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Thoughts on these guys? W5 recently did a segment on them.
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Never heard of it but we do have a creepy member here.
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The police siting that public shaming isn't solving anything is beyond hypocritical of them to state, since they've no problem publicly shaming men they catch doing escort stings, and stings that involve adults, btw.
Police can't seem to catch some of these predators. nor do they often take complaints form certain "types" seriously, so someone has to step forward and do their job for them, but that's just my opinion.
Police can't seem to catch some of these predators. nor do they often take complaints form certain "types" seriously, so someone has to step forward and do their job for them, but that's just my opinion.
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I still watch the BC news first every morning, and have seen them mentioned many times. They do have some success stories, but they're also guilty of accusing the wrong people, or posting the wrong names on their website, and once someone is accused of a crime like that, the damage is done and nothing can reverse it.
I do agree that vigilante warriors are needed to fight the battle against child predators though, because the cops just can't keep up.
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I've witnessed vigilante justice handed out many times over the years. I've seen the tormentors & bullies of kids have it handed to them in spectacular fashion, I've seen people lose their jobs, I've seen people get violently assaulted because of things they said online. And, for much of it I thought "good".
With these guys I don't feel that way. Even simple accusations of being a child predator can (and often do) destroy a persons life even if they're unfounded. If you watch the W5 episode one of these guys goes after a 22 year old male meeting a 15 year old male in the Red Deer area. The 15 year old was gay and the 22 year old was a volunteer for the local LBGT group. There was no sexual innuendo in the chat which makes it entirely legal. The guy was simply trying to help a young gay man in an area that isn't especially accepting of young gay men.
They also discovered several of the members had serious criminal records and one had a warrant out for his arrest. The other day on AM 980 in Vancouver I heard the government is now going after the Surrey group for breaking privacy laws. I get vigilantism. I've attempted to assist police at times and been met with a brick wall. And sometimes a good public shaming is OK, but you need to make sure you're data is correct. The whole operation smells like what we hackers call "ego fagging". Using the premise of doing good for the sake of society when it's more about their own personal needs.
And they used the Guy Fawkes (Anonymous logo) as a method of profit and promotion. It's usually a good idea to stay out of some people's crosshairs.
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Are you referring to vigilante justice? Yes. I'm referring to witnessing it happen online. Hacktivists will do a "dox" which is where they unmask you and then collect all the information about you then release it. Years ago I watched hacktivists vaporize a young women who was mocking the mother of a suicide victim (cyber bullying). Her name was released then her phone was released and she posted (I can't sleep, my phone won't stop). She had possession of a semi nude photo of this girl and that brought about a raid by LE. They smashed down her door, confiscated her computer and arrested her father as she was underage. She was kicked out of the house and "sleeping on friends couches" for a while.
I "get" vigilante justice, but I don't condone it. You make a mistake and someones life is ruined. We're at the point where popular opinion on the internet is the judge, jury and executioner. It alarms me to have guys with criminal records running around handing out justice. They've made mistakes. One person is dead (committed suicide).
Anonymous has a saying "none of us are as cruel as all of us". And it's right.
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Jesus Warlock, you should write a book.
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CBC INVESTIGATES
Creep Busters ambush of man with mental disability called 'vigilantism'
'I think it's absolutely reprehensible that this kind of thing can happen,' B.C. solicitor general says
Jaxson Jacoe is 21 going on 13.
The Burnaby man doesn't just look young. His father says he has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) that's left him developmentally delayed and mentally challenged, with a pre-teen's understanding of the world.
His family is now speaking up, saying Jacoe was humiliated and lost a job he loved after being caught up in a sting orchestrated by online groups aiming to catch sexual predators.
In late February, Jacoe decided he wanted his first girlfriend. A buddy recommended he use a dating app.
Almost immediately, Jacoe was approached online by a woman going by the name Ashley. Her posted age was 19.
"She messaged me first, saying I was cute and I want to ask you out on date," recalls Jacoe. "And I responded back saying 'Thank you.'"
But Ashley had a surprise. A short time later she revealed she was actually 14.
Jacoe said that was OK.
CBC News hasn't seen the exchanges, but Jacoe says "I thought I was doing the right thing in making a friend," he says, smiling.
But his smile fades as he recalls how Ashley asked him where he worked.
He wishes he'd never told her he was a part-time scorekeeper at the Planet Ice arena in Coquitlam, B.C.
His eyes tear-up as he remembers what happened next.
Ambushed at work
On Feb. 20, Jacoe was ambushed outside his workplace. The confrontation was caught on camera by two men who had posed as Ashley online.
"They were harassing me, they were bullying me", he says, his voice shaking.
"They just approached me and started videotaping me and I had no idea what was going on."
In the video, one man identifies himself as a member of the White Rock Creep Catchers.
Creep Busters ambush of man with mental disability called 'vigilantism' - British Columbia - CBC News
Creep Busters ambush of man with mental disability called 'vigilantism'
'I think it's absolutely reprehensible that this kind of thing can happen,' B.C. solicitor general says
Jaxson Jacoe is 21 going on 13.
The Burnaby man doesn't just look young. His father says he has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) that's left him developmentally delayed and mentally challenged, with a pre-teen's understanding of the world.
His family is now speaking up, saying Jacoe was humiliated and lost a job he loved after being caught up in a sting orchestrated by online groups aiming to catch sexual predators.
In late February, Jacoe decided he wanted his first girlfriend. A buddy recommended he use a dating app.
Almost immediately, Jacoe was approached online by a woman going by the name Ashley. Her posted age was 19.
"She messaged me first, saying I was cute and I want to ask you out on date," recalls Jacoe. "And I responded back saying 'Thank you.'"
But Ashley had a surprise. A short time later she revealed she was actually 14.
Jacoe said that was OK.
CBC News hasn't seen the exchanges, but Jacoe says "I thought I was doing the right thing in making a friend," he says, smiling.
But his smile fades as he recalls how Ashley asked him where he worked.
He wishes he'd never told her he was a part-time scorekeeper at the Planet Ice arena in Coquitlam, B.C.
His eyes tear-up as he remembers what happened next.
Ambushed at work
On Feb. 20, Jacoe was ambushed outside his workplace. The confrontation was caught on camera by two men who had posed as Ashley online.
"They were harassing me, they were bullying me", he says, his voice shaking.
"They just approached me and started videotaping me and I had no idea what was going on."
In the video, one man identifies himself as a member of the White Rock Creep Catchers.
Creep Busters ambush of man with mental disability called 'vigilantism' - British Columbia - CBC News
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Trying to coax through the internet a young person into meeting in today's climate is risky business but this shows the desire some older folks have for young children. Makes me glad I no longer have young children to have to worry about, at least not yet, no grandchildren yet.
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Remember back when we were kids and they used to encourage us to talk to strangers, to go to a stranger's house, knock on the door and ask them to take you in? I don't think Block Parents even exist as an organization anymore.
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Yes I do but now the pendulum has swung far the other way and as a middle aged man I do not even look towards younger children or smile their way to avoid any confrontation by someone wrongly believing I'm up to no good. Majority of folks view children just as that children and treat them as children, its the few but now with the internet, it's all you hear.
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I delivered newspapers in a small Ontario town when I was 12. I went in strangers houses all the time to collect payment. And many of those people would invite me in to eat or in the winter to warm up. Can you imagine that today? Back in those days the mothers of young children were the eyes and ears of the street. I was always baffled how my Mom knew exactly where I was and what I did. I never realized every other mother was watching l'il Warl0ck.
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This is from a blog written by a friend of mine in BC:
Saturday, February 18, 2017
Creep Catchers on W5 - Update
Creep Catchers are on W5 tonight at 7:00 PM. The Vice dot com reported that several stings have painted the vigilante pedophile hunters as bullies after targeting people with disabilities. CTV's W5 are asking if online pedophile hunters are 'catching' the innocent?
As I said before I think the idea behind the group is good. However, the president of the Surrey chapter is a convicted drug dealer. They've got to do criminal record checks if they want any credibility. The predatory drug dealers in Whalley are no better than the child molesters they pretend to confront. One is no better than the other. They are both bad.
After seeing a couple of stings in Surrey it just looked like a bunch of predatory drug dealers from the Surrey strip continuing their bullying into other areas on camera pretending to be heros when really they are just the same themselves. The drug dealers that sell drugs on the Whalley strip brutalize addicts and sex trade workers alike. They give the sex trade workers free drugs then take all of their money when they get a trick and demand free service from them beside the tree they dumped Janice Shore's body after sexually assaulting her and caving her head in with blunt force trauma for a drug debt. These creeps are the ultimate low lifes known to man. Them running around trying to be heros on the big screen is the epitome of hypocrisy.
CTV reported that the Surrey Creep Catchers crossed 'many lines' targeting man with disabilities. They guy they claimed was luring young girls was in a scooter. Catching people who are luring children into sex is a good thing but we have to look at who is really luring who.
CTV's W5 is reporting that "a W5 investigation of the largest vigilante network, the Creep Catchers, has found their cameras often don’t tell the whole story. Cases with truly horrifying chats have been lumped in with chats that show no evidence of any sexual intent. And the nationwide network’s enormous online audience isn’t told the difference." Some advocates think they may be motivated less by a pursuit of justice as a pursuit of fame and social media reach, which can lead to money. Not all chapters of Creep Catchers are drug dealers. The Surrey chapter is. That needs to be addressed. God damn the pusher man.
Update: Wow. I saw a clip from the W5 episode. The Edmonton chapter president went to a troubled young woman's house and posted a video of him shaming her at her house and she ended up committing suicide. That was horrific. He lured her. The fact that they reposted the video in their top ten catches shows that they are messed up.
W5 reviewed a chat log in another case and found no sexual content. The young man said he was offering help to a teenager who said he was growing up gay in rural Alberta. The chat logs show the pair is meeting “just as friends.” If you have money to burn, donate it somewhere else.
In Calgary Dawson Raymond defamed and targeted a 23 year old man who met an 18 year old girl. The Creep Catchers are just like the drug dealers outside the Front Room on the Whalley strip. If you don't help them give someone the boots, they will give you the boots. They targeted a woman in Red Deer Alberta simply because she spoke out against them.
The Creep Catchers need to be charged in the death of Katelynn McKnight.
Gangsters Out Blog: Creep Catchers on W5 - Update
Saturday, February 18, 2017
Creep Catchers on W5 - Update
Creep Catchers are on W5 tonight at 7:00 PM. The Vice dot com reported that several stings have painted the vigilante pedophile hunters as bullies after targeting people with disabilities. CTV's W5 are asking if online pedophile hunters are 'catching' the innocent?
As I said before I think the idea behind the group is good. However, the president of the Surrey chapter is a convicted drug dealer. They've got to do criminal record checks if they want any credibility. The predatory drug dealers in Whalley are no better than the child molesters they pretend to confront. One is no better than the other. They are both bad.
After seeing a couple of stings in Surrey it just looked like a bunch of predatory drug dealers from the Surrey strip continuing their bullying into other areas on camera pretending to be heros when really they are just the same themselves. The drug dealers that sell drugs on the Whalley strip brutalize addicts and sex trade workers alike. They give the sex trade workers free drugs then take all of their money when they get a trick and demand free service from them beside the tree they dumped Janice Shore's body after sexually assaulting her and caving her head in with blunt force trauma for a drug debt. These creeps are the ultimate low lifes known to man. Them running around trying to be heros on the big screen is the epitome of hypocrisy.
CTV reported that the Surrey Creep Catchers crossed 'many lines' targeting man with disabilities. They guy they claimed was luring young girls was in a scooter. Catching people who are luring children into sex is a good thing but we have to look at who is really luring who.
CTV's W5 is reporting that "a W5 investigation of the largest vigilante network, the Creep Catchers, has found their cameras often don’t tell the whole story. Cases with truly horrifying chats have been lumped in with chats that show no evidence of any sexual intent. And the nationwide network’s enormous online audience isn’t told the difference." Some advocates think they may be motivated less by a pursuit of justice as a pursuit of fame and social media reach, which can lead to money. Not all chapters of Creep Catchers are drug dealers. The Surrey chapter is. That needs to be addressed. God damn the pusher man.
Update: Wow. I saw a clip from the W5 episode. The Edmonton chapter president went to a troubled young woman's house and posted a video of him shaming her at her house and she ended up committing suicide. That was horrific. He lured her. The fact that they reposted the video in their top ten catches shows that they are messed up.
W5 reviewed a chat log in another case and found no sexual content. The young man said he was offering help to a teenager who said he was growing up gay in rural Alberta. The chat logs show the pair is meeting “just as friends.” If you have money to burn, donate it somewhere else.
In Calgary Dawson Raymond defamed and targeted a 23 year old man who met an 18 year old girl. The Creep Catchers are just like the drug dealers outside the Front Room on the Whalley strip. If you don't help them give someone the boots, they will give you the boots. They targeted a woman in Red Deer Alberta simply because she spoke out against them.
The Creep Catchers need to be charged in the death of Katelynn McKnight.
Gangsters Out Blog: Creep Catchers on W5 - Update
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President of Surrey Creep Catchers being sued for defamation
The president of the Surrey Creep Catchers, a group that claims to expose people they allege are child sexual predators, is being sued for defamation.
According to court documents, the plaintiff alleges that Ryan LaForge published “defamatory words to the effect of indicating that the Plaintiff was involved in a scheme to procure sexual relations with an under-aged female” on Facebook last month.
The Plaintiff said he has been “subjected to ridicule, hatred and contempt and has suffered damages to his reputation personally and in the way of his business.”
The Plaintiff claimed LaForge published the Facebook post, which had been viewed more than 56,000 times, with “careless disregard as to whether it was true or not.”
None of the allegations have been proven in court.
The notice of civil claim came less than a month after B.C.’s privacy watchdog launched an investigation into Surrey Creep Catchers following a complaint from a member of the public.
Creep Catchers is a loose collection of organizations across Canada that claim to expose people they allege are child sexual predators by posing online as minors before meeting in person to film and berate their targets.
The group claims to have outed several people, including a Surrey RCMP officer and a Mission elementary school principal.
Law enforcement officials across Canada have repeatedly expressed concern about the groups, warning the public that confronting alleged child predators could put people in danger and compromise police investigations.
Video here: President of Surrey Creep Catchers being sued for defamation | Globalnews.ca
The president of the Surrey Creep Catchers, a group that claims to expose people they allege are child sexual predators, is being sued for defamation.
According to court documents, the plaintiff alleges that Ryan LaForge published “defamatory words to the effect of indicating that the Plaintiff was involved in a scheme to procure sexual relations with an under-aged female” on Facebook last month.
The Plaintiff said he has been “subjected to ridicule, hatred and contempt and has suffered damages to his reputation personally and in the way of his business.”
The Plaintiff claimed LaForge published the Facebook post, which had been viewed more than 56,000 times, with “careless disregard as to whether it was true or not.”
None of the allegations have been proven in court.
The notice of civil claim came less than a month after B.C.’s privacy watchdog launched an investigation into Surrey Creep Catchers following a complaint from a member of the public.
Creep Catchers is a loose collection of organizations across Canada that claim to expose people they allege are child sexual predators by posing online as minors before meeting in person to film and berate their targets.
The group claims to have outed several people, including a Surrey RCMP officer and a Mission elementary school principal.
Law enforcement officials across Canada have repeatedly expressed concern about the groups, warning the public that confronting alleged child predators could put people in danger and compromise police investigations.
Video here: President of Surrey Creep Catchers being sued for defamation | Globalnews.ca
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Laws in Canada
Illegal Pictures and Videos
Child Pornography: includes naked or semi-naked sexual picture or video of a person under 18, or of a person under 18 engaging in a sex act. It is illegal to view, keep, send, post or take such pictures or videos.
Acts that Violate Privacy
Non-Consensual Distribution of an Intimate Image: if someone has a sexual/intimate picture/video of you that was created in private circumstances, and that person knowingly posts it online or shares it with someone else knowing that you would not consent to that (or being reckless about whether you would consent to it), the person could be charged.
Voyeurism: secretly observing or recording a person who reasonably believes his/her actions are private and:
Unwanted or Illegal Sexual Contact
Online Luring: a situation where one person (typically an adult but not always) communicates with a young person through technology (like texting, instant messaging, emailing) to make it easier to commit a specific sexual offence against that young person. An example of a communication that could qualify as online luring is if the person asks, hints at or tries to convince the young person to create or send naked or semi-naked sexual pictures or videos.
Making Sexually Explicit Material Available to a Person under 18: showing or sending material like pornography to a child to make it easier to commit a sexual offence against the child.
Sexual Exploitation: When a 16- or 17-year-old is touched by or encouraged to touch themselves or any other person for a sexual purpose by a person who is:
Invitation to Sexual Touching: encouraging a person under 16 to touch themselves or someone else for a sexual purpose (whether in person or online). It includes indirect touching (with an object, for example). When both people are close enough in age AND have lawfully consented, charges may not be laid.
Illegal Pictures and Videos
Child Pornography: includes naked or semi-naked sexual picture or video of a person under 18, or of a person under 18 engaging in a sex act. It is illegal to view, keep, send, post or take such pictures or videos.
Acts that Violate Privacy
Non-Consensual Distribution of an Intimate Image: if someone has a sexual/intimate picture/video of you that was created in private circumstances, and that person knowingly posts it online or shares it with someone else knowing that you would not consent to that (or being reckless about whether you would consent to it), the person could be charged.
Voyeurism: secretly observing or recording a person who reasonably believes his/her actions are private and:
- who is in a place where the person might be expected to change or remove clothing (e.g. bedroom, bathroom, change room, cabin, tent);
- who is all or partially naked or engaged in sexual activity at the time; or
- where the recording is done for sexual reasons.
Unwanted or Illegal Sexual Contact
Online Luring: a situation where one person (typically an adult but not always) communicates with a young person through technology (like texting, instant messaging, emailing) to make it easier to commit a specific sexual offence against that young person. An example of a communication that could qualify as online luring is if the person asks, hints at or tries to convince the young person to create or send naked or semi-naked sexual pictures or videos.
Making Sexually Explicit Material Available to a Person under 18: showing or sending material like pornography to a child to make it easier to commit a sexual offence against the child.
Sexual Exploitation: When a 16- or 17-year-old is touched by or encouraged to touch themselves or any other person for a sexual purpose by a person who is:
- in a position of trust or authority (e.g. parent, guardian, teacher, coach) over the young person
- a person upon whom the 16 or 17 year old is dependent in some way
- exploiting the young person in some way
Invitation to Sexual Touching: encouraging a person under 16 to touch themselves or someone else for a sexual purpose (whether in person or online). It includes indirect touching (with an object, for example). When both people are close enough in age AND have lawfully consented, charges may not be laid.
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