Started at $43, went down to $38 now at $40.
Do you think it's worth buying?.
https://www.google.com/finance?q=fb
Do you think it's worth buying?.
https://www.google.com/finance?q=fb
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$19,534,287,326 for Mark
I'm guessing he can afford an overnight.
I'm guessing he can afford an overnight.
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well, if you figure if you bought at 38, sold at 40 and bought 1,000,000 shares, you'd make 2 million dollars......considering that you wouldn't even have to actually take possession of the shares and pay for them before you sold them....
that's the one big issue with the stock market.......imo.....you can buy and sell something without ever having to pay for it......
that's the one big issue with the stock market.......imo.....you can buy and sell something without ever having to pay for it......
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Steady at 38 still. I think it will go below 30 as its overvalued.
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And I wanted to short it at the opening buzzer at 43. Fuck.
A couple of million shares shorted would net you 10 million bucks.
I could have changed my facebook status to "Rich beyond my dreams of avarice... thanks to you dumb fucks."
A couple of million shares shorted would net you 10 million bucks.
I could have changed my facebook status to "Rich beyond my dreams of avarice... thanks to you dumb fucks."
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Oh Massy, I'm not the type to gamble on that kind of shit. I'm a believer in buying solid companies, not fly by night websites.
Here is a story from NPR that was broadcast last Monday.
When Facebook goes public this week, the company will be valued at roughly $100 billion.
It will be the highest valuation ever for an initial public offering of a tech company. Is Facebook really worth this much money?
One way to frame the question is to consider a single fraction.
The number on top of the fraction is the total value of the company. The number on the bottom is the company's profits over the past year. This fraction is called the price-to-earnings ratio. It's widely used by investors in stocks.
Over the past century, the average price-to-earnings ratio for big U.S. companies has been 15, according to Anant Sundaram with the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth. The ratio for Apple is about 15. The ratio for Google is a bit higher.
One way to think about that: At current levels, it would take the average company 15 years to generate enough profit to pay for itself.
The picture for Facebook is very different. Facebook's price-to-earnings ratio is 100. At current levels, it would take Facebook 100 years to generate enough profits to pay for itself.
"Its price-to-earnings earnings ratio is astronomical," Sundaram says. "Off the charts."
That number is so high is because investors are betting Facebook's profits are going to explode.
Sundaram says judging from this price these investors seem to believe that the company's profits will double, and then double again, and then double again — all within the next few years.
For that to happen, Facebook will need to attract 10 percent of all advertising dollars spent on the planet "across all media – print, billboards, radio, television, Internet," Sundaram says. While this is theoretically possible, Sundaram says it's "an extremely low probability."
Last year, Facebook had just over $3 billion in global ad sales. TV ad sales in the U.S. alone last year were $68 billion.
But Facebook is trying to convince potential investors that it will grow into an incredible platform for ads. There are three key parts to this pitch.
1. Nearly 1 billion people now use Facebook.
2. The company knows a ton about its 1 billion users. If you're on Facebook, there's a good chance the company knows your age, gender, where you went to school, what you like, where you live and who you are dating or married to. That means Facebook should be able to do an incredible job of targeting ads to you.
3. In the long run, Facebook wants to figure out how to use your friends to help sell you stuff. So if your friend buys something — a meat grinder, a seltzer maker, whatever — and raves about it on Facebook, that can become an ad.
That last one — turning word-of-mouth recommendations into a massive new advertising system — is at the core of Facebook's long-term strategy.
Will this be the bomb that explodes advertising as we know it? Do social ads work? "I don't think they have nailed that exact formula yet," says Rob Leathern, who advises big brands that advertise on Facebook.
Google is the obvious comparison here. The company started as a search engine, but turned into a cash cow when it set up automated auctions for ads that run next to search results. Those ads transformed the whole advertising industry.
When Facebook goes public this week, the company will be valued at roughly $100 billion.
It will be the highest valuation ever for an initial public offering of a tech company. Is Facebook really worth this much money?
One way to frame the question is to consider a single fraction.
The number on top of the fraction is the total value of the company. The number on the bottom is the company's profits over the past year. This fraction is called the price-to-earnings ratio. It's widely used by investors in stocks.
Over the past century, the average price-to-earnings ratio for big U.S. companies has been 15, according to Anant Sundaram with the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth. The ratio for Apple is about 15. The ratio for Google is a bit higher.
One way to think about that: At current levels, it would take the average company 15 years to generate enough profit to pay for itself.
The picture for Facebook is very different. Facebook's price-to-earnings ratio is 100. At current levels, it would take Facebook 100 years to generate enough profits to pay for itself.
"Its price-to-earnings earnings ratio is astronomical," Sundaram says. "Off the charts."
That number is so high is because investors are betting Facebook's profits are going to explode.
Sundaram says judging from this price these investors seem to believe that the company's profits will double, and then double again, and then double again — all within the next few years.
For that to happen, Facebook will need to attract 10 percent of all advertising dollars spent on the planet "across all media – print, billboards, radio, television, Internet," Sundaram says. While this is theoretically possible, Sundaram says it's "an extremely low probability."
Last year, Facebook had just over $3 billion in global ad sales. TV ad sales in the U.S. alone last year were $68 billion.
But Facebook is trying to convince potential investors that it will grow into an incredible platform for ads. There are three key parts to this pitch.
1. Nearly 1 billion people now use Facebook.
2. The company knows a ton about its 1 billion users. If you're on Facebook, there's a good chance the company knows your age, gender, where you went to school, what you like, where you live and who you are dating or married to. That means Facebook should be able to do an incredible job of targeting ads to you.
3. In the long run, Facebook wants to figure out how to use your friends to help sell you stuff. So if your friend buys something — a meat grinder, a seltzer maker, whatever — and raves about it on Facebook, that can become an ad.
That last one — turning word-of-mouth recommendations into a massive new advertising system — is at the core of Facebook's long-term strategy.
Will this be the bomb that explodes advertising as we know it? Do social ads work? "I don't think they have nailed that exact formula yet," says Rob Leathern, who advises big brands that advertise on Facebook.
Google is the obvious comparison here. The company started as a search engine, but turned into a cash cow when it set up automated auctions for ads that run next to search results. Those ads transformed the whole advertising industry.
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Jesus Quintana
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tboy said:
Did you spend much time on "Friendster"?
Facecrack can't seem to figure out how to monetize it's mobile apps.
As posted above, it's P&E ratio was 100.
It's just a bad idea. Somewhere there is a lonely 16 year old working on it's replacement.
Give me hard assets and performance.
whether or not it can turn a large profit is another thing entirely....it is the "fly by night" comment i was commenting on....fly by night usually means here today, gone tomorrow and it's been around for years, and isn't going anywhere soon.....too many companies now have jumped on the facebook bandwagon where it used to be strictly a social network...now it is a commercial network.
Is it going to grow where everyone hopes it will commercially? who knows.....
Can share prices grow that exponentially? Well, when i was laid off from crappy tire in the mid 90s, my share prices were around $7.00 and now? Someone just retired and told me he got $70 a share...that's 10 times......
Is it going to grow where everyone hopes it will commercially? who knows.....
Can share prices grow that exponentially? Well, when i was laid off from crappy tire in the mid 90s, my share prices were around $7.00 and now? Someone just retired and told me he got $70 a share...that's 10 times......
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Prior to the IPO, there were various stories about insiders selling their stocks, even before the IPO! It's never a good sign when company insiders are cashing out before the IPO. Then during its first day there were stories about how the investment houses, which got special first crack at owning FB stock even before the IPO, were propping up the stock during the day to make sure it didn't fall below its IPO price, because psychologically that would be a bad thing for it. At the end of the day, it ended almost exactly at its IPO price, which means that the investment banks were just barely successful. The real, unmanipulated story will be visible on Monday, when all fake transaction will be finished with, and the stock has to hold it's own in the face of the broader market of Greece/Europe worries, etc. If it follows the other stocks that same day, then it's not a growth stock, but it might be a keeper. If it does better than other established stocks, then it might be a growth stock. Google was certainly a growth stock, so was Apple, and at one time Microsoft before it.
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fuck me :sad:tboy said:
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Jesus Quintana
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As of 9:30 this morning..... down to $35.
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