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Jessica Lee on Humble and Fred

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I'm quoting Jessica from another board. I hope she doesn't mind because it's a great interview showing how intelligent and relevant sex workers are as opposed to victimized and marginalized as the Conservatives want to portray.


Miss Jessica Lee said:
what a blast ... here's a link to the podcast for those that missed it....


I'm introduced at about 53:30 ... but don't say much til 55:20 finished at 1:26:00 ish ...

Emily and Jessica rock and props to Humble and Fred!

We need more ladies to come out on daytime talk shows to show the public what the issues really are.
 
You are so late and behind anal one. Her voice gave me wood BIG time.
 
Just listened to the show and would have to say that this industry needs more women like MJL to be the voice for the industry.

She sounds very articulate and intelligent.
 
Miss Jessica's healthy sense of humour came through on that show. Loved hearing her laughter too.
 
I'm getting some grief from people who claim nobody wants to hear about how happy we are. That safety is the issue and that if we claim we're happy and doing well that will do more harm than good. I've been told I'm actually playing into the hands of the abolitionists, and that I don't sound like I'm against Bill C36 at all.

Well I am against it. I'm against my friends and clients being criminalized, I'm against the criminal code making an appearance in my bedroom. I feel strongly that we should not be legislating morals. I feel than any funds budgeted for enacting and enforcing Bill C36 should be focused on assisting those who want out of the industry.

This boggles my mind. The Harper dictators-ship claims all sex workers are exploited victims, does not your story and others go right to the heart to claim otherwise??

Keep up the good work!
 
This boggles my mind. The Harper dictators-ship claims all sex workers are exploited victims, does not your story and others go right to the heart to claim otherwise??

Keep up the good work!

YUP! and some people want to keep it that way.

I think the issue is quite a few of these nay-sayers are afraid that if the Happy Hooker story gets out, legalization with come and many don't want that. The want decriminalization.

While in a group, society still views sex work overall a negative, dirty, etc. A woman who enjoys sex period is dirty in the mainstream collective. Individually there may be different opinions but as a collective, sex work is a negative so anyone who has a positive experience is pushing the boundaries of the reality on that negativity. While I know many women who are proud to be sex workers, if they are mothers or daughters, or aunts etc, and they come out and get licences like any other legal trade, they will be negativity reflected on by society. So most don't want to write sex work as their type of employment, and lets be real, we know not everyone claims this income like MJL. There is that side against legalization as well.

I do wonder if there will ever be a day that while at some xmas party with the SO, a woman will be able to free say when asked what she does for a living, that she is a sex worker and she would get the same replies as if she was a SAM, a Tim Horton's cashier or nurse.
 
I do agree decriminalization is the better option but right now the focus should be to eliminate bill 36 and vote out the Harper government before they can do anymore damage.
 
This boggles my mind. The Harper dictators-ship claims all sex workers are exploited victims, does not your story and others go right to the heart to claim otherwise??

Keep up the good work!

It's not really a fair assessment of what actually occurred. There were a number of well established reputable sps on a couple of sites expressing their concerns. These are people who have a history of sex worker advocacy, and organizations such as POWER and even speaking at the hearings.

Including maggies toronto, and their concerns were with the original site, the way it excluded some types of sex workers. Since then, the site itself has changed, a great deal, after a great deal of unnecessary debate about those points. Which included pointing out to the folks who created it that a few sex worker advocate groups seriously thought it was created by abolitionists, based on the way the front page was.

Now it has become the equivalent of a 'when did you stop beating your dog' comment exchange. The original was divisive, and people problems with that. Some people still have issues with the name itself, but those are far fewer than the ones who saw that street workers were considered 'different' than the rest of us. The expressed their opinion about that, and eventually the site changed, and the majority of people who were expressing their very legitimate concerns about the exclusionary original design have been more than satisfied by the changes.

Let me just repeat that so there are no more misunderstandings/interpretations: MORE THAN SATISFIED WITH THE CHANGES, MORE THAN SATISFIED WITH THE SITE THE WAY IT IS TODAY.


Just wanted to keep people up to date on that. At the time it was introduced, i don't think there were any stories posted, just the opening description, which made it clear that there was a need for two different sets of laws: one for us, and one for them (them being street workers). Now if I had to guess, at least one of the people who was the first to express their real concerns has submitted their story.

This site came up shortly after the abolitionists created these two sites:

https://invisible-men-canada.tumblr.com/post/91055157895

https://atrickofthetrade.wordpress.com/2014/07/09/chris-atchison-johns-voice/

Plus a few of the antiC36s had spoken at the hearings, throughout which the proC36s were heckling and jeering at them, from their seats in the audience. Afterwards, a great many of the abolitionists started a twitter attack against these speakers, and the a trick of the trade site was created the same day Chris Atchison presented.

So the people who follow this from day one, the sex worker advocate groups, etc, were presented with the Happy Hooker site AFTER they'd gone thru all of that. Having Ambler also mentioning the Happy Hooker sitcom line to dismiss what one of them had to say at the hearings, it all added up to a reaction that was not quite what the HHC site creators expected. One poster on Facebook assumed it was as she puts it

(Look at this abolo crap trap! DO NOT RESPOND!) (link to HHC site)
Ok I take it back. It's the abolo vocabulary that triggered me. I had not realised it was irony. Too sensitive after this week.


However, i do know that the majority of the ones with the issues have now gone public to talk about their approval of the changes, and i think MAYBE it is time to stop talking about them as tho they still exist and are still working against the site. There will always be some sex workers out there who want to make sure that the public sees us as doing work, not just here for a fun time play time meaning we have to be super happy all the time and enjoy every single part of every single day. That isn't a realistic look at work at the best of times, and they do want the ability to talk about having a bummer of a day from time to time :)
 
It's not really a fair assessment of what actually occurred. There were a number of well established reputable sps on a couple of sites expressing their concerns. These are people who have a history of sex worker advocacy, and organizations such as POWER and even speaking at the hearings.

Including maggies toronto, and their concerns were with the original site, the way it excluded some types of sex workers. Since then, the site itself has changed, a great deal, after a great deal of unnecessary debate about those points. Which included pointing out to the folks who created it that a few sex worker advocate groups seriously thought it was created by abolitionists, based on the way the front page was.

Now it has become the equivalent of a 'when did you stop beating your dog' comment exchange. The original was divisive, and people problems with that. Some people still have issues with the name itself, but those are far fewer than the ones who saw that street workers were considered 'different' than the rest of us. The expressed their opinion about that, and eventually the site changed, and the majority of people who were expressing their very legitimate concerns about the exclusionary original design have been more than satisfied by the changes.

Let me just repeat that so there are no more misunderstandings/interpretations: MORE THAN SATISFIED WITH THE CHANGES, MORE THAN SATISFIED WITH THE SITE THE WAY IT IS TODAY.


Just wanted to keep people up to date on that. At the time it was introduced, i don't think there were any stories posted, just the opening description, which made it clear that there was a need for two different sets of laws: one for us, and one for them (them being street workers). Now if I had to guess, at least one of the people who was the first to express their real concerns has submitted their story.

This site came up shortly after the abolitionists created these two sites:

https://invisible-men-canada.tumblr.com/post/91055157895

https://atrickofthetrade.wordpress.com/2014/07/09/chris-atchison-johns-voice/

Plus a few of the antiC36s had spoken at the hearings, throughout which the proC36s were heckling and jeering at them, from their seats in the audience. Afterwards, a great many of the abolitionists started a twitter attack against these speakers, and the a trick of the trade site was created the same day Chris Atchison presented.

So the people who follow this from day one, the sex worker advocate groups, etc, were presented with the Happy Hooker site AFTER they'd gone thru all of that. Having Ambler also mentioning the Happy Hooker sitcom line to dismiss what one of them had to say at the hearings, it all added up to a reaction that was not quite what the HHC site creators expected. One poster on Facebook assumed it was as she puts it

However, i do know that the majority of the ones with the issues have now gone public to talk about their approval of the changes, and i think MAYBE it is time to stop talking about them as tho they still exist and are still working against the site. There will always be some sex workers out there who want to make sure that the public sees us as doing work, not just here for a fun time play time meaning we have to be super happy all the time and enjoy every single part of every single day. That isn't a realistic look at work at the best of times, and they do want the ability to talk about having a bummer of a day from time to time :)

Other than criticizing and complaining about the efforts that others have made to have their voices heard, what have you done personally shadowsun? Unless I'm mistaken, we've yet to hear your story or see your letters published?

Just a year ago you mocked the idea that the media or justice system would be interested in hearing about the lives and careers of SP's. Guess you were wrong about that.

Just curious. :)
 
they said I was welcome to return.... so I was thinking I might! Maybe they will allow Emily and I to take over the Panel Of Women and discuss the bill and the harm is causes in more detail. I'm down for that!
As a bonus it's free advertising for you. :wink2:
 
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