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OK bito, are you responsible for this? Some members will be sooooo disappointed....Hmmmmmm In case you are wondering, this isn't imaginary at all!
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Oxford University Press reportedly barred pigs and anything pork-related from children’s book
Tristin Hopper
Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2015

As part of its policy of keeping books amenable to Jewish and Muslim readers—among others—Britain’s Oxford University Press recently asked a children’s author to avoid mentioning anything pig-related.
Specifically, the unnamed U.K. author was asked write out any mention of “pigs plus sausages, or anything else which could be perceived as pork,” according to a Wednesday morning report by BBC Radio host James Naughtie.
Mr. Naughtie’s wife Eleanor Updale is said to be in talks with Oxford University Press to produce an educational book series, although the host did not specifically name her as the author who leaked him the letter.
In a statement to the National Post, Oxford University Press said it did not know which book Mr. Naughtie was referring to, but noted that “we provide this guidance to our UK authors for books that will be used for an international audience.”
An official statement added that “our materials are sold in nearly 200 countries, and as such, and without compromising our commitment in any way, we encourage some authors of educational materials respectfully to consider cultural differences and sensitivities.”
With free speech issues being particularly sensitive in Europe following the Charlie Hebdo shooting, Brits pilloried the venerable publisher on Wednesday, starting with Mr. Naughtie himself, who called the policy “ludicrous.”
Publishing insiders, meanwhile, cautioned that Oxford University Press is merely the product of a global publishing industry tasked with cobbling together a book intended to be read as far afield as Israel and Indonesia.
It is “incorrect to ascribe this to self-censorship — it’s more a case of global market forces at work,” said Lydia Moëd, an agent with the Canadian literary agency The Rights Factory and a veteran of the U.K. children’s publishing industry.
“If there’s a choice between having a pig or, say, a bunny, as a minor character in a particular children’s book, publishers are aware that choosing the pig character will severely limit the book’s potential international market,” she said.
The ultimate result, said Ms. Moëd, is that large publishers end up seeking out books with “as few cultural barriers as possible.”
The phenomenon has raised hackles before.
In 2006, a British academic paper entitled “No Red Buses Please” — a reference to the removal of London’s iconic red omnibuses from children’s books — warned that the U.K. was churning out bland, homogenized children’s literature.
The New York Review of Books similarly noticed the trend in adult fiction, declaring in 2010 that literature was entering the age of the “the Dull New Global Novel.”
“Requests for preferences by publishers is normal … but in my opinion it is a mistake in judgment for any publisher to try to find a common universal standard for all children’s literature,” Bill Swan, president of the Canadian Society of Children’s Authors, Illustrators & Performers.
On Wednesday, Oxford University Press confirmed to the National Post that its “guidelines are intended to ensure that we don’t have to update books for international use.”
While pig imagery is still mostly welcome in Canadian literature, domestic authors do make compromises for foreign readers.
Carolyn Wood, executive director at the Association of Canadian Publishers, noted that Canadian authors will routinely adopt American spelling in order to make their books more acceptable to the lucrative U.S. market.
The process also works in reverse.
One Canadian publisher noted that many European children’s books never make their way onto North American bookshelves because they contain scenes of nudity or sex.
“Month after month, I see absolutely beautiful books and say ‘oh, it’s too bad about that couple copulating up in that cloud’ … that makes it difficult in our market: it’s probably not going to set the world on fire, sales-wise,” said Sheila Barry with Groundwood Books in Toronto.

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I don't read anything that is not paragraphed. Get on with the program, Peace.
 
Why is it allowed here?.

One Canadian publisher noted that many European children’s books never make their way onto North American bookshelves because they contain scenes of nudity or sex.
 
All I can say is
BACON, BACON AND MORE BACON

in fact I am headed out for some Q tonite....Might have me some St. Louis Ribs.
 
papasmerf said:
Hmmmmmm

there is a place in China where they smoke enough Bacon to affect the entire country.

My kind of town

I guess we shouldn't be surprised that bacon is such a controversial topic here on HUBGFE.

Britain’s Oxford University Press is concerned, China is worried ...
 
escapefromstress said:
I guess we shouldn't be surprised that bacon is such a controversial topic here on HUBGFE.

Britain’s Oxford University Press is concerned, China is worried ...

Bacon is the key to world peace.
 
peace said:
Oxford University Press reportedly barred pigs and anything pork-related from children’s book



I hereby denounce my English citizenship. Some things are just too much, and I can't maintain a stiff upper lip over this. At least not without Viagra!


 

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escapefromstress said:
I wonder how piglet feels about the whole issue?

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will let you know

He is visiting next month.

I figure he read the assisted suicide thread and decided to call.
 
papasmerf said:
Both Wilber and Babe were some of my favorite dinner.

Fixed your post to what you were, subtlely, trying to say, but figured some idiots (ahem) out there may not understand.
 
It looks like the usual suspects, on my ignore list, have decided to hijack this thread to kill it, yet again.

@peace: I find bans like that ridiculous. It's the same thing as the people who banned Winnie the Pooh because he's not wearing pants. Why would a stuffed animal need pants?

I'm against all forms of censorship, except censorship of criminal activity: ie: I don't think anyone has a right to publish child pornography, or to promote humans having sex with animals, or graphic depictions of rape, or snuff films, things like that should be censored, because they are obscene.

Unfortunately, the current climate is that all consumable media should not be offensive to anyone who is easily offended, and I laugh at those types of people.

I was born in 1961, so I grew up just after the conformity of the 1950's, and my youth and adolescence was spent in an era of progressive social change. Today's world is very different; people don't seem to want the individuality that so many people before them fought for, to allow them to have. I don't like the idea of society where things that used to be allowed are now forbidden, and most of that is done by individual choice. I still have individual choice, and I chose to not conform to someone else' idea of how I should behave.

That cuts me off from a lot of people, but not from any that matter to me. I'm very happy to have gone to school in an era in which academic achievement mattered more than trying to make everyone equal by lowering standards to the level of the lowest.

I don't think that everyone should be included in everything. I try to write intelligent material on message boards that can be appreciated by other intelligent people. I'm not going to 'dumb myself down', so that people who can't understand what I'm saying won't feel left out. I don't owe them anything. If they were born less intelligent, or chose to not read books, or chose not to challenge themselves intellectually, that fault lies in them, and their parents, and their teachers, but it's not my fault. None of my students are like that, I'm not like that, and I'm not their parents, so their situation has nothing to do with me.

It seems to me that a lot of people here don't even have computers, they just have a telephone, with internet access. Most of those people are much younger than I am, and less educated. Just because we post on the same message board, doesn't mean I would have any reason to socialize with them, in the same way that they would have no reason to socialize with someone my age. When you have a large group of people who are 30ish years old, but still acting like teenagers, I have even less in common with them. Some of them are probably still living with their parents. I was a high school graduate three months after I turned sixteen, and only lived with my parents in the summertime, for two years, after that, so the 'extended childhood' we see so much of today is something to which I can't personally relate.

What I do know, is that people today are not as intelligent as they used to be, because they're not as well educated. The education they receive in school is substandard, compared to in my school years. It's no wonder that so many young people take unpaid intern jobs after leaving school. The schooling they received wasn't sufficient to have someone pay them money in exchange for their skills, because the skills they have aren't marketable. If I'm an employer, I'm not concerned if someone writes a lot of Tweets, and posts a lot of selfies, and can play hacky sack, and has some piercings and tattoos, and gets along with other people. I care if that person can read, follow instructions, do mathematical calculations, write grammatically correct business letters, and get work done properly, with minimal supervision.

People who can do that get paying jobs, whether or not their parents paid for their post secondary education. People who can't pour coffee at a Starbuck's for people who can, but they feel fortunate to have a job. They don't realize that it's a shitty job, that anyone can learn how to do in ten minutes, if that person has an attention span that long.

If someone can't get the job done, I don't care about their self esteem. If they had earned some, instead of having it handed to them, they'd have some real pride in their achievements, if they actually achieved anything, that is.

The new computers are a big cause of that problem. In Windows, the operating systems up to XP were based on the computer being the user's servant. With later versions, the computer is designed to do most of the thinking for the individual, to make things easier for people who don't know what they're doing.

I know what I'm doing on a computer, so I don't want a computer to 'give me guff'. I want to tell it what to do, rather than have it give me helpful suggestions about what it would like me to do, and make it more difficult for me to make it do what I want it to do. Other people don't seem to mind adapting how they think, to suit the computer, or to suit other people. I don't want to be like other people, but I don't mind if they chose to be more like me. No one taught that to me, so I had to learn it on my own. I have more faith in things I learn myself, than in things other people tell me how to do, because then my knowledge is just a subset of theirs. Nothing new and unique is ever created by following someone else' instructions. One needs to think outside of the box, or eliminate the box. I do that every day, and I get along just fine, with the people I want to get along with.
 
bobistheowl said:
It looks like the usual suspects, on my ignore list, have decided to hijack this thread to kill it, yet again.

Not very bright, are you BITI? This wasn't your thread to start with, and peace expected it to get "hijacked". And rather than kill the thread, it's gotten some discussion from regulars.

I know you're still trying to understand that the world of HUBGFE doesn't revolve around you, but isn't it about time you figured some of this out?
 
Cardinal Fang thinks the "pork" ban is moronic beyond anything that could be considered epic proportions.

Cardinal Fang thinks we've all lost our farking minds in pleasing people that are easily offended.

Cardinal Fang wonders what it will take to get on bobistheowl's ignore list in RED BOLDED font.

Cardinal Fang also wonders why more people don't post in third person so that we can elevate the art of douchebaggery beyond the 1%
 
Cardinal Fang said:
Cardinal Fang also wonders why more people don't post in third person so that we can elevate the art of douchebaggery beyond the 1%

This should be a sticky. :LMAO:
 
Cardinal Fang said:
Cardinal Fang thinks we've all lost our farking minds in pleasing people that are easily offended.

Cardinal Fang wonders what it will take to get on bobistheowl's ignore list in RED BOLDED font.

Amen to the first, and for the second, BobIsTheIdiot doesn't really understand what Ignore does, so getting on his list doesn't help you. In any font or colour.

Cardinal Fang said:
Cardinal Fang doesn't believe in "stickys" as it marginalizes the 99% that are assclowns.

You calling BITI an assclown? :blush2:
 
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