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Toronto newspaper says it will defy ad ban in new prostitution bill

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OTTAWA -- A ban on advertising sexual services takes effect Saturday as part of the federal government's new prostitution laws -- but at least one of Canada's leading independent newspapers says it plans to defy it.

The prohibition is one of several sweeping new changes to the way prostitution is now regulated in Canada in the wake of a Supreme Court decision last year that found the old laws violated the rights of prostitutes.


But Toronto's Now Magazine, which has long published ads promoting sexual services in the back pages of its weekly tabloid, has no plans to stop, said Alice Klein, the alternative newspaper's editor and chief executive officer


"Now Magazine started taking sex ads because we take ads, that's how we support ourselves and we have always refused to discriminate against sex work and sex workers," she said in an interview.

"We are committed to free expression and we don't believe it's our right to say which advertisers are allowed to advertise and which advertisers aren't."

The Supreme Court struck down Canada's old prostitution laws last year, ruling they deprived sex workers of the right to a safe and secure environment.

In response, the government introduced Bill C-36, which upended prostitution legislation in Canada by criminalizing the purchase of sex -- but not its sale.

Through the law, the government is also cracking down on all those who profit from the sale of sex.
"We will hold those who are advertising -- not the prostitute themselves, but those who are advertising these services either through papers or online -- also to criminal account," Justice Minister Peter MacKay said last July.

Klein said Now has sought advice from one of the lawyers behind the Supreme Court challenge.
"This is another area of the law which just makes the lives of sex workers really difficult and of course attacks their ability to earn a living," she said.

"But the law does say that sex workers themselves are allowed to advertise, and our legal advisers understand that to include the publication of their ads in our publication."

In Vancouver, sex workers are already reporting that some online advertising services are refusing to take ads for explicit sexual services, said Kerry Porth, a board member of Pivot Legal Aid Society in Vancouver and a former prostitute.
"It makes it harder to work indoors if you can't actually advertise where you are and what you're doing," she said.

Not everyone is opposed to the ban.
"We support the section of the bill that criminalizes advertising of sexual services because of the role that advertising plays in normalizing and entrenching racist and sexist stereotypes," Suzanne Jay of the group Asian Women Coalition Ending Prostitution told a House of Commons committee.

In the course of its studies of the bill, the House of Commons and Senate heard a wide-ranging variety of opinions and perspectives from more than 100 witnesses.

Their testimony exposed a divide between those who see prostitutes as victims and others who consider prostitution a career choice.
Though the government considers prostitution a crime against women that must be eradicated, they seem sensitive to the distinction.

The bill was accompanied by $20 million in funding over five years for exit strategies, a measure that was supposed to be emphasized on the bill came into force.

But when the government realized that day was Dec. 6, which happened to be the National Day for Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women, they quietly announced the funding a few days earlier.
Some say it's entirely appropriate for the bill to come into force on Saturday.

"I think it's tremendous it becomes law on Dec. 6," said Megan Walker, the executive director of the London Abused Women's Centre, which works with prostitutes among other women.
"We believe that prostitution is men's violence against women so we're happy to see this action that's been taken."
Walker was among the dozens of witnesses who told the government the $20 million wasn't enough, though she said her agency sill hopes to get some of the funding to hire an additional staff worker.

"Even if the government had announced $50 million across the country or whatever amount they determined, likely people would complain, including us, its not enough," she said.
The only way to solve prostitution is to address what leads to it, said Kate Gibson, the executive director of the Wish Drop-in Centre Society in Vancouver, which works with survival sex workers.

Divided evenly amongst the provinces and then amongst sex workers themselves, $20 million would amount to $47.02 a year per sex worker, Gibson said -- a paltry sum.

"They think they are going to end something that is rooted in economics and historical trauma," she said of the government's efforts.
"They don't want to address any of that."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toron...efy-ad-ban-in-new-prostitution-bill-1.2135855

 
Noticed how agencies are now changing wordings about services?.
 
Imagine if this turned out to be just politicians pulling your legs and nothing comes out of it. All can play again without being paranoid.

Owners of adult sites, do you regret spending thousands of dollars on changing to cc? :na:
 
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Noticed how agencies are now changing wordings about services?.

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Defying the law is the right way to go. Politicians can make laws, police can enforce them, but Judges rule on law, and most Judges hobby, more so than most; they make a ton of money, and only work a few hours a week. Wouldn't you, under those circumstances?

Remember that the court ruled in favour of The Industry previously, that's why the old law was struck down. If a Judge is obliged to convict someone, because the accused's defense team didn't do a good enough job, the Judge would still have the option of finding the defendant guilty, and fining him 50 cents, or sentence him to two minutes of community service. I'd take that pinch.

If any of our guys got jammed up, the smart thing to do would be to hire some private detectives to follow some of those politicians in their off hours. Before too much time would pass, one of them would buy some tail, and a guy in a car would have pictures of him going in, and coming out, (of the Incall, you perverts), and then that politician would become a friend of ours, in the La Cosa Nostra sense, just like Senator Geary in The Godfather Part II.

If those guys were so pure of heart that they could resist the temptations they seek to deny to others, they could be formidable, but they're not. Guys who are like that don't go into politics.
 
bobistheowl said:
Defying the law is the right way to go. Politicians can make laws, police can enforce them, but Judges rule on law, and most Judges hobby, more so than most; they make a ton of money, and only work a few hours a week. Wouldn't you, under those circumstances?

Remember that the court ruled in favour of The Industry previously, that's why the old law was struck down. If a Judge is obliged to convict someone, because the accused's defense team didn't do a good enough job, the Judge would still have the option of finding the defendant guilty, and fining him 50 cents, or sentence him to two minutes of community service. I'd take that pinch.

If any of our guys got jammed up, the smart thing to do would be to hire some private detectives to follow some of those politicians in their off hours. Before too much time would pass, one of them would buy some tail, and a guy in a car would have pictures of him going in, and coming out, (of the Incall, you perverts), and then that politician would become a friend of ours, in the La Cosa Nostra sense, just like Senator Geary in The Godfather Part II.

If those guys were so pure of heart that they could resist the temptations they seek to deny to others, they could be formidable, but they're not. Guys who are like that don't go into politics.

Without the ladies or man's testimony against the official you would have nothing.................However you might find that having a public official stalked is not a great plan.
 
papasmerf said:
Without the ladies or man's testimony against the official you would have nothing.................However you might find that having a public official stalked is not a great plan.

You don't get it. You're not trying to arrest the politician. You want to have the dirt on him to hold over his head, so he'll have to do your bidding, or be publicly outed. If that happens, he'll never have any further influence, and he'll have to answer to his wife. Then he's of no further value, as an asset.

I think you'll be the tribe member sitting out this reward challenge, papasmerf. I'll take Esco! with me, and maybe have bolt.upright drive. Maybe Ms. Fem can take the photos. We could use one other guy to do food and beverage runs, and to empty the urine bottles, but I'd still go with someone else. No offense.
 
bobistheowl said:
You don't get it. You're not trying to arrest the politician. You want to have the dirt on him to hold over his head, so he'll have to do your bidding, or be publicly outed. If that happens, he'll never have any further influence, and he'll have to answer to his wife. Then he's of no further value, as an asset.

I think you'll be the tribe member sitting out this reward challenge, papasmerf.

You don't get it.

It is not all about you.
 
I wonder what Ms. Bedford decided to do regarding publicizing names?
 
papasmerf said:
You don't get it.

It is not all about you.

OK, fine you can empty the urine bottles, and do the fast food runs. I thought MadMan would have more experience, but if you want to tag along, you're in, but you'll have to sit in the back seat.
 
bobistheowl said:
OK, fine you can empty the urine bottles, and do the fast food runs. I thought MadMan would have more experience, but if you want to tag along, you're in, but you'll have to sit in the back seat.

No Bob

I will not get into your argument.
I will say this I play the Bacon loving Blue Gnome because it is good to not be serious all the time.
 
papasmerf said:
No Bob

I will not get into your argument.
I will say this I play the Bacon loving Blue Gnome because it is good to not be serious all the time.

Martin Short's character of Ed Grimley provided comic relief on SCTV, Saturday Night Live, and guest spots on many other shows. Had Short, in the Ed character, been cast as Nick in The Deer Hunter, as the Master of Ceremonies in Cabaret, As the boot camp drill sergeant in Full Metal Jacket, as LeRoy in Fame, as Tevye in A Fiddler on the Roof, as Jonathan E in Rollerball, as Mickey Knox in Natural Born Killers, as Joe Buck in Midnight Cowboy, as Professor Kingsfield in The Paper Chase, as Ben Richards in The Running Man, as Taylor in Planet of the Apes, (1968), as Death in The Seventh Seal, as Roy Batty in Blade Runner, as Rhett Butler in Gone With the Wind, as Man with No Name in A Fistful of Dollars, or as Ethan Hunt in Mission: Impossible, he would have been a poor fit, and those particular productions would have suffered, by his inclusion.

Blind Master Po does not expect the novice monk to snatch the pebble from his hand during the initial weeks of training. I understand your reluctance to accept the saddle and bit.

In my opinion, you should not address me with the phrase "It's not all about you", so soon after this 500 pixel high image:

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appeared four times on the first three pages of TV Trivia, twice posted by yourself. Glass Houses...

My posts are easy to avoid. Sometimes you have to scroll down an entire page to get past them, but they tend to appear in clumps, and entire threads are devoid of them. You're on every page of every thread, whether or not you needed to be there.

It's never been about what you do, papasmerf, only where you do it. You ought to apply read only attributes to certain topics where frivolity is a distraction, rather than a catalyst. I always welcome your opinions, when you have something to add to a serious discussion. I'd like to read more of them. I wish more of them would pick a pro or con direction, rather than waffling in the middle. I wish that you were more interested in showing us what's in your mind, and less in the number of turn-style clicks.

At other times, I enjoy a bite of pork. A little pork here and there never hurt anyone, but it is not the only sustenance upon which one might hope to dine, for all periods of ingestion.
 
Still clueless after all this time, huh Bob?

If you were one quarter as smart as you think you are, you might actually be funny or interesting. But, alas, you're not. And not. And not.

Putting you on ignore unfortunately doesn't stop your posts from being quoted :sorry2:
 
The government’s controversial new prostitution bill came into force Saturday and was roundly criticized by sex workers’ advocacy groups.
“December 6th will be especially sad for sex workers this year,” Emily Symons, the chair of POWER (Prostitutes of Ottawa-Gatineau Work Educate & Resist), said in a statement.

“The deeply flawed and misleadingly-named Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act not only reintroduces laws deemed unconstitutional in a unanimous decision by the Supreme Court only one year ago – it actually makes them worse,” Symons said.
She claims the new measures will “absolutely put sex workers in Canada at greater risk of violence, and that is totally unacceptable.”

Kerry Porth, chairwoman of Vancouver's Pivot Legal Society, said the bill will "have the effect of increasing sex workers’ vulnerability to violence and other forms of abuse."

Justice Minister Peter MacKay was behind the new legislation, Bill C-36, that was passed in the House of Commons in October.
By allowing prostitutes to sell sexual services without fear of criminalization, the law won't prevent them from implementing safety measures such as bodyguards, MacKay said at the time.

"The objective is to (lower) the demand and make prostitution illegal," MacKay said.
He said Bill C-36 represents a "paradigm shift" in Canada because it deals with sex workers as victims who need help, rather than criminals who deserve punishment.

Civic politicians and advocacy groups in at least one province intend to fight the new law.
Two dozen Toronto city councillors and 60 organizations are asking the Ontario Liberal government to refer C-36 to the Ontario Court of Appeal for a decision on whether or not the legislation is constitutional.

Agencies -- such as the John Howard Society and the Canadian AIDS Society -- want the law to be repealed and the full decriminalization of sex work in Canada.

"Bill C-36 views all sex workers as victims of violence rather than understanding that it is criminalization, isolation and denial of rights and freedoms that breed violence and exploitation against sex workers," the agencies wrote in a joint statement.

https://www.torontosun.com/2014/12/06/sex-workers-groups-decry-new-prostitution-bill
 
oldguyzer said:
Still clueless after all this time, huh Bob?

If you were one quarter as smart as you think you are, you might actually be funny or interesting. But, alas, you're not. And not. And not.

Putting you on ignore unfortunately doesn't stop your posts from being quoted :sorry2:
 
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