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sorry can you explain this further with all due respect.
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sorry can you explain this further with all due respect.
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TmI would appreciate a further explanation. I’ve been around for years and i have watched Jillian destroy people‘s lives. This whole new generation of working girls do not have the slightest clue as to what this woman has done to people 10 years ago or even more.
She bases her social circle of friends out of the new people she hires. Manipulates and traps girls there with a wide assortment of strategies such as social obligations Extreme pressure to do things that they didn’t want to do and the constant underline threat that she can ruin peoples lives. I wish there was like a diary that was entered where all these new generation girls can read and understand what Jillian has always been about. On the surface she doesn’t look anything liked the that woman that would do these things. My what a dark closet full of a horrible history.
So pardon me for asking you to explain yourself when you say she has lasting power and we should give her the benefit of the doubt. Clearly The Oracle is not aware. I took an ex Cupid to the Caribbean for a week. She was greatness i might add. But boy that i get a lot of horrible information. Every ex Cupid I’ve ever spoken to always tell a similar story.
She bases her social circle of friends out of the new people she hires. Manipulates and traps girls there with a wide assortment of strategies such as social obligations Extreme pressure to do things that they didn’t want to do and the constant underline threat that she can ruin peoples lives. I wish there was like a diary that was entered where all these new generation girls can read and understand what Jillian has always been about. On the surface she doesn’t look anything liked the that woman that would do these things. My what a dark closet full of a horrible history.
So pardon me for asking you to explain yourself when you say she has lasting power and we should give her the benefit of the doubt. Clearly The Oracle is not aware. I took an ex Cupid to the Caribbean for a week. She was greatness i might add. But boy that i get a lot of horrible information. Every ex Cupid I’ve ever spoken to always tell a similar story.
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The Oracle
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Meaning she has been in business for a very long time. I would assume that carries a level of responsibility that goes along with her decisions. Everyone is speculating.
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You'd be wrong. The Hell's Angels, KKK, Black Panthers, Italian Mafia, and American Democratic Party have also been in business for a very long time. They also each make very questionable, if not downright irresponsible decisions in the eyes of the law and the general public. See how that works?
I would say that you stating that online posters are just speculating is no different than Jillian herself just speculating when one of her employees calls her and alleges impropriety of a john. Since Jillian isn't actually there to witness anything first hand, any action she takes is still just based on personal speculation and second hand information.
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Im in no way defending either party involved , Jillian has been around for some time and we don’t know all details as Jillian has remained silent on the matter. If I ran a coffee shop and a customer stole my danish because he thought my waitress wanted him to he would be full of it and I might get pissed off and do something sporadic and then retrace my steps and think better of the whole situation. Just maybe this is what Jillian did. I will say this though she has gained supporters from workers who have also been taken advantage of before.
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I have to side with The Oracle. If someone has any proof to present please do so. Jillian has been a backbone in this business and her good vs bad dealings with people have been 20,000,000,000 to 1. If you don’t want to be that number 1 in the ratio then play nice and don’t put her girls at risk.
I posted a response earlier in this post but it just keeps poping.
I want to make a few points for everyone on this topic that people appear to be overlooking.
I want to state first that I have never met Jillian nor would I likely go out of my way to meet her. I have used Cupid`s before and I will continue use them until someone shows me why I should not.
First lets understand Jillian is not the first person to out a client on the internet for grossly inappropriate behavior.
Lets also not forget to understand just how violent some sides of this industry could get. I think outing is definitely the lessor punishment.
Now for the smart asses that think this behavior by the client is OK or minor.
Well some would say this is a game afoot that some guys play and then even brag about the accomplishment. (I have heard this for a fact)
And you wonder why some indy ladies and agency's are asking for screening.
I am not shocked that Jillian has remained quiet on this subject based upon some of the backlash but I for one congratulate her for defending her lady.
If the guy did what he did he got off lucky.
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I want to make a few points for everyone on this topic that people appear to be overlooking.
I want to state first that I have never met Jillian nor would I likely go out of my way to meet her. I have used Cupid`s before and I will continue use them until someone shows me why I should not.
First lets understand Jillian is not the first person to out a client on the internet for grossly inappropriate behavior.
Lets also not forget to understand just how violent some sides of this industry could get. I think outing is definitely the lessor punishment.
Now for the smart asses that think this behavior by the client is OK or minor.
Well some would say this is a game afoot that some guys play and then even brag about the accomplishment. (I have heard this for a fact)
And you wonder why some indy ladies and agency's are asking for screening.
I am not shocked that Jillian has remained quiet on this subject based upon some of the backlash but I for one congratulate her for defending her lady.
If the guy did what he did he got off lucky.
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I might be a bit of an idealist so take my opinions with a healthy dose of salt and feel free to disagree. I recently saw an Indy out a guy on Twitter for stealthing her. She even posted a short video of the aftermath. She posted his face and his number and whatever name he used. I found myself supportting what she did. But at the same time, I wanted her to report the guy to the police. Putting him on Twitter may or may not have any lasting effect on him as these things tend to be forgotten by most people over time, but she is now at risk and has to deal with that.
As for this thing with Cupid's, my opinion is that we just don't know enough about this. We don't even know if we're talking about the same person because Jillian has apparently done this before. And because of this uncertainty, I personally would hesitate to use Cupid's. Discretion is key in this biz. If one of her SPs was assaulted or stealthed, I can only hope that she's done everything in her power to help the girl, and ensure that the guy doesn't get away with it to do it again. I hope she reported the guy to the police and blacklisted him, and reached out behind the scenes to other agencies and Indies to blacklist him. Yes, these actions cannot 100% stop the guy from doing this again, but a not so friendly visit from the police will go a long way. Posting his info publically opens up a whole new Pandora's box. Now the guy is open to keyboard vigilantes who could destroy him. What if there was the smallest chance that he was innocent? Are we judge jury and executioner? Also think of the damage this does to the agency. Yes, there are people who will publically applaud the outing, but their reputation and business isn't on the line, and then you'll have people like me, who are uncomfortable with the situation and will likely pick another agency that doesn't have this associated with them.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not opposed to an agency protecting its SPs. I'm not opposed to Indies protecting themselves and looking out for each other. But public shaming like this opens up a floodgate of bad karma, and I just hope that it's justified.
As for this thing with Cupid's, my opinion is that we just don't know enough about this. We don't even know if we're talking about the same person because Jillian has apparently done this before. And because of this uncertainty, I personally would hesitate to use Cupid's. Discretion is key in this biz. If one of her SPs was assaulted or stealthed, I can only hope that she's done everything in her power to help the girl, and ensure that the guy doesn't get away with it to do it again. I hope she reported the guy to the police and blacklisted him, and reached out behind the scenes to other agencies and Indies to blacklist him. Yes, these actions cannot 100% stop the guy from doing this again, but a not so friendly visit from the police will go a long way. Posting his info publically opens up a whole new Pandora's box. Now the guy is open to keyboard vigilantes who could destroy him. What if there was the smallest chance that he was innocent? Are we judge jury and executioner? Also think of the damage this does to the agency. Yes, there are people who will publically applaud the outing, but their reputation and business isn't on the line, and then you'll have people like me, who are uncomfortable with the situation and will likely pick another agency that doesn't have this associated with them.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not opposed to an agency protecting its SPs. I'm not opposed to Indies protecting themselves and looking out for each other. But public shaming like this opens up a floodgate of bad karma, and I just hope that it's justified.
You make some very valid points-BUT???
In your first paragraph you refer to an Indy girl posting n twitter his pics. What if this girl does report it. He said she said and the ass-wipe walks away but the lady is now exposed as an sp to the police and the public.
What if the Indy lady has a pimp with a very violet side to him?
This is exactly what I am talking about. These guys are playing a very dangerous game that could have some consequences that they might not like.
In your second paragraph you state "we just don't know enough about this."
Yet you have made p your mid to never use Cupid's. Yes discretion is to this business and that is what I am saying people should stop ranting about how ad Cupids or any other Agency is until the facts are on the table.
You speak about these guys being blacklisted yet these actions cant stop 100% of them. If I know the lady is going to post my pics and info on the net I am dam sure not going to phone make an appointment and then rape her.
Don't get me wrong I am not condoning these actions but hey guys take your heads out of your ass and put yourself I their position. What would you do if you were put in hat situation as an sp or as an Agency owner.
I know what I would due and it would not involve posting his picture but it would involve him NEVER doing this again.
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You make very good points too. If Jillian would come and set my mind at ease, I'll keep them on my To Call list if I ever need an outcall.
If I were an agency owner, I would likely not make very much money because I would want a professional bodyguard in my incalls, and my drivers would have to have military training.
If I were an agency owner, I would likely not make very much money because I would want a professional bodyguard in my incalls, and my drivers would have to have military training.
Now that's the attitude!!!!! :biggrin2:
No need for outing if your going to bust a cap in his ass!
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hun.that makes lil sense.just saying.i know of a few situation were she told a girls family or work what she did working as an escort for her. All for what hun ?? Becase a girl miss a appointment and owes her money.she has also acted a fool up in oasis too hun.just saying.not some Mother Nature protector u guys say.She also puts lots n lots of pressure on a girl to come to a Cupid party and do drugs.If the girl don’t come she usually gets fired.Happened to my gf.
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Sorry, I had to edit my post for the 2nd time. I hope enough of you guys read it. I'm kind of afraid if Jillian read my full post, she'd somehow make my life a living hell. I just don't need that extra aggravation, right now in my life.
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Never be afraid. I'll get Guido to watch your back and Peace to wash your back too.
Well if Guido and Peace will protect me, then I'll tell you what happened. Basically Jillian bans me from Cupids in 2008, for posting a bad review of one of her Sp's on the red board. Then in 2016, I figure enough time has passed for me to call Cupids again. Then in august 2016, Bridgitte takes my booking to see a Cupids SP. I thought that after 8 yrs, bygones were bygones. How wrong I was.
Then that same day, Jillian posts a message on the red board, "that sometimes what we like to do at Cupids, is book blacklisted clients for an outcall apt." Then what we do, "is make the blacklisted client wait all night for the Sp to show up." Of course, the Sp never shows up. Once I read that message on the red board, I immediately cancel my booking.
Then the next day, I find that both Jillian and Bridgitte have blocked me from their twitter accts. Before blocking me, I read on Jillian's twitter acct, which has over 13k followers, a post she wrote that said, "some loser blacklisted client from 2008, had the nerve to call cupids and ask for a booking." At Cupids, clients never get 2nd chances."
Unless it was an extreme co-incidence, that "loser" 2008 client had to be me. So in effect, Jillian outed me on twitter, just like she did that other guy that caused all the controversy. Having a good night's sleep to think about all this, " I don't see what more damage Jillian can cause to me, "as the last Cupids SP I saw was in 2008."
IMHO, before Jillian blocked me on twitter, Jillian always takes shots at people she doesn't like. Then Jillian will delete some of these posts. I guess Jillian plays to her 13K twitter followers, that she's some sort of "pussy god" or something?? Meaning that if Jillian or Bridgitte doesn't like you for some reason, then they won't let you use Cupids.
I guess Jillian can get away with her condescending crap, because Cupids does have some excellent sp's on there roster, at least as far as the pics go. Therefore, IMHO, a lot of horny guys will kiss Jillian's and Bridgitte's ass, in order to get through the gatehouse, so the horny guys can see these SP's.
The analogy would be like a client in order to see a top $1000/hr lawyer, would have to get through a couple of rude and condescending secretaries first, before he could see that excellent lawyer.
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Wow that's really petty and unprofessional.
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Sounds like a shitty experience and a Jillian style smear campaign to me Winslow. I have no major plot here as i am pretty balanced and on an even keel. Cupids appears to have an interesting roster but the possibility of being outed is too risky. C36 makes this a real threat for me. I’m not satisfied with any level of reassurance that jillian has ever offered that my information is safe.
Well my trees are there for your protection. I think this applies everywhere, if you challenge a SP/MPA you will inevitably get attacked by some of her admirers. I remember when @thesun defended (thank you) me after a particular woman from this board called me a bully. Many of her admirers attacked him relentlessly. Honestly i was confused when she labelled me as a bully as I try to be as respectful as I can be with everyone on this board. If not, please let me know. Of course, noone cannot make everyone happy.
Meanwhile be safe .....and respectful.
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Maybe if there was a way to protect our privacy from Jillian using it against us. They have a nice roster that I’m afraid to enjoy.It’s not the first time she has blasted info out there on someone and I’m sure it won’t be the llast. I wish she could reassure.
Now a days with the screening type model (photo ID, Linkden, facebook) indy's are insisting on and many many new hobbyists especially on Twitter not knowing any better these outings will start to happen more and more. I for one would never use Cupids or any agency Jillian is associated with.
