Elitism and the obsurdity of democracy....

[papasmerf]

MM

I am stating to get grief over the fact you owe wages

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

BOTHER YOU????????????:NoNoNo:

it is your privilege to service me.:yahoo:

Well at least it is not my duty to please your booty.

 

[papasmerf]

Well at least it is not my duty to please your booty.

true :blush2:

although I wish I had thought of duty to provide the booty\

I must be getting old

 

[Robintheboywonder]

Aw, geez will you two get a room already!

Purple and blue are a good fit.:biggrin2:

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

true :blush2:

although I wish I had thought of duty to provide the booty\

I must be getting old

Is forgetful the same as dumb???? Should we get Annelise's opinion on that? What is the curve on this???

 

[papasmerf]

Is forgetful the same as dumb???? Should we get Annelise's opinion on that? What is the curve on this???

In a bell curve you always toss out the lowest 20% so as to bump the numbers up

I am pretty sure we are in that 20%

 

[Anneliese]

I am not reducing a thing nor do I want to sensationalize anything. I am simply asking a question for clarification.

You are marketing to a certain demographic. The men who prefer older educated women. It is not that the rest are just too dumb. It is simply that men prefer {for the most part if they are paying} to go with a hot young 20 something that they can not get without their cash. In their mind, they can get ladies like you for free. Also remember that men are naturally {for the most part} attracted to younger women. Women who look fertile, etc. This is primal for them. There are tons of other factors that I can get into as well.

To reduce them to nothing more then stupid people who don't know any better seems like nothing more then an excuse to help you justify a lack of call volume. To make you feel better. In my humble opinion. If I were to start escorting now, I would not be surprised by a lower call volume and I would plan my business around that and based on that. There are ways to market to everyone but your pool of available clientele is not lowered by IQ. It is lowered because they just don't want what you have to offer.

An interesting theory if seriously skewed. So if that is the case and most men just want a young, fertile 20 year old, then how do you account for the fact that on EROS.com their second most trafficked area after the general all escort category is Mature? If all they want was young bodies, and could get sex from old hags like me for free, then why the hell are they cruising the mature category so intensely and presumably paying for a mature Service Provider? No, Ms. FF I think you don't know what you are talking about on this one, your logic is somewhat off.... Also, there are many older SPs who are NOT marketing to the educated, professional businessman, as they just don't have the intellect, looks nor persona to be attractive to and considered suitable for social events with as I suspect is the case with you.... I of course do.

Finally, I want to say that you were definitely trying to sensationalize the post, and did so in an aggressive and challenging way, at which I tried to explain and not start a confrontation with you. However, given your unsupportive, aggressive and negative demeanor, which in my opinion is indicative of the backstabbing, and jealous behaviour I see rampant in women's work environments, I feel compelled to confront you with my perception of your post. It would have been nice to have had some sister support on this one, instead of a bitchy comeback.....

 

[Gabriella Laurence]

This past week has been one that has been fraught with copious hours of work on the computer, signing up for escort directories and promoting my website, ads and blogs. I spent an entire day today, figuring, creating and sorting out a new web banner for my blog on Tumblr. Yes, I admit I am somewhat obsessive over details…. but as flummoxed as I was, I was equally challenged to conquer this task, and eventually I did. Chalk it up to being blessed with an above average IQ, a minority in our society if statistics can be believed. As I was dispersing my various ads around the escort directories, and seeding the internet with my photos and obscure references, I was very conscious of the fact that I was deliberately limiting my choices of clientele.

”Mature & Sophisticated, let’s discuss Nietzsche and mess around….” is unlikely to appeal to the average Joe looking for a young tight body and a great blowjob! No, rather the horny,older, educated, “thinking man” will come across my ad amongst a sea of explicit ads & photos of seductively perfect bodies by enterprising young women and think…. “Now that is my kinda gal….”

Unfortunately, the older, clever guy is in the minority. It was only recently that it struck me that we live in a society mostly populated by the educationally subnormal, the intellectually challenged so to speak. If we consider that 50% of the population is BELOW a 100 IQ, as 100 is the average level of intellect, and a 100 IQ is indicative of a person who, let’s face it, is not the sharpest tack in the box…. we begin to realize that intelligence is in the minority! It really isn’t until the IQ levels reach 110 and over that we consider a person high average or above the normal.

If we note the Terman Classification scale, we can see how this plays out:


Stanford-Binet Scale of Human IntelligenceIQ Score
145 and overGenius
120–144Exceptional
110–119High Average
90–109Average or Normal
80–89DullDull Normal
70–79Borderline DeficiencyMild disability
50–69MoronModerate disability
20–49ImbecileSevere disability
Below 20IdiotProfound disability
(IQ Reference Chart, Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_reference_chart)


So it begs that question then, is democracy really a good idea? We are asking the majority of the population to make decisions about our political life and economic future, when, chances are they haven’t the foggiest idea what the whole thing means…. I have to say, this thought gave me pause. Now don’t get me wrong here, I am a very liberal feminist and socialist in my philosophy and politics, however, the ensuing years have tempered my radical beliefs to incorporate biological influences and evolutionary theory, not to mention the limits of brain function and the gender differences in brain development. I guess I am saying that I am not entirely sure that democracy is that answer or perfect solution to our political, moral and cultural societal choices.

So what exactly does this have to do with my business as an enterprising escort? Well, rather a lot actually! As a mature woman, raised, educated and socialized in a particular class and status that consisted of academics, and professionals, my niche and business is geared towards appealling to this demographic. Unfortunately, this demographic is in the minority, and as such, by actively marketing to them, I am reducing my potential clientele list substantially.

But that is OK with me. Ultimately, I can’t pretend to be something I am not. I am NOT 20 something, I DON’T have a perfect body with perky tits, I AM a nerdy intellect, and I DO find educated, witty and clever men more attractive than pure good looks.

So despite myself, I am marketing to this small sub sector. It is interesting because, I have had many hobbyist tell me I am charging too much, or no one will want a mouthy old cow like me, but strangely enough, the email keeps coming and the phone keeps ringing…. So maybe my diminished demographic is just enough to support a niche, older escort like me. Just maybe…..

XOXO
Anneliese

I don’t necessarily see it as limiting your choices of clientele- I definitely see it as marketing towards a very specific and preferred niche market that will be compatible with you- the gentlemen who you actually want to hear from rather then having a high volume of contacts (emails or phone calls) that may not result in a rendez-vous because, for whatever reason, they are not gentlemen you want to spend time with.

I also don’t believe IQ has anything to do with it; gentlemen will contact you (or someone else) because they are looking for something in particular; today might be a young spinner and tomorrow a more mature companion- today might be a “wham bam thank you mam”and tomorrow might be a dinner date or a weekend getaway. I guess it all depends on their moods and also on what they are looking to take from the experience with their lady of choice, regardless of age for each party involved.

I am also a 35+ mature companion (and curvy) and I do chose to cater to a very specific clientele. I understand that I’m not everyone’s cup of tea (so as all woman for every man) and that I might not get contacted as often as a 20 something young lady but that’s ok with me because I am delighted with the quality of gentlemen who contact me, with the moments I share in their company, and also with the longer encounters I engage in on a regular basis. Why the need for high volume when you can spend the same amount of time with only a few gentlemen?

At the end of the day, I am happy to advertise and target the niche market of my choice, deal with a lower volume demand, and have a good time in wonderful company than sit at my computer all day sifting through emails that are really not meant for me in the first place.

I will now go read the rest of the thread

Gabriella

PS.
To the members- my first language is French and I tried my best to express my opinion the best I could.
If there is something that comes across as offensive or is not too clear, please, do not tear me or my post apart lol

 

[Anneliese]

Thank you Garbriella for your very articulate and thoughtful post, you understand what I am talking about, and it is good to know I am not the only one in the same position. Great hearing from you!

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

An interesting theory if seriously skewed. So if that is the case and most men just want a young, fertile 20 year old, then how do you account for the fact that on EROS.com their second most trafficked area after the general all escort category is Mature? If all they want was young bodies, and could get sex from old hags like me for free, then why the hell are they cruising the mature category so intensely and presumably paying for a mature Service Provider? No, Ms. FF I think you don't know what you are talking about on this one, your logic is somewhat off.... Also, there are many older SPs who are NOT marketing to the educated, professional businessman, as they just don't have the intellect, looks nor persona to be attractive to and considered suitable for social events with as I suspect is the case with you.... I of course do.

First, I have been marketing SP's for years. I have successfully marketed all types from skinny to BBW from young to mature. I have a clue about it. Just a tiny one.

Second - you didn't read what I wrote at all. You looked at in a confrontational way, which it was not, and then found yourself insulted, which you weren't, and then replied. I never said anything about my belief regarding men getting laid by old hags like you for free. I said FOR the men who are looking for 20 somethings, IN THIER MINDS, they can have sex with older women for free. Or at least IN THEIR MINDS, they think they should be able to. That is their train of thought for the most part and it has been expressed freely over the boards for years. Maybe, just maybe having been in this industry much longer then you, I may have some insight.

Third - I would not be judging others on what you perceive as their shortcomings based on their marketing strategy You have no idea about those women. Some women could very easily say you do not have the looks. For you to even try to presume that I am NOT an escort because of my looks, attitude and persona shows just how offended you were by the honesty in my posts. I could post 1 ad that Femme is available and I would be booked site un-seen, simply based on my years of posting. There have been many offers that have been turned down. Almost at a weekly rate. I am not an escort for many reason. First, I simply don't have the interest personally, but if that was not there one main reason would be that I am not single. I am in a relationship with a man who would not want me to be a sex worker. I make more then enough money so I have no financial reason either.

Fourth- are you trying to imply that because mature is the second largest category {because you have seen the stats on what the MEN are looking at, not just want is available for advertising} on one site, that means that I am wrong in that not MOST, but a lot of men want a young 20 something? Are you really going to say that is wrong? Did I say there was no market for the older lady. Do you want me to list all the categories and break downs for any advertising in this industry to you show there are generally 2 splits first which is age, then 2 splits in each of those for services, then 3 splits in those for size, then splits for race, location, etc, etc? Will it make it easier to understand?

Finally, I want to say that you were definitely trying to sensationalize the post, and did so in an aggressive and challenging way, at which I tried to explain and not start a confrontation with you. However, given your unsupportive, aggressive and negative demeanor, which in my opinion is indicative of the backstabbing, and jealous behaviour I see rampant in women's work environments, I feel compelled to confront you with my perception of your post. It would have been nice to have had some sister support on this one, instead of a bitchy comeback.....

I am NOT an SP supporter. Sorry. I am a industry support. I support the industry and those who do right by it. Men and women alike. I have no issue telling a hobbyist what I think is right or wrong and I have no issue telling a woman either. That is my stance. Sometimes, I will agree that telling a woman directly instead of publicly, is better for the collective but this is not the case. When you are calling hobbyist stupid for not booking you, I am going to speak up. I asked for clarification because I could not believe that once again you are insulting your clientele. The people posting are not often the people reading with intent to book anyway. You seem to fail understanding that. I have nothing to back-stab you for. I have no reason to be jealous. Of what???? We are not in the same field. We are in the same industry but not the same field.

It is NOT that men are not booking you because they are too dumb. To continue to think that way is only going to further hurt your business. Why? Because you will not open your mind enough to look into different marketing. You seem to think you are all that and more. Great for you, but not for your bank account. I am sorry that is the case, but until you truly understand this industry and lose the extreme feminist views that have an overtone of disdain for men, you will never get to the peak point in your career as an SP. I am not saying you can't do it. I am not saying you should not be able to get what you are seeking. I am simply saying that your idea that it is the stupid man's fault is not going to help you any.

Thank you Garbriella for your very articulate and thoughtful post, you understand what I am talking about, and it is good to know I am not the only one in the same position. Great hearing from you!

And this is a perfect example of how you took her post one way, and my post another even though they said the same thing. IQ has nothing to do with your lack of clientele.

You said it did. I double checked, you again said it was IQ, I told you are mistaken and in my personal opinion it is an excuse to justify to yourself your lower call volume. Instead of realizing that you have a small clientele base simply based on your age, size, location, rate, etc etc etc.

If you can not understand a client who has a choice between a $250/hour GFE DT incall from a 25 year college Co-ED and a much older lady at $350/hr with no menu listed, no age easily viewable, no incall unless the price is even higher, that most are going to pick the former over the latter for a) price b) open advertising c)age d) looks e) easy of booking for a start, then you are the one who is skewed in your own logic.

I get your marketing. I understand it and there is nothing wrong with it. Don't list a menu. Many do not. They lose a few clients that way. Have a higher rate in this tough times, no problem. Many do, but they also lose a few in their client available pool. It has nothing to do with IQ. Men are smarter then you seem to think. If that makes me an unsupportive aggressive and negative person, so be it. You will still fail to meet your quota and I will still successfully market other women of your caliber much better. AS I have been doing for years. I was doing you a favour by giving you the truth from one woman to another. The issue with this industry is not jealously and backstabbing, it is too many women thinking entirely to high of themselves and not realizing that just because they are not everyone's cup of tea doesn't mean it is a bad thing.

You have a limited pool of clientele based on you. Not based on men and their level of intelligence. Period.

 

[Madman]

Femme, I'm sorry but whenever I see your purple posts I think of the upshot skirt view and the purple panties. I'm convinced you really wear purple panties.

Dumb male here with a one track mind and PROUD OF IT!!!!!

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

Femme, I'm sorry but whenever I see your purple posts I think of the upshot skirt view and the purple panties. I'm convinced you really wear purple panties.

IF I wear panties, most times it is because they are a pretty purple pair, but that is about as many times as a wife gives a husband of 15 years a blowjob....... I will it to you to do the math on that one.

 

[Madman]

IF I wear panties, most times it is because they are a pretty purple pair, but that is about as many times as a wife gives a husband of 15 years a blowjob....... I will it to you to do the math on that one.

Mmmm, math was never my strong suit but let's see.

I was married appox. 12 years
I received a total of 4 blow jobs
Hey I don't even need to use my toes to figure this one out

I received one head every 3 years.

Thankfully I've found my BONBONS on BLUEBERRY HILL.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

Mmmm, math was never my strong suit but let's see.

I was married appox. 12 years
I received a total of 4 blow jobs
Hey I don't even need to use my toes to figure this one out

I received one head every 3 years.

Sounds about right! LOL

 

[Anneliese]

First, I have been marketing SP's for years. I have successfully marketed all types from skinny to BBW from young to mature. I have a clue about it. Just a tiny one.

Second - you didn't read what I wrote at all. You looked at in a confrontational way, which it was not, and then found yourself insulted, which you weren't, and then replied. I never said anything about my belief regarding men getting laid by old hags like you for free. I said FOR the men who are looking for 20 somethings, IN THIER MINDS, they can have sex with older women for free. Or at least IN THEIR MINDS, they think they should be able to. That is their train of thought for the most part and it has been expressed freely over the boards for years. Maybe, just maybe having been in this industry much longer then you, I may have some insight.

Third - I would not be judging others on what you perceive as their shortcomings based on their marketing strategy You have no idea about those women. Some women could very easily say you do not have the looks. For you to even try to presume that I am NOT an escort because of my looks, attitude and persona shows just how offended you were by the honesty in my posts. I could post 1 ad that Femme is available and I would be booked site un-seen, simply based on my years of posting. There have been many offers that have been turned down. Almost at a weekly rate. I am not an escort for many reason. First, I simply don't have the interest personally, but if that was not there one main reason would be that I am not single. I am in a relationship with a man who would not want me to be a sex worker. I make more then enough money so I have no financial reason either.

Fourth- are you trying to imply that because mature is the second largest category {because you have seen the stats on what the MEN are looking at, not just want is available for advertising} on one site, that means that I am wrong in that not MOST, but a lot of men want a young 20 something? Are you really going to say that is wrong? Did I say there was no market for the older lady. Do you want me to list all the categories and break downs for any advertising in this industry to you show there are generally 2 splits first which is age, then 2 splits in each of those for services, then 3 splits in those for size, then splits for race, location, etc, etc? Will it make it easier to understand?



I am NOT an SP supporter. Sorry. I am a industry support. I support the industry and those who do right by it. Men and women alike. I have no issue telling a hobbyist what I think is right or wrong and I have no issue telling a woman either. That is my stance. Sometimes, I will agree that telling a woman directly instead of publicly, is better for the collective but this is not the case. When you are calling hobbyist stupid for not booking you, I am going to speak up. I asked for clarification because I could not believe that once again you are insulting your clientele. The people posting are not often the people reading with intent to book anyway. You seem to fail understanding that. I have nothing to back-stab you for. I have no reason to be jealous. Of what???? We are not in the same field. We are in the same industry but not the same field.

It is NOT that men are not booking you because they are too dumb. To continue to think that way is only going to further hurt your business. Why? Because you will not open your mind enough to look into different marketing. You seem to think you are all that and more. Great for you, but not for your bank account. I am sorry that is the case, but until you truly understand this industry and lose the extreme feminist views that have an overtone of disdain for men, you will never get to the peak point in your career as an SP. I am not saying you can't do it. I am not saying you should not be able to get what you are seeking. I am simply saying that your idea that it is the stupid man's fault is not going to help you any.



And this is a perfect example of how you took her post one way, and my post another even though they said the same thing. IQ has nothing to do with your lack of clientele.

You said it did. I double checked, you again said it was IQ, I told you are mistaken and in my personal opinion it is an excuse to justify to yourself your lower call volume. Instead of realizing that you have a small clientele base simply based on your age, size, location, rate, etc etc etc.

If you can not understand a client who has a choice between a $250/hour GFE DT incall from a 25 year college Co-ED and a much older lady at $350/hr with no menu listed, no age easily viewable, no incall unless the price is even higher, that most are going to pick the former over the latter for a) price b) open advertising c)age d) looks e) easy of booking for a start, then you are the one who is skewed in your own logic.

I get your marketing. I understand it and there is nothing wrong with it. Don't list a menu. Many do not. They lose a few clients that way. Have a higher rate in this tough times, no problem. Many do, but they also lose a few in their client available pool. It has nothing to do with IQ. Men are smarter then you seem to think. If that makes me an unsupportive aggressive and negative person, so be it. You will still fail to meet your quota and I will still successfully market other women of your caliber much better. AS I have been doing for years. I was doing you a favour by giving you the truth from one woman to another. The issue with this industry is not jealously and backstabbing, it is too many women thinking entirely to high of themselves and not realizing that just because they are not everyone's cup of tea doesn't mean it is a bad thing.

You have a limited pool of clientele based on you. Not based on men and their level of intelligence. Period.

Blah, blah, blah, blah..... whatever.....:Rollingeyes:;Notlistening:/