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Casual e-mails tell chilling story of market fixes

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LONDON (AP) — The e-mails sound casual: Dude reaching out to dude, begging for favors and offering rewards ranging from coffee to fine champagne.
But what the bankers were allegedly doing was as serious as it gets: fixing an interest rate that affects the cost of half a quadrillion dollars — that's $554 trillion — in financial contracts around the world, from mortgages to loans.

U.S. and British investigators say the employees of Barclays Bank— and possibly those of other major international banks — clearly knew it was wrong to manipulate the London in****ank office rate, known as the LIBOR, which determines the rate at which banks lend to each other and, by extension, the rate at which they lend to consumers and businesses.
The rate is calculated daily by the British Bankers' Association, based on lending rate figures submitted by global banks.

Some of Barclays' staff, however, allegedly succumbed to the temptation to adjust the figures in a bid to boost profits or disguise financial weaknesses.

One trader messaged a colleague about helping to influence the three-month LIBOR.
"As always, any help wd be greatly appreciated," the trader wrote.

"I am going 90 altho 91 is what I should be posting," came the reply.
The trader responded: "When I retire and write a book about this business your name will be written in golden letters."
"I would prefer this not be in any book!" came the answer.

And yet it did appear — not in a book, but in court papers that led to fines totaling $453 million against the bank. U.S. and British officials are considering criminal charges against individuals and British investigators are probing other major banks including Citigroup in the United States, Switzerland's UBS, Britain's HSBC and Royal Bank of Scotland.
The scandal has added fuel to public anger at the banking industry, whose executives face mounting accusations of being overpaid and unethical.

Shares in Barclays plummeted 15.5 percent on Thursday as investors worried about the impact of fines any tighter regulation. The British Bankers Association confessed to being "shocked" at the accusations.


"One of the reasons London is a major international financial center is because of the perceived emphasis on trust and integrity in the London market," said Simon Culhane, chief executive of the Chartered Institute for Securities & Investment. "This scandal can only serve to damage London's reputation."
Treasury chief George Osborne said the messages cited by the Financial Services Authority read like "an epitaph to an age of irresponsibility."

"These contracts may sound exotic, but they are the bread and butter of our financial system and are used by businesses and public authorities every day, and they affect the mortgage payments and loan rates of millions of families and hundreds of thousands of firms, large and small," Osborne said.
To the traders, those rates affect whether they win or lose.

"Duuuude. whats up with ur guys 34.5 3m fix . tell him to get it up!" another trader implored a contact at another bank.

"If it comes in unchanged I'm a dead man," another trader messaged to a colleague, who promised to "have a chat." Barclays' rate duly came in lower, and the trader sent a thank-you note: "Dude. I owe you big time! Come over one day after work and I'm opening a bottle of Bollinger.

https://news.yahoo.com/casual-e-mails-tell-chilling-story-market-fixes-165537584--finance.html
 
This happens all the time. Only problem for the dudes is that they got caught.
 
Royal Bank also got slapped and fined.

Anyone read that one?.

That was the Royal Bank of Scotland but none of this surprises me. All we hear in North America is union bashing when the real problem is with the men and women at the top manipulating markets and artificially inflating prices of products and services that are necessary for everyday living. It's all about taking away from the little people to feed the real pigs at the trough. Every big corporation has these side meeting and discussions on how to line the boys club pockets while taking away from the working class.

The biggest catch in all this is that most governments are involved in this and have their hands in the cookie jar. Many high ranking politicians are promised lucrative positions in these companies in exchange for favourable policies and too turn a blind eye but everyone keeps drinking the kool-aid and is running with "it's all the union's fault we're not competitive malarkey"
 
^^^ what he said....

I bet at some point in the future, when our current system is torn down, we'll find that all those in the top 1% in wealth in the world all did whatever it took to make it there and stay there. I'm actually surprised they actually allowed news of this sort to make it to the public.....

I saw a program recently on Frontline indicating that O'Bama knew all along about the financial crisis on wall street and when he threatened to take those responsible to task, they just pshawed him away.....like POTUS could do anything to THEM.

Also, those government officials who are 100% responsible for the catastrophe are still walking around with billions in their pockets and not one damn thing is being done to them......

The only way any of this will change is when us little people realize that we really do have the power but we have to us it. In other words: stop paying our cc bills, stop paying our bills and pull all our money out of the bank......no bank in the world has enough cash to cover all their deposits. I read once that if 35% of customers started pulling their money out, a bank would have to shut down until they found a way to get more cash......

The thing is, everyone was so afraid of total financial collapse that the US bailed out all these companies......we the people should have said NO FUCKING WAY sometimes you have to tear down the system in order to fix it......

Further to the original story, this is no different than a congressman, or MPP voting on issues that directly affect their portfolio.....they pass laws that will increase their profits/roi's......I forget who did it but some premier/prime minister passed a law on shipping that increased the value of his shipping company 10 fold.....he got away with it and wasn't prosecuted........
 
I watched a stand up comic not long ago who said: this economic crisis doesn't affect me one bit...i was poor before it happened and i'm still poor....I lived in a one room apartment before, and I still live in that same apartment....this crisis doesn't affect those who don't have money to begin with, or those that have billions, it only affects those in the middle......
 
The middle class is being torn apart with unfair taxing policies and gouging from the big companies while their pays are being eroded at the delight of CEO's. The mantra is we need to be competitive.

If I had a dollar for everytime I hear this line I'd be a top 1%er.

If truth be told WE COULD never compete with third world countries unless we want to live in the street and eat bread and drink water only. We have to rely on quality and better service.

I was watching a show last might and they were interviewing the Saudi Sheik. All his public servants were given a 70% raise and the police and emergency service workers much higher. They are also forcing the private sector to raise their wages to avoid public unrest. https://www.emirates247.com/news/re...-raise-wages-for-citizens-2011-12-25-1.434292

If the masses do not have hope of decent paying stable jobs with decent benefits it will fall as the Romans did.
 
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If the masses do not have hope of decent paying stable jobs with decent benefits it will fall as the Romans did."

I'm with you on that......I equate what will happen with our society more to that of the spanish revolution though...people were starving in the streets when marie antoinette said "let them eat cake".....and as i've said, we know where that attitude got her.....
 
I'm with you on that......I equate what will happen with our society more to that of the spanish revolution though...people were starving in the streets when marie antoinette said "let them eat cake".....and as i've said, we know where that attitude got her.....

Dude that has to be the most flagrant misquote of all time.
A) FRENCH REVOLUTION
B) The true meaning of that quote wasn't that Marie was a selfish unfeeling bitch. Reality was that she was so disconnected with what was really going on in society that when she was told that the people had no bread she reflected upon her own life and made that comment. As an Austrian it seemed that at meals if they didn't have bread then they had cake. She was stupid, naive, and spoiled.
 
ok ok, easy there cowboy, FRENCH revolution lol......as for the quote, whether she was unfeeling or stupid, either way the people were starving and taxed to death and they wouldn't take it any longer.....

I might not see it in my lifetime but it's going to happen sooner or later....the people will get fed up with the current situation and do something about it.....
 
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