How do people support themselves on minimum wage?.

[Newers]

Doesn't even cover your basic rent.

 

[papasmerf]

People adapt.

 

[Andez]

Renters adapt.

 

[George Costanza]

You are posting in the wrong site dude. Better ask, how can they afford $250 for the hour.

 

[User-E]

They have 2 or 3 jobs, get roommates, move back in with their parents or become homeless.

 

[DannyDeVito]

They can't.

 

[Redskon]

How can it be fair for those that study and continue their education and barely make that kind of money?

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/10/15/montreal-rally-calls-for-15-an-hour-minimum-wage.html

 

[cristycurves]

They are called the working poor and imo deserving of the most respect. A lot of these people are good souls fighting to survive. We need to force our government to make changes so that corporations who make millions and billions off of their backs have to pay their employees a more fair wage. Minimum wage is modern day slavery, thank god for escorting at least in this industry we can demand what we feel we're worth.

 

[cristycurves]

You do like to twist things, free market is great, as long as those involved who employ others pay them fairly. I can charge what I'm worth, but should I employ someone I too should pay them their worth, anyone working deserves a wage that can keep them housed and fed.
As far as people making it because they have talent or work harder....really, tell that to the cab drivers who are doctors, tell that to the athletes who don't make it because they couldn't afford the equipment, or fees, or schooling, etc. There are lots of people who can't and don't make it simply because they were born to poor people or haven't been given an opportunity to prove their worth, or there simply isn't employment for their profession in their town/city, etc.. For many poverty is a vicious cycle, one that repeats. Success isn't deemed only for the hard working, nor the talented, it also takes luck, being at the right place and time, knowing someone, etc. There are many factors required in order for anyone to make it, other than working hard and being talented or skilled and the bottom line is any business that is wealthy, or becomes wealthy off of those they pay the minimum to needs to be forced to pay it's employees a living wage and as the minimum wage stands it's not a living wage.
As far as this industry, give me a break Primo, that's a poor example.....visiting an escort isn't anyone's right, or need, it's a privilege and as it stands any way, there are many who charge less than I, so the "poorer" could hire if they so chose. I suppose we then to should cut pet food costs, vet costs, also so the poor could have it easier when owning a pet? NO! As that too is a privilege.
More times than not, many low income people are better with their money than middle and upper income and luxuries and or other items, not needed to live, such as a pet or an escort or a luxury vehicle, or a trip around the world, aren't even thought about or desired. The working poor are to busy working and thinking of how to survive not how to indulge in items unnecessary to their survival.

 

[Ms.MelodyMerlot]

They are called the working poor and imo deserving of the most respect. A lot of these people are good souls fighting to survive. We need to force our government to make changes so that corporations who make millions and billions off of their backs have to pay their employees a more fair wage. Minimum wage is modern day slavery, thank god for escorting at least in this industry we can demand what we feel we're worth.

this exactly, i cant afford to be a mom on min wage, period. i cant even afford to be a mom on $12-$15/hr
so yeah, than god for escorting or life would be nearly intolerable

 

[cristycurves]

Well Primo, thank you for always remaining a gentlemen in our discussions,,and you are right I think with my heart often, more than my brain. When i posted before I wasn't fully aware of the exact meaning of a free market, now that I have a better understanding I can't see how you felt I was for it from my post. As my understanding from reading on the net, a free market system is one in which the price of goods and services are determined by the consumers, which is not the case in my industry, at least not in my case and a free market system is a market in which no one wants government intervention. Which I said should happen, even though I think that can often times cause more harm than good. So... as far as, how do we determine what wealthy is, what a living wage is, well we seem to be doing that now. If wealthy companies have to give up profit to enable their lowest waged employees to live with some form of decency, then so be it. I'm sure the ceo's of corps, like Bell Aliant, Mcdonalds, power companies, etc, can do without another Mercedes, home or other luxuries, after all they wouldn't have them without the little guy. There is a way of doing anything, if one puts ones mind to it, AND if one wants change and we take greed out of the equation

 

[cristycurves]

Obviously my intelligence doesn't allow me the upper hand in this argument. My knowledge of finance, science and politics is limited. So I concede to you I will end by saying a free market doesn't allow everyone a chance to earn what they're worth, that too is obvious.In this I see the problems, but I don't have the solutions. Now ask me about escorting, dogs, nutrition, art, those are some subjects I could have solid arguments and advice on. ( But perhaps not with you, lol.....I too am teasing )

 

[User-E]

@Prim0 were you on the debating team in high school? :biggrin2:

 

[cristycurves]

So...with art......why should some artists be "starving artists" and other make millions? After all, the beauty of art is in the eye of the beholder right? Should the successful artists be forced to care for the starving artists? Is it really fair when artistic talent is really very subjective.

Did this (Pollock) take more talent....





than this starving artist painting from some nobody artist?

Should the government step in on this? :biggrin2:

Doesn't the government already step in when someone is starving...isn't that called welfare Although it's not a prefect system, it is set up to help those who have fallen on hard times, in our free market system, so the government does intervene to a degree and yes I'm glad they do and should the wealthy help the poor, why not, in a sense they already do, since welfare is supported by tax payers. But....You seem to value and love and have more "scientific" knowledge of the "free market" so wouldn't you be best to answer your own question

All talent is subjective as is beauty, we can agree on that, whether or not some will be made famous or promoted because of it, is a matter of luck, timing, hard word, knowing someone, having influence, or influential friends, a combination of a lot of things, it has nothing to do with government or systems, since the value of an artist and his or her work is also determined by many different factors, which often go beyond, subjectivity and deemed value. Talent and fairness isn't one of the factors, not much I can do to change that, nor could government intervention, lol.
I find it a huge stretch to use this as a comparison to wanting minimum wage workers (who often don't choose their employ, artists tend to choose to be artists) to earn enough to house and feed themselves when they work for another who is getting wealthy from them. Artists, starving and successful, tend to be self employed, but then again, my knowledge of art comes from my talent, being able to draw, in pencil and ink, write poetry and decorate and design, therefore getting to know others who do the same, not however becoming knowledgeable of their financial inner workings, and or incomes, but I think I made clear, in my last post, my knowledge is limited in finance and "free or unfree markets and what drives or determines them

 

[User-E]

No....I'm just a pain in the ass with too much time on my hands. :biggrin2:


I actually find that these discussions help me to refine my thinking on matters.

I love having an outlet for writing online, although I don't write as much as I used to. I've been posting on industry forums for 6 years straight and have kinda burned out on sharing my thoughts on most topics.

I really enjoy your posts. :wink2:

 

[Curly]

What do you all make out of this?

https://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-n...ocket-after-minimum-wage-hike-passes/42473272

 

[papasmerf]

What do you all make out of this?

https://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-n...ocket-after-minimum-wage-hike-passes/42473272

Nature of the beast.
Cost is always passed on to the consumer

 

[Fuggedabouditt]

The fight for raising the minimum wage is endless. I was part of the working poor for years. I bettered myself in my education and chose a different career path but the end result was, someone gave me a chance and here I am 20+ years later in the same industry and making a damn good living. Sometimes it's not always about the direction you've taken.

The working poor have their obstacles for their fight as well. Bad customer service and people who are just plain fed up for working for "nothing" and not caring about their jobs or responsibilities leads to countless YouTube employee blowouts. It amasses to the general public's view of "they don't deserve more". Why do you think some of us are here? I'll bet you'll hear from quite a few of the ladies here and why is "It's better than making minimum wage" Yup, it is. Not to mention they actually LIKE their work, but everything has a shelf life and or, you've reached your goal and out you go - I love the retirement stories.

Perhaps not following some of the discussion here, but these are my thoughts.

 

[dragonrider99]

But you have to be careful about that "people with more can afford to do with less" argument. You have more than most people have in 3rd world countries. Should some organization come in and take from you to give to them? After all, you probably have your own home/apartment/place while there are people around the world sharing a small dirt floored shack with ten people. You are the "rich" in their view and what would you tell them? Are you willing to take any of them in to live with you? Are you willing to send them a percentage of your income? There is always someone out there with less than you.

So again, I say that the free market will take care of your concerns. If McDonalds starts charging $10/burger, would they just make more profits? People would stop going there and start buying from the other chains. What if they cut their prices by 99%? They'd probably lose money and eventually have to go out of business. So a balance develops between what people will pay for the burger and what the company can afford to charge for the burger. Again, there's no evil to it. Are their individuals in companies that become greedy...yes. And the company/corporation/shareholders should deal with that. It works by the same process....An executive will try to get the best salary/benefits package possible while the corporation will try to get the best CEO for the least amount of pay/cost. A balance forms. In some situations, the balance is thrown off by unscrupulous people. Those people should be punished, not the system.

Adding any kind of regulation is just going to throw off the system for awhile until it can find a new balancing point. There is no Utopian system that will let everyone get everything they want. The closest I've seen is that a free market will allow everyone to get what they earn.

All the do-gooders always spend other people money. If their own dough touched, they will scream bloody murder right away.


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[Madman]

They have 2 or 3 jobs, get roommates, move back in with their parents or become homeless.

So who are the ones being exploited and are really the victims,

A) the one working at Walmart

or

B) the young lady making $250.00 an hour and having some guy drooling all over her?

Ladies be proud of what you do and tell it to the idiots loud who think otherwise!