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How Close Do You Get To The ladies? (Non Physical - Emotional - Social)

ChaosTheory

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We had a thread like this before.
The intention was to bread awareness and bring attention to a sensitive, natural, perhaps beneficial investment indulging in a ladies life past the SP-client standard..the good and bad side.
The "beneficial" or benefits of this social engagement is what has been debated and explored through personal experiences on many levels.

Twitter, besides word of mouth, has displayed the emotional and fiscal investment "clients" put forth into lady...the question is, why? to what end? and is the return worth it?

I have shared my experiences here and will again.
 
I always take this hobby as a pure business transaction. There is too much to lose once emotion comes into play.

As for twitter and other social media communications, don't kid yourself. That is another form of marketing for the ladies. It's all business.

Treat them with respect, but remember that this is a business where they sell and you buy.
 
CT, I need to give this some thought as I've been caught once and am in the midst of it again...although, I'm a little more wary, we still get "caught". I will find the time to share and expose my weaknesses to the group. No hating or judging, we're all human.
 
Keep it about the business, they only want our money so make sure you only want the sex and its all good. Anyone who thinks a girl is your friend when your paying for her time is a fool. I have gotten a little closer with a couple of girls but like they used the connection as a way to make money I used the comfort level as a way to get more sex, more time and better sex for less money, but always pay the minute your not paying you have a problem, of couse its very unlikely that would happen in these sutuations. They will exploit us for what they want so why shouldnt we do the same for what we want. Keep it professional and keep a level head about what your doing and its to everyones benefit, nobody gets hurt. Like I have said many times before they are hookers not friends, dont kid yourself into thinking differently. Like Kirk says treat them with respect, but the business is sex for money.
 
There is an old saying that “Nothing in Life is Ever Really Free”. It would appear that if I am married or dating a civilian or seeing an escort I am always paying for sex on some level. Have done all three during my lifetime and I must say seeing escorts is the best deal in town. :biggrin2: For me Nirvana is seeing an escort who can create the illusion of intimacy.
 
Like Nova says, we're all paying in some form so if that's the case, I plan on enjoying myself along the way until father time robs me of this as well. I'll admit, I'm "closer" to some of the ladies than others and I enjoy the time I spend with them - be it in the bedroom or outside. But once we leave and I go back to my "real life" then all I have are pleasant memories - not a gf or a sugar baby or a wife.

When I was much younger I got really in deep with a stripper - like falling hard, head over heels, I'm gonna save this girl and marry her deep. I thought she was more than my friend and eventually I learned my lesson. I'm sure if I wanted to, I could go down that rabbit hole again with several of the ladies I know today. The lines may be a little blurred at times but so far I think I can safely say that I have not yet taken the red pill. I'm stuck in the Matrix for the time being!
 
I've been seeing one SP regularly since January. We've spent a lot of off the clock time together; dinners, outings, dates, shows etc.. She's never asked for any compensation for this time only when it comes to physical contact or overnights and weekends. We talk daily when she's not working (she's not from Ontario). She's connected me to her personal life and her family/friends know of me, just never met me face to face. I've traveled to her home town and have been arm and arm with her with all her local friends eyeballing us and wondering who I am. They know me through facebook as I comment on some of her posts. I've helped her through some rough times and she has done the same with me. To say we're not connected at an intimate and personal level would be incorrect. She's made it quite clear she is not interested in having a "boyfriend" at this time. She just isn't concentrating on that. Working, earning enough money to get out and have a life outside of this and moving forward on her real career; which is flourishing now with some help from me (not monetarily). I don't see her finishing off her SP career anytime soon though; the lure of the money is just too much for some of these ladies.

Do I realize that this is probably going to end with me standing at the alter - yep. Things like this rarely work out to anything but a pay for play. I understand that and am not hoping for anything but to enjoy the time we spend together knowing it will end one day. Will i be sad? Of course.

Some of you are a little more resilient with your feelings than I am, but I've been pretty good at keeping my emotions at bay with other ladies except her. She knows I see other girls, including some of her friends. She's seen some of you. It gets a little awkward when we have an argument and she tells me to have fun with "those other whores". Sigh....it's pretty difficult at times. I've not been the one who re-engages looking to make up. Is it my wallet she's apologizing to? I dunno fellas. All of the off the clock time doesn't seem so. $1-200 theatre tickets, $2-300 dinners just doesn't make much business sense for the 4-6 hours we spend together.

We've vacationed together and we're planning on another in a month. She gets a free vacay with all expenses or I just hand her some spending money as I would if it were an SO. I really don't see much of a difference quite honestly or am I just fooling myself...?

I have a reputation as being a huge man-whore and I am; she knows this and I don't talk about my conquests and she doesn't tell me about her clients unless she needs to share about a bad client or interesting situation, and I do give her that opportunity without judgement. My concern is always for her safety.

As you can see, I'm in quite the predicament with this attachment. Until such time this relationship ends, I will continue to have good times with her and still see other ladies. If she were to tell me that she wanted to take this to the next level, I would likely consider it.
 
"For me Nirvana is seeing an escort who can create the illusion of intimacy."

well said, Nova
 
Everyone here definitely are experienced in this area to various degrees. The reason is simple, and to put it colloquially or metaphorically women are like a drug..aka..the most powerful addiction. We tend to allow them to influence to such an intense degree that we find ourselves justifying the extreme lengths we go through in various areas, monetary, time etc...to have their attention.
Some of us were there, we still may be to a lesser degree ( I am working on it), some of us are there but perhaps neglect to see it.

The problem I find is that: We neglect to see the problem that it is causing in our lives...much like any substance abuse.

This is what fuels the industry and women know it, plain and simple.

I appreciate all of us opening up as we have had a thread like this before and it has helped others, like myself, and even talking about it in a group allows us to help each other by giving advice, sharing our experiences. Furthermore, by opening up, if you haven't before, it helps bring perspective, awareness so you can scrutinize actions to determine if it is detrimental.

Kirk, Muckin,Nova,MT: I have been forced to see that this stance is indeed the necessary and proper stance/outlook to take. I have shared my experiences before here, and for the new kids (AM and Mammo)

I will certainly share them again. The most polarizing was a relationship I have had with an SP....I named her last time, I have no problems naming he women as I feel holding on that knowledge is a purse-string attaching me to that consumptive mentality.
She has been retired for a while now. I am not sure what she is doing now, I haven't had the desire to find out because her life is her own and I don't want to get pulled back in

AM, it paralelles exactly what you are going though now..although it got to a point where she did want to marry me or believed we were married/engaged or something. I did pay for gifts,trips, entertainment...well because that is what I do for ladies and even male friends, dinners and gifts sometimes but it is bilateral with friends..for women it is unilateral, coming from me as I wouldn't accept any form of payment whatsoever. However with a working girl because of the basis behind their job..the foundation-that being to promote herself in anyway and produce relationships to gain benefit primarily monetary secondarily support and social benefits, that goodwill transformed into usery shrouded in care...that is, it seemed that she cared for me but it was really about security, money, and escapism.
This was evidenced by the fact that once I had to put an end to it because it got out of control she in turn proceeded to out me to my various personal relationships, including family, friends and even occupation where she could. Because of my character the effect in those relationships were not jeopardized as much as they could have been. I certainly preserved her character and impression amongst her social circle. I did not and would not defame her as she did me.

I continue to be propositioned by women in this industry, wanting to hangout and do stuff, taken out for lunches or what to go out and date and all that but in the end the intention and result is obvious...and no one should risk the chance that one for them maybe sincere because the risk is way to high and the odds are unlikely.
This is why I do not repeat...try not to...because the woman seems to latch on to me..and I cannot lie..i want to latch on to her the more I get to know her. I have built up a wall and repelled advances and like to think that I know where to try the line however with enough time,attention..friction..and mental conditioning...even the studious..most impenetrable walls are breached.
If I was gay then their would be no problem. lol...ahem.

I even try to avoid repeating...or repeating too much with a lady because I know it will be all over for me...this the case with Chloee Rose...getting to know her I feel that I will loose myself in her personality and life. However i know this will never be reciprocated, the illusion is there, but the sincerity is questionable...even though I don't have any proof of any insincereity of her character but the risk is far to great so I back away.

AM (Assmanath) and Mammo:
Reading your experiences..from what you shared...I am concerned.
Mammo, from what you have shared it is difficult to see the extent of your influence, but having gone through an experience you seem enlightened. Hopefully the relationships you have developed recently meet you with fairness and are unmotivated altruistically. I know the circle which you are close with...well the indy SPs..and seems like you have your fun.
I have had some run in with some of them myself. I have learned keep Rebecca at bay. I have learned to keep Chloe at an arms length as well. I did try to help Reagan...or more specifically promote her by a review because I saw her a couple times..lunch and stuff..but due to unknown before, now known, circumstances my offers were met with misintent and consequences. I do hope to talk to her and help her though what she is feeling but that will be on her own terms. It is safe to assume you probably know if you are close to the ladies and they talk. If so please let me know, and under any circumstances....this goes for everyone, as I previously dictated, do not relay any information about this...or anything in this form to anyone..no matter how friendly you are with them or if you think they are a SPs friend. (ironically an SP gave me similar advice regarding SPs..do not tell a SP about another SP or information even if you think they are friends/friendly).

AM:
As I said your experience paralells mine...however mine when on for 10 months or so..very fast and intense...the physical aspect was even at no charge...I guess we technically dated but for a very short time as I did end it and we continued as friends...non-physically..but emotionally she was very much invested. I was to an extent.
We have others here who have had similar experiences.

AM, please dont take this personally, I come from a place of....err..bro-love and you are a good guy..but there are several red-flags in your social history with the lady that should lead you to scrutinize the relationship evaluating your roll in her life and what you signify or contribute towards her...and yourself.
She is benefiting remarkably from your companionship more so then friends but is treating you like a "friend" and client...or an amalgamation of the two. As long as you are not being played its all good. Its a heavy financial & emotional investment.
If you are fine with that, great.
But knowing your history..i personally would not want to see her out of respect for you. So please let me know who it is.
....unless she is super duper hot...
..just kidding, i am sure she is, but please let me know.
 
I must be cold hearted because the minute I walk out of the unit my next thought is "NEXT". I've always considered compliments, "I like you" "you're sexy" blah blah blah as marketing. The only thing that would make me think differently is telling me "I want to fuck you , suck you and I don't want your money" then I might consider repeating a couple of times!
 
CT, thank you for your eloquent and well though out....thoughts :).

It's been a rocky road for me. Personally, I've been single for 6 years going on 7. I've tried to date a couple of civilians but as discussed on the board, I've ruined myself by seeing some of the most attractive and sexually charged females within my reach. I don't have any intention of putting any effort in to having a permanent or singular relationship in the real world. I'm also not mentally capable of handling one. I get bored easy but I do like familiarity. This is where the lady in question lies.

There was one point where I would have (and actively pursued) lady in question for a more real relationship. She assured me (again) she was not ready at this time in her life to have anything permanent. She enjoys being an SP when clients are good. She hates having to compromise and lie to her family of where she's going and what she's doing when she travels here, but then again, she's an adult and she doesn't need permission (as she tells me). I wonder if she really realizes collateral damage...who knows, but I've pointed it out; that is, not to steer her out of this lifestyle or to "save" her, just need her to understand that this industry is not victimless.

I understand that we've crossed the line in many ways. The fact that her family and friends know of me and wonder how we met (she's told them we met at an art gallery and had the same tastes...which we actually do and have been to the AGO numerous times). I was supposed to be out her way for business during a family reunion of hers and she asked me to come by, but my trip got cancelled. That would've been interesting....

She has spent weekends with me and has met my son and daughter; they see her pics on my phone and hear me talking to her all the time. It was gradual in the introduction but my kids said they would like to meet her and she was okay with that as well. I even sought permission from their mother. "Daddy's girlfriend" they call her. I assure them we are just friends. She's not stayed overnight when they are visiting. I won't cross that line.

The lady in question (if you haven't guessed) is Madeline of TDL; formerly Eve of SFT. I know some of you have seen her. It's a little weird, but it is what it is. She was a workhorse at SFT and would often text me in to the early hours of the morning telling me she was still working outcalls. She would tell them no more, but they would book her again and again. They would regularly book her 8-12 clients per day without any input from her; she would sometimes only get 4 hours of sleep. She was afraid to leave because Misha is a little intimidating. This might all be a sob story but she never asked or hinted about money or a hand out. And I can say with all honesty, that she wants to earn her keep, not have it given to her...maybe its my blinders speaking though.

I pushed for her to go with Liz at TDL after getting to know Liz and Don, I thought she would be a good fit there. She likes the fact that she sets her own hours and has most nights off if she chooses and gets to tour the city or do things with me. We spoke last night as we often do and it's a very easy conversation that we have. Rarely do we get in to industry talk. It's more about her day, my day, our business together, improvements on it etc etc... I did comment to her last night that we have what we have for now and I'm just enjoying the time as it exists. When it ends, I'll be sad, but i know it will eventually, so let's just have some fun.

CT, I appreciate the respect. I have the same with Mammo with Valencia as well as Muck with Rebecca...I will not book them.

We're a complicated bunch, aren't we? We have our civilian persona's. We have our A-Team persona's to our brethren. We have our board and social media persona's. But really, it's just one complicated personality.
 
@ChaosTheory - Thank you for your sincerity on this topic. You are wise beyond your years.

@AM - Looks like you are having a good time with your lady friend. But always remember that you met her in this hobby, so it will be complicated. Anytime you need a reality check, we are here for you. I will gladly give you a back hand smack to the face when you need/ask for a reality check...kidding. We are your reality check big guy.

@Rai - I've seen you in action. You are are ruthless slut. :LMAO:
 
Thanks KL.

I agree, CT is wise beyond his young years.
I welcome a slap every once in a while and I'd rather have it come from you guys than anywhere else. I am having a good time for now though.
Rai is the whoriest of man whores...
 
Never mind KL your just as big of a slut as Rai, if not bigger, lol.
AM: nobody in here will judge its a good support group, your going down a bit of a dangerous road in my opinion. As for your respect of me and Rebecca, its not necessary at all dude, shes an escort feel free to see her whenever you like, it wont bother me in the least. I dropped Tank off at the incall the night he saw her and had a beer while I waited for him to have his way with her. LOL. Just dont have the same vision Rai had when he went to see "Caramel", he looked at her and thought of me, lmao, dumbass:) Btw Rebecca is taking a few weeks off according to Sexy friends, I wouldnt be surprised if she pops up with another agency; time will tell. Lots on my tdl to keep me busy, just need to win the dam lotto to fund it.
 
Thanks Muck. Still, can't morally do that right now.

SFT really works these girls hard if they don't push back. I don't see anyone there worth dropping my Benjamins for lately. Dax was about the only girl left I'd return to see and she left.
 
Thanks Muck. Still, can't morally do that right now.

SFT really works these girls hard if they don't push back. I don't see anyone there worth dropping my Benjamins for lately. Dax was about the only girl left I'd return to see and she left.
 
Becca isn't a girl they could push around I get the feeling she may not go back there. She told Misha she will be back in a month but he seems to have the feeling she may not.
 
CT, I must say this is a great thread that has helped me put things into perspective. Hobbying is one of the best things that could have happened in my life! I still cannot believe how lucky I am to be able to f**k beautiful young women at this stage in my life –wow; furthermore one of the corollary benefits has been meeting the other Hobbyists on this board - I am one happy camper.
 
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