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How Ontarians Can Vote 'None Of The Above' By Declining Ballots

Baz said:
Conservatives are completely against prostitution but is this really enough to sway you from doing the right thing for our economy?

You think only Conservatives can fix the economy?
 
oldguyzer said:
You think only Conservatives can fix the economy?

Do you believe the NDP and Liberals can? Do you believe the Liberals and NDP will lower your cost of energy, products ect....
 
I can't believe the polls have the Liberals slightly ahead. Why would anyone with just simple knowledge of the billions they have wasted vote for them again.
 
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice Funky & Music

 
Then we have to vote for a new Mayor. That will be more interesting to chose from.
 
TommyJohn said:
I can't believe the polls have the Liberals slightly ahead. Why would anyone with just simple knowledge of the billions they have wasted vote for them again.

My sentiments exactly.

Then we have the tories who seem to want to torpedo our education system. Tell me how that makes any sense.

The NDP?........Well I'm old enough to remember Bob Rae. Enough said.
 
The Toronto Star has the Liberals up by 7 points. All other polls have the 3 parties very close.

Do I sense a bias poll here?.
 
Dota said:
The Toronto Star has the Liberals up by 7 points. All other polls have the 3 parties very close.

Do I sense a bias poll here?.

A crock of shixx, they are so bias I laugh at people that read the Toronto star.
 
Baz said:
Do you believe the NDP and Liberals can? Do you believe the Liberals and NDP will lower your cost of energy, products ect....

Do you really think the Conservatives will?

History lesson, Baz. Before the GST, there was a 'hidden' manufacturer's tax (or some such). When Brian Mulroney proposed the GST, he said the cost of goods would go down because the retailers would no longer be paying this tax and the savings would be passed along to the consumer. The GST went into effect, and prices stayed the same. Mind you the public ended up paying an extra 7% on most of those goods.

But let's look at Mr Hudak's history.

He has said before he looks at Mike Harris as his mentor. Yes, the same Mike Harris that did a royal number on the education system, the health care system,....Well pretty much every provincially supported system. Saw some of the greatest labour unrest in the province. His Minister of Education said they would cause a crisis in the education system, and when the shit hit the fan, they blamed the teachers for it. Turned back labour laws something like 60 years. And let's not forget the megacities. Yes, I said cities. Sure you have Toronto, they got all the press, but many other municipalities were stuck with it too. You want a head banger for that, check out the City of Kawartha Lakes. Said city is primarily farm country. Most residents of the 'megacities' were opposed to them, and pointed at how they failed in other countries. But Mr Harris knew what he was doing, ignored the 'minorities' and went a head with it any way. The Harris government also sold off many provincial assets in an effort to keep the books looking balanced.

Mr Hudak has repeatedly proven he is anti-labour, and has voiced his desire to undo many labour laws. Now you might say unions are too powerful (I say bullshit, but that's another argument), but any changes to labour laws that negatively affect unions with either directly or indirectly impact non-unionized workers as well to the negative.

One Mr Hudak's first electoral stops was at a school called Metal Works. While speaking about the benefits of the school and education, and how it was working to get Ontario back on it's feet, it was brought up that he voted against the program that was helping fund Metal Works.

The next day, Mr Hudak was doing a show and tell at a manufacturing plant. Again, while doing his spiel it was brought up this place was also supported by a program he voted against.

The the third day, while touting his Million Jobs Plan, he stated he plans on laying off 100,00 public workers.

He promises to cut governmental waste and improve services. That sounds good, really good, and when something sounds too good... I'm sorry, but when I hear that it means the cuts are coming from the front lines and that will affect services. What happened the last time the PCs cut waste in education, we saw cuts to teachers, liberians, teachers assistants. And of course the ever confusing 'extra curricular activities'. That killed me. "Teacher's jobs are in the class room, and not on the soccer field. Therefore they will no longer be 'paid' to do that." (IIRC teachers were 'banking' the ECA time, and using as spares during the course of the school day) But when the teachers withdrew their services from ECAs, the government quickly changed their tune to "ECAs are part of the teachers job." Of course they never mentioned that part of their job they weren't paid for apparently....

He has a plan to create one million jobs. I'm sorry, I've looked at his 'plan' and don't see anything there. Cut energy costs = more jobs? Cut small business bureaucracy = less business costs = more jobs. Well, that assumes the companies choose to spend those savings on more employees rather than show an increased profit. Nor does he really specify whether these will be part time minimum wage jobs, or decent paying, value added full time jobs. And seeing how employers are really digging the former right now...

He plans on reducing the bureaucracy affecting small businesses. Would that be oh...labour laws?

If you haven't noticed, I don't trust him. He's pretty much waking in lockstep with the likes of Harper and Harris. I don't like Harper, and I really didn't like what Harris did.


Plus there's my beef with Laurie Scott.
 
Should also point something of the man "looking out for the middle class." Ripped off of Wikipedia

Hudak attended the University of Western Ontario, receiving a Bachelor of Arts degree in economics in 1990. He then studied at the University of Washington in Seattle on a full scholarship. He received a master's degree in economics in 1993.[SUP][4][/SUP]
While in university, Hudak worked at the Peace Bridge on the U.S. – Canada Border from 1988 to 1993.[SUP][2][/SUP] In 1994, he was hired by Walmart as a travelling manager, instructing employees on the company's policies and operating procedures.[SUP][5]

[/SUP][SUP]Hudak ran in the provincial election of 1995 in the riding of . He defeated Liberal Aubrey Foley by 1,081 votes.[

So, his work history goes something like this...."Worked during the summer while attending university. Worked one year for Walmart. And spent the last 20 years in politics."

How much does he have in common with the common man.
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Prim0 said:
I have yet to meet a union supporter that thinks unions can do any wrong. You guys are like religious fanatics.

Care to use a wider paint brush?

I have an inherent problem with the idea of unions because I think along the lines of people dealing with people as individuals and based upon individual merits.

You mean based on who sucks up to you, and who your little pets are?

I appreciate that early unions did the work to create the 40 hour work week and increased safety and other very good things. But as with other issues, the pendulum has swung too far. Unions have become corrupted and have committed some very shady acts in the name of their workers.

Care to show me an institution that hasn't? And if you care to bother looking that pendulum has swung very anti-union in some areas.

My biggest problem with Unions is the "your with us or against us" attitude that comes through from every union member I've ever talked to. Perhaps folks need to step back and see unions aren't all angels and businesses and management aren't all the devil. There needs to be a balance in any system for the system to succeed.

Certainly there is a need for balance. The adversarial relationship has got to be reexamined between business and labour. Too often conflict between the two arise when there really is no need for it. But with that said, I do feel there still needs to be certain adversarial nature to their relationship. as much as they say they do, a lot of businesses don't look out for their workers. The union is there to look out for the workers, and sometimes that's not in the best interests of the business.

***I have been part of a union which I didn't want to be but couldn't opt out of if I wanted to work in that field. I detested that they would take my money and use it to support political groups with whom I didn't agree with. As a free man, I should be able to work in an industry without having to join some fraternity of employees and have to tow the union line. I want to negotiate my own pay and benefits and work conditions. I want to be rewarded for my own talents. Basically, I want to stand on my own. Unions have a name for people like that....scabs. Doesn't that tell you much about Union attitudes?

Actually the names we have for people like that are cock suckers, knob goblins, etc. You're the people who want it both ways. You want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to negotiate your own terms, but if they fall short of what the union's are, then you want the union's...Until you can get better.

How about you try that with Walmart. "I want the door greeter's job, but I want $15 an hour. Don't schedule me in before noon, and I don't do weekends." Let's see how fast they are calling you back on that.

Also your thoughts on pay equals one's merits, assumes that the employer treats/views all employees equally. In a perfect world they would. Sadly it isn't, and as such supervisors/managers have their favourites and pets, and those they don't like. As such popular incompetents get better shifts and better pay, while those with 'poor attitudes' but good skill sets stay at the bottom of the barrel.

And tell me, did you also detest that your employer took the profits from the sweat of your brow and used "it to support political groups with whom I didn't agree with."? Do you examine who corporations give donations to before you give your money to them? I certainly see why people object to unions donating to political parties/causes. And I used to agree with you. Then I considered how much corporations dump into the same system to push for their agendas....
 
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