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Do you believe that there is life in other planets now?
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DID YOU SEE HOW BIG URANUS IS???? hee hee
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I always have.
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I believe so as well. The Universe is quite vast with billions of planets, so I am pretty sure that life is not only restricted to this planet alone.a 1 player said:
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first off, the greatest line ever written (or one of the greatest) is from the movie with jodie foster: if there isn't life out there, wouldn't that be an awfully huge waste of space?
Yes I believe BUT:
Just because there are trillions of galaxies and 100 times more planets, that doesn't necessarily indicate that there MUST be life out there.....I think it is something like there are more galaxies than grains of sand on earth or something like that.....but to put it in perspective: with all the grains of sand on earth, how many are as valuable as the hope diamond? I bet not one.......
Further to that...if there is life out there, it is extremely unlikely that we or they would ever be able to make contact with us, even with worm holes and "folding" space.....due to the distances involved. Plus couple that with the fact that the universe is expanding so that every year we make technological advancements, anywhere there might be life gets farther and farther away. Nova did a series of programs on this and eventually, the sky we see full of stars will be nothing more than a vast void of light.....because the galaxies will be so far away and the universe expanded so much there will be nothing left to see......
Think about it, i read about "folding" the universe so one can travel great distances quickly. They went on to say even if we develope this technology, the distances will be so great that it would take 5 generations of spacemen to get there.....
Then you get into "what kind of life".....bacteria? BFD...do we want to spend billions to make contact with bacteria? algae? plants?
I think instead of looking for life, we should be focusing more on getting off this rock because its days are numbered (which is why I think the powers that be know something is up so they're really interested in mars)......
Yes I believe BUT:
Just because there are trillions of galaxies and 100 times more planets, that doesn't necessarily indicate that there MUST be life out there.....I think it is something like there are more galaxies than grains of sand on earth or something like that.....but to put it in perspective: with all the grains of sand on earth, how many are as valuable as the hope diamond? I bet not one.......
Further to that...if there is life out there, it is extremely unlikely that we or they would ever be able to make contact with us, even with worm holes and "folding" space.....due to the distances involved. Plus couple that with the fact that the universe is expanding so that every year we make technological advancements, anywhere there might be life gets farther and farther away. Nova did a series of programs on this and eventually, the sky we see full of stars will be nothing more than a vast void of light.....because the galaxies will be so far away and the universe expanded so much there will be nothing left to see......
Think about it, i read about "folding" the universe so one can travel great distances quickly. They went on to say even if we develope this technology, the distances will be so great that it would take 5 generations of spacemen to get there.....
Then you get into "what kind of life".....bacteria? BFD...do we want to spend billions to make contact with bacteria? algae? plants?
I think instead of looking for life, we should be focusing more on getting off this rock because its days are numbered (which is why I think the powers that be know something is up so they're really interested in mars)......
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Is there life out there? For sure. It's mathematically improbable that the rest of the Universe is sterile.
Has E.T. come and visited Earth?
I think that the best answer to that was in Arthur C.Clarke's "Childhood's End"
Here the General Secretary of the U.N. is speaking to the leader of the Aliens who are on Earth:
“So you have been seen by Man!”
“I didn't say that,” Karellen answered promptly.€”Your world isn't the only planet we've supervised.”
Stormgren was not to be shaken off so easily. “There have been many legends suggesting that Earth has been visited in the past by other races.”
“I know; I've read the Historical Research Section's report. It makes Earth look like the crossroads of the Universe.”
Has E.T. come and visited Earth?
I think that the best answer to that was in Arthur C.Clarke's "Childhood's End"
Here the General Secretary of the U.N. is speaking to the leader of the Aliens who are on Earth:
“So you have been seen by Man!”
“I didn't say that,” Karellen answered promptly.€”Your world isn't the only planet we've supervised.”
Stormgren was not to be shaken off so easily. “There have been many legends suggesting that Earth has been visited in the past by other races.”
“I know; I've read the Historical Research Section's report. It makes Earth look like the crossroads of the Universe.”
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Jesus Quintana said:
I remember reading that. Dude we must come from the same high school.
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John B Badd said:
I didn't read that in High School. I read it for the joy of reading a great story!
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Jesus Quintana said:
Good for you. I guess we are in the wrong age group.
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again, improbable isn't probable.......and as I said, what life? microbes? plant life? bacteria? Life as we know it is possible by a delicate balance, the amount of light we get, our atmosphere, the amount of liquid water, distance from the sun, etc. Any closer to the sun? life wouldn't be possible. Any farther? life wouldn't be possible. Think of it like a dartboard....you have to throw the dart at a spot on the board the size of an atom.....but you have to throw the dart at a dart board in manhatton while standing on the pier in LA.......
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Yes T, it all depends on your definition of life. Do biomorphs count?
If it is defined as intelligent life that we can communicate with the numbers get skinnier. It's vainglorious (I love that word) to assume that life can only evolve within the sweet spot that organic molecules can form. I believe that the term is referred to as "Carbon-racism" where one assumes that only carbon molecules can create life.
Using your dart board analogy, look at it this way. So you are in L.A. trying to toss a dart to hit an atom in New York. Very difficult, yes. However, knowing that the "primordial soup" has a balance of elements which are dictated by placement relative to a star and the existence of a suitable solvent..... what you are doing is tossing a dart onto a frictionless surface, down a deep into an endlessly constricting funnel which terminates at that atom.
The fact that it's happened ONCE means that it HAS and WILL happen repeatedly.
The BIGGEST question is "If there is evidence of intelligent life in space, are WE intelligent enough to recognize it."
Personally, I'm in agreement with Eric Idle from the movie The Meaning of Life:
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.
The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.
If it is defined as intelligent life that we can communicate with the numbers get skinnier. It's vainglorious (I love that word) to assume that life can only evolve within the sweet spot that organic molecules can form. I believe that the term is referred to as "Carbon-racism" where one assumes that only carbon molecules can create life.
Using your dart board analogy, look at it this way. So you are in L.A. trying to toss a dart to hit an atom in New York. Very difficult, yes. However, knowing that the "primordial soup" has a balance of elements which are dictated by placement relative to a star and the existence of a suitable solvent..... what you are doing is tossing a dart onto a frictionless surface, down a deep into an endlessly constricting funnel which terminates at that atom.
The fact that it's happened ONCE means that it HAS and WILL happen repeatedly.
The BIGGEST question is "If there is evidence of intelligent life in space, are WE intelligent enough to recognize it."
Personally, I'm in agreement with Eric Idle from the movie The Meaning of Life:
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.
The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.
Hey Jesus, you had me up until "The fact that it's happened ONCE means that it HAS and WILL happen repeatedly."
sorry, that just doesn't fly.....our world is rife with examples of that.....and not just manmade objects either......you could cite the example: put a million monkeys in front of a million typewriters for a million years and the law of averages dictates that eventually, one of them will write war and peace......
Take DNA for example, supposedly our personal DNA is 100% unique....if so, then that's a perfect example of the fallacy of that logic "if it happened once, it will happen again".....
I somewhat agree though that it is wrong to define "life" as carbon based....I mean, up until recently it was believed life needed a strict set of rules in order to live but around blow holes in the bottom of the ocean they've found creatures living it what is basically sufuric acid....something that would kill you or me.
Now, I think it is more probable that (since they've proven it scientifically) that there are paralell universes than "intelligent" life out there......but again, it is a moot point since it is theoretically impossible for us to ever communicate or meet them face to face.....
I think the world in general has to wake up to the realization that we truly are unique, and alone, and therefore ought to be a) taking better care of our planet and b) taking better care of ourselves...(ie: not worry so much about making money, religion etc and concentrate more on evolving as a species). I think 75% of all profits from all companies should be used to further science and creating new power sources and methods for us to get off this rock and create livable habitats on other planets.......instead of spending trillions on the next big gadget or video game....I mean really do we NEED 700 different types of smart phones?
sorry, that just doesn't fly.....our world is rife with examples of that.....and not just manmade objects either......you could cite the example: put a million monkeys in front of a million typewriters for a million years and the law of averages dictates that eventually, one of them will write war and peace......
Take DNA for example, supposedly our personal DNA is 100% unique....if so, then that's a perfect example of the fallacy of that logic "if it happened once, it will happen again".....
I somewhat agree though that it is wrong to define "life" as carbon based....I mean, up until recently it was believed life needed a strict set of rules in order to live but around blow holes in the bottom of the ocean they've found creatures living it what is basically sufuric acid....something that would kill you or me.
Now, I think it is more probable that (since they've proven it scientifically) that there are paralell universes than "intelligent" life out there......but again, it is a moot point since it is theoretically impossible for us to ever communicate or meet them face to face.....
I think the world in general has to wake up to the realization that we truly are unique, and alone, and therefore ought to be a) taking better care of our planet and b) taking better care of ourselves...(ie: not worry so much about making money, religion etc and concentrate more on evolving as a species). I think 75% of all profits from all companies should be used to further science and creating new power sources and methods for us to get off this rock and create livable habitats on other planets.......instead of spending trillions on the next big gadget or video game....I mean really do we NEED 700 different types of smart phones?
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I'll agree with you on that smart phone stuff.
Don't forget that Life is all about replication. We would be a uniform species if we cloned ourselves and didn't use sexual reproduction.
The Giant funnel that I was referring to doesn't eventually point directly to the development of humans and in particular me (The acme of evolution) but to the basic components of life.
The diverse lifeforms on this planet if you go far enough back share one common ancestor. The first molecule that successfully reproduced itself. How those molecules divided or cloned or reproduced themselves based on their surrounding conditions and the changes that they went through via selection is the basis of Evolution.
That same first molecule if transplanted onto a different but viable planet wouldn't guarantee humans running around a couple of billion years later but there would still be some form of life.
Bazerko of course will stipulate that the earth and the Universe are really only 10,000 years old and that all the REALLY old shit that has been carbon dated are just implanted pranks from a higher being.
Don't forget that Life is all about replication. We would be a uniform species if we cloned ourselves and didn't use sexual reproduction.
The Giant funnel that I was referring to doesn't eventually point directly to the development of humans and in particular me (The acme of evolution) but to the basic components of life.
The diverse lifeforms on this planet if you go far enough back share one common ancestor. The first molecule that successfully reproduced itself. How those molecules divided or cloned or reproduced themselves based on their surrounding conditions and the changes that they went through via selection is the basis of Evolution.
That same first molecule if transplanted onto a different but viable planet wouldn't guarantee humans running around a couple of billion years later but there would still be some form of life.
Bazerko of course will stipulate that the earth and the Universe are really only 10,000 years old and that all the REALLY old shit that has been carbon dated are just implanted pranks from a higher being.
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Jesus Quintana said:
That routine is sheer brilliance, a timeless melody with lyrics roughly accurate scientifically despite artist licence for rhyme and rhythm.
