday was hearing his speech. It was awful hearing him speak about something he knew nothing about.”

Under the law, she could also be arrested if she is seen communicating for the purposes of sex near minors — a provision critics say encompasses every public place, forcing sex workers further into the shadows.
“The reality is this legislation will kill people, as the former legislation did before.”

Caroline has never had a bad experience with her clients. As an indoor escort, she arranges sex by phone or online and has sex indoors (her second apartment, a hotel or her client’s place, usually). Her screening rules are unbreakable: people must give their real name — first and last — their place of work, sometimes their home address, and they must be willing to talk to her over the phone before they meet.

Once she has that in place, she checks a “bad date list” circulated by safe sex work groups, takes her cell phone to all jobs and prefers repeat clients she trusts.

She’s never had a real problem. But if Bill C-36 passes, her work could get much more dangerous.

“No one’s going to want to give me that information,” she said.
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Caroline admits she’s lucky. She knows those most at risk of violence and arrest are the poor, homeless, mentally troubled, drug addicted street workers who work when Ottawa sleeps.

Street workers also have unbreakable rules — make sure there are door handles inside the car to avoid being locked in, memorize a license plate, remember a face. But with johns or clients fearing arrest, Caroline says street workers will have only seconds to screen men looking for sex, and will be more likely to get in a car with anyone in the event demand drops as a result of the law.

“They’ll need to screen that much faster,” she said.
Ottawa’s street workers agree. Power brought several of them together at a Sandy Hill clinic in March to answer a government survey about prostitution. One anonymous worker told the group that a constant police presence often leads to danger.

“If we see cops around, that means we have to refuse dates until they leave or have to go hide,” the woman said. “We have to wait out in the cold. The longer you are out there, the more chances you have to run into a psycho.”

Another sex worker said criminalizing clients will lead street workers to “resort to stealing or other crime.”
Another forecasted an even more sinister future.

“What we do is important,” the woman said. “If we can’t do it, there will be more rape and more violence in families and on the street.”
According to Statistics Canada, 156 prostitutes have been murdered since 1991. Recent figures on other prostitution-related crimes such as battery and rape are less readily available, but Simon Fraser University professor and prostitution expert John Lowman said the evidence of crimes against prostitutes is “overwhelming.”

Sex workers, either street or indoor, also fear the new laws will make them more vulnerable to police – even when they are not trying to arrange sex in public.
In January, police from across Canada conducted sweeps of hotels, motels and massage parlors as part of “Operation Northern Spotlight” in an effort to free those who have been trafficked into the sex trade.

They also visited, undercover, an indoor escort who later complained to the police and got few apologies. A police officer posing as “john,” a client, came to her door in plain clothes. In the elevator, he told her he was a police officer and three of his colleagues would be joining them.

All five entered her apartment and searched her home. They resisted giving their names, and refused to leave even though the woman, who goes by “Quinn,” told them she was safe and did this work willingly.

When she tried to stop one of the officers from opening a closet, he told her not to touch him — that it could be assault.

“When they asked why I was so upset, I told them that as a woman, as a woman who has experienced sexual assault, and as someone who was not fully clothed or expecting police officers, that I was feeling harassed and intimidated,” Quinn told Power. “One of the officers laughed.”

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Caroline didn’t grow up dreaming to become an escort.

Nearly four years into the business, she says she has good and bad days, but that she’s something close to happy.
She feels offended that the federal government wants to abolish prostitution, which is a “job like any other.”
“I pay my taxes,” she says.

She enjoys her clients, who “love their families” and are usually more interested in intimacy than sex.
Most of her family, close friends and colleagues at university know what she does, and she is proud of it. And while she’s expecting her life to change under the new law, she’s not giving up on her job or her advocacy.

“It’s not the end but it’s not the beginning, and the fight will continue.”
Plus, she says, she can’t really think of a better alternative right now.

“Like a really shitty job at Chapters?”

https://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/06/06/escort-mackays-prostitution-bill-will-kill-people/
 
Maybe if Peter Mackay would listen to the beautiful ladies instead of that dried up man hating Joy Smirth he might actually learn more about the industry.
 
You have to like this quote.

“It’s not the end but it’s not the beginning, and the fight will continue.”
 
The way I see it...

Until the people who write the laws see that there is Differences between Prostitution and those who
enslave children and young ladies and men for sex ....they will not answer....

Sex is not an easy thing to talk about even in today society....These people can not see the difference because they think everybody is forced into the sex trade industry ...So instead of listening to the Ladies and Men who work in the Industry for the Money....they draw the attention to the ones who are actually not part of the Prostitution Industry but the Criminal Part of Enslavement of Children, Females and Males into Sex

You can compare this to the people who sew our clothes....Child Labour...Force Labour.....in third world countries...or even the people who enter Canada and USA for work illegally ...they are force into working for nothing treated like they are no one.....

Now do we look at the whole society that wear the clothing or the Scoiety who pays for work done by people who enter Canada and USA as we are all criminals....because we are if we use their logic....( I am not sure I am explaining that you may understand)

In all Parts of Industries ...there are Criminal Elements....why can we separate those in the Industry but Not the Prostitution Industry....
 
Their data is all skewed. When Joy radical Smith spouts off sps start at 13 this is total nonsense. The ladies may have had their first non commercial sexual experience which many have had playing doctor. I was 14 when I played gynecologist and look back on my first sexual experiecewith pride.

These idiots cannot understand some have bigger sex drives and why not turn that into $$$$.

Agencies,ladies and a few well spoken clients should start making the radio talk show circuit via 1010 and 640. We need to show the public we are everyday people and arent hurting anyone. People need to see the respect shown between sex worker and client to debunk this ridiculous myth being spun by our facist government and abolishinist around the world.
 
How many Mackay threads can we read before we say WTF this is getting boring.

Maybe you find it boring...your choice to read or not.....
If it was something you found that effects you ...then I am sure there would be No End to How Much IS Written...

As I would say......Go have fun in another thread...or be naughty...or go Look At Some Very Beautiful Pics:biggrin2:
 
There have been some good articles out there, like this one. They all have value, imo. In addition, many of the ones posted allow comments. If you don't have your own story published, that is the time to present your own points. If you don't or can't be bothered, then where are those people going to learn about what sex work is really like? The media and the abolitionists who almost always get their quotes in last.


Here is a new petition:

Justice Minister Peter MacKay: Produce new legislation legalizing prostitution and related activities


https://www.change.org/petitions/ju...egalizing-prostitution-and-related-activities
 
I do agree most of the public like me before getting to know some of the folks here have a totally different view of the goings on. Two years ago I would have totally been on board with this new law but knowing what I know now, I do see many women do this by choice. I am also impressed by the respect many of the "johns" show the ladies for hire. I do believe if it is consensual it is not the government's business. I can also see the allure of the hobby if one is lacking intimacy at home.
 
I do agree most of the public like me before getting to know some of the folks here have a totally different view of the goings on. Two years ago I would have totally been on board with this new law but knowing what I know now, I do see many women do this by choice. I am also impressed by the respect many of the "johns" show the ladies for hire. I do believe if it is consensual it is not the government's business. I can also see the allure of the hobby if one is lacking intimacy at home.

And the longer you've been married, the less judgmental you'll be :biggrin2:
 
How many Mackay threads can we read before we say WTF this is getting boring.

If you are not worried about your rights, if you are okay with Mr. Mackay's statements and if you are not worried about your society's future, then you are right, it's boring. But there is always a choice of not reading the threads that one finds boring; it's that simple. There are plenty of other threads if you need to be entertained.
 
Mr. Mackay's statements are full of stigma--- I thought this kind of thoughts belonged to the dark ages...there were once that there were the same inferiority thoughts about LGBT, people with fit, etc, you name it. The terms that he uses to shove his dogmatic religious beliefs down the throat of people tells me how narrow minded a human being can be, regardless of their post and education level...
 
Mr. Mackay's statements are full of stigma--- I thought this kind of thoughts belonged to the dark ages...there were once that there were the same inferiority thoughts about LGBT, people with fit, etc, you name it.

I'm sure he feels the same about them, he just wouldn't have the balls to say so in 2014.
 
Hi I am Angie, I have been a member since 2011, never really participated. I do not see with all the pressure this law going through. About me. I am in school taking sociology and psychology (LOVE IT). I just finished working on a project for school around this new "so called bill" I call it a fucked up dumb ass bill myself. I spent 2 weeks making phone calls and researching. My classmates and another class no I was an escort until recently my family knows I escorted. (still do just do not advertise anymore as I am very part time.)

If you do your research you will find many including religious groups that are against the bill, however all the pressure on the government is why it will not go through. The bottom line here is this is a job treat as such, what needs to be done is more SP's and pooners need to speak out in public, do not be afraid of what others think of you educate them and they will or will not see what you mean that it we are just people we could be your teacher or doctor for Christ sake and do this on the side because we enjoy. We are normal everyday people. The government and others are name calling telling us what to do, telling us we do not want to do this we are all doing because we have no choice. Until people know what it is about for SP's and know why pooners see us and we all know it is not just about sex then we will not have others on our side. The $20000 Peter MacKay has on the side I call BS it is not written in the bill it is all about being elected again and politics, promises that we know the government never keeps.
Legalize our jobs do not go after the SP's or the pooners. Go after the pimps and those who traffick the traffickers are not just men they are women too. Nova Scotia has a few cases recent and actually a good system going there to get traffickers and pimps survival sex workers we need to get them out and help housing, help for addictions that is what the government should be working on! So I signed back in hear after 3 years just to put my 5cents in. Happy Canada Day! and do not for get you are Canadian you have the right to choose.
 
Hi I am Angie, I have been a member since 2011, never really participated. I do not see with all the pressure this law going through. About me. I am in school taking sociology and psychology (LOVE IT). I just finished working on a project for school around this new "so called bill" I call it a fucked up dumb ass bill myself. I spent 2 weeks making phone calls and researching. My classmates and another class no I was an escort until recently my family knows I escorted. (still do just do not advertise anymore as I am very part time.)

If you do your research you will find many including religious groups that are against the bill, however all the pressure on the government is why it will not go through. The bottom line here is this is a job treat as such, what needs to be done is more SP's and pooners need to speak out in public, do not be afraid of what others think of you educate them and they will or will not see what you mean that it we are just people we could be your teacher or doctor for Christ sake and do this on the side because we enjoy. We are normal everyday people. The government and others are name calling telling us what to do, telling us we do not want to do this we are all doing because we have no choice. Until people know what it is about for SP's and know why pooners see us and we all know it is not just about sex then we will not have others on our side. The $20000 Peter MacKay has on the side I call BS it is not written in the bill it is all about being elected again and politics, promises that we know the government never keeps.
Legalize our jobs do not go after the SP's or the pooners. Go after the pimps and those who traffick the traffickers are not just men they are women too. Nova Scotia has a few cases recent and actually a good system going there to get traffickers and pimps survival sex workers we need to get them out and help housing, help for addictions that is what the government should be working on! So I signed back in hear after 3 years just to put my 5cents in. Happy Canada Day! and do not for get you are Canadian you have the right to choose.


I hope you're right Angie but I think the Conservatives are hell bent on killing the demand by coming after the clients.
 
It irritates and annoys me to no end how some feel they have the right to tell us what to do with our bodies! I find the politicians more intrusive and dangerous than any pimp because at least I could kick the pimp where it hurts but we are helpless at the whims of self righteous politicians!
 
I find the politicians more intrusive and dangerous than any pimp because at least I could kick the pimp where it hurts but we are helpless at the whims of self righteous politicians!
Well said :good:
 
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