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Bazerko, Ida please post before the members starting bickering among themselves again!!:biggrin:
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Robintheboywonder said:
oh pls.... why invite this creep baz-idaho to my thread? isn't it nuff that Hof injected himself ?
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LisaOfToronto said:
Whoa, maltese and shitzu are are purebreds when they inter-breed they become malshies or shiteses.
Hey Lisa, seriously, where did I suggest what price you should ask?
Lisa, they are really cute puppies, but they are not purebred.
Never did I imply anything about price of your dogs
The sentence in red is, in fact, the only comment that I made in regards to your post.
I didn't comment on whether or not you would get your asking price.
Hey, if you get what you're asking or close to it, good for you, I wouldn't pay that price.
The only posts that comment on your asking price are #2 & #3.
In fact, the prices that I commented on were ones that I was involved with, which had nothing to do with you. You just over-reacted about nothing to do with you.
I never insulted you, like you have done to me.
Incredibly different what I did. I used public information about by-laws to my advantage and shared that with one other person.
Oh the breeder, seller and vet are still running a thriving business out of public housing.
Their advertisements are on kijiji daily. They know the risks they face in their set-up and I called their bluff to my advantage.
They breed numerous small dogs all year round and are always selling.
I could provide kijiji info or direct info, but I won't.
Your SP example is similar been there, been through that nonsense and it backfired on her.
Let's see I haven't insulted you, did not comment on what you should charge for the puppies, not mentioned area codes, city names or insulted any city.
In fact, my initial post has absolutely nothing to do with your puppies, except that I stated they are cute but not purebred.
Anyway continue if you wish!
Hey Lisa, seriously, where did I suggest what price you should ask?
Lisa, they are really cute puppies, but they are not purebred.
Never did I imply anything about price of your dogs
The sentence in red is, in fact, the only comment that I made in regards to your post.
I didn't comment on whether or not you would get your asking price.
Hey, if you get what you're asking or close to it, good for you, I wouldn't pay that price.
The only posts that comment on your asking price are #2 & #3.
In fact, the prices that I commented on were ones that I was involved with, which had nothing to do with you. You just over-reacted about nothing to do with you.
I never insulted you, like you have done to me.
Incredibly different what I did. I used public information about by-laws to my advantage and shared that with one other person.
Oh the breeder, seller and vet are still running a thriving business out of public housing.
Their advertisements are on kijiji daily. They know the risks they face in their set-up and I called their bluff to my advantage.
They breed numerous small dogs all year round and are always selling.
I could provide kijiji info or direct info, but I won't.
Your SP example is similar been there, been through that nonsense and it backfired on her.
Let's see I haven't insulted you, did not comment on what you should charge for the puppies, not mentioned area codes, city names or insulted any city.
In fact, my initial post has absolutely nothing to do with your puppies, except that I stated they are cute but not purebred.
Anyway continue if you wish!
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That's okay and I'm not related to bazjerko; however, Lisa might be!
No more pot stirring on this one.
No more pot stirring on this one.
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HOF said:
ya so there is my answer to your post
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LisaOfToronto said:
No such name eh! You're wrong again! Shitese, Malshie also Malti-tzu and Shima.
Shitese
https://www.shitzu-puppies.com/shitzu-maltese/
Malshie
https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/malshi.htm
Are you going to continue with the who asked type comments? Nobody asked, once again there was one comment made regarding your puppies being cute. The rest was about my puppy. Do you need this written slower to comprehend?
Sure my puppy was bred for profit, they broke even with me! As far as threatening is implied, I followed the public rules of what housing is meant for, they aren't, and it's my tax dollar subsidizing their illegal business. Why should I give them an extra 150.00 of mine, when they have ads in kijiji daily as their breeding small dogs year round. I bartered or haggled using by-law information, and it's ten months later and my puppy is fine. I guess that I'm just smarter than most of the owners that buy from them and the 150.00 saved went into purchasing essentials for the puppy.
What's going to backfire on me? The sub-human woman that outed me and attempted to cause problems for me isn't around and I am. The breeder, seller and vet broke even with me, how is that going to backfire? Paid cash, they gave me the documentation, deal sealed. Just where do you think that I admitted to being a scumbag?
People either like me or they don't and it's never mattered to me. If someone is my friend, it's unconditionall.
Anyway, you keep pluggin' along, you're a survivor, hopefully you earn enough to pay the expenses and purchase a life. (That's a small insult without using names or profanity)
This is an insult!
Do you require further explanation
Just why are you so mad?
All that I've said about your puppies is that their cute.
I never commented on your asking price!
Two completely different scenarios.
Do you require further explanation
Just why are you so mad?
All that I've said about your puppies is that their cute.
I never commented on your asking price!
Two completely different scenarios.
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HOF said:Lisa, they are really cute puppies, but they are not purebred.
My puppy just turned one and I'll have had him for a year June 2, 2012
He is a MalShi or Shitese.
A neighbour bought his sister so I asked for the details
The asking price (firm) was $500.00
Guess What?
$350.00 is what I paid.
I asked for the documents and read thoroughly.
I was given this information:
Breeder's Info
Initial Vet's documents
Seller's Info
Name, Address, Phone
I made my offer of 350.00 for one or 550.00 for 2, there were two left from the litter.
Seller calls the Breeder, they talk for ten minutes while the puppies entertain me.
Seller returns with cell phone in hand and now we conference!
The Breeder states, the puppies are $500.00 each.
So my reply was this:
I've read the documents and breeder's guarantee of health.
While the two of you were discussing my offer, I wrote down Breeder, Seller and Vet information, and you will accept 350 for 1 or 550 for 2.
The Seller looks puzzled, the Breeder is slightly laughing,
there's a moment of silence and the Breeder says no.
Hmmm, okay.
I say to the Seller, this is a nice unit, have you lived here long.
Seller asks Why?
Well, this is a city housing complex.
If you folks don't accept one of the two offers, I'll file a complaint that you're running a private business, puppy mill to boot with the City (animal control)(housing authority) and SPCA.
And, you can deal with the reprocussions of the Provincial and Municipal laws, and your Vet will be named in the complaint as well.
So, which offer do you accept?
Discuss privately.
$350.00!
Puppy $350.00
Crates $100.00
Cushions $120.00
Accessories $150.00
Vet Bills $705.00
Tags $65.00
The look on the Seller's face!
PRICELESS
So I went home with my puppy, he met the other dogs in the the condoplex, reunited with his sister and another neighbour's sister was visiting asked me if there were any left. I said there's one left, male, shy, looks like an oreo cookie. Would you like the number?
She called, made arrangements to meet the next morning.
Now, sat with her and explained the HOF's bartering system
I wrote everything down for her.
She asked, "What should I offer?"
I told her:
275.00
She paid 275.00
Under the HOF bartering system.
My puppy came home June 2, 2011.
My neighbour's sister's puppy came home June 3, 2011.
On June 4, 2011.
My neighbour's sister showed up mid-afternoon with 2 two prime rib steaks, two bottles of shiraz, a package baked potatos, corn on the cob and garden salad.
Of course, she brought her puppy, which she named OREO.
Oreo & Payton played in the kennel.
We sat outside with our wine.
My neighbour dropped by and joined us for a glass of wine.
As I excused myself to start dinner, the sisters went away.
10 minutes later, the neighbour's sister returned with 2 more bottles of shiraz
After dinner, we cleaned up, shared more wine, played with our puppies.
We watched the sunset.
It became chilly, so we put the puppies in one bed, they fell asleep quickly.
I clean up the yard.
As I was lighting a candle in the living room, I heard my name being called so I followed the voice, there she was standing by the puppies wearing only her birthday suit.
She said, I've had too much to drink and can't drive home!
So while our puppies were sound asleep,
we were fuggin'
here I centered it for you, cuz you clearly can't read or write from left to right
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Peace, Madman, Blissful quick I'm saving a seat for you. Don't worry about my gopher, he doesn't bite and loves popcorn.
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Hof, you are in the main event. I don't think you're allowed to eat popcorn. That would be like The Rock jumping out of the ring and going into the stands to sip on a fans coke instead of putting" boots to asses" and taking out Cena during Wrestlemania.:biggrin:
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[*=center]Lisa, they are really cute puppies, but they are not purebred.
My puppy just turned one and I'll have had him for a year June 2, 2012
He is a MalShi or Shitese.
A neighbour bought his sister so I asked for the details
The asking price (firm) was $500.00
Guess What?
$350.00 is what I paid.
I asked for the documents and read thoroughly.
I was given this information:
Breeder's Info
Initial Vet's documents
Seller's Info
Name, Address, Phone
I made my offer of 350.00 for one or 550.00 for 2, there were two left from the litter.
Seller calls the Breeder, they talk for ten minutes while the puppies entertain me.
Seller returns with cell phone in hand and now we conference!
The Breeder states, the puppies are $500.00 each.
So my reply was this:
I've read the documents and breeder's guarantee of health.
While the two of you were discussing my offer, I wrote down Breeder, Seller and Vet information, and you will accept 350 for 1 or 550 for 2.
The Seller looks puzzled, the Breeder is slightly laughing,
there's a moment of silence and the Breeder says no.
Hmmm, okay.
I say to the Seller, this is a nice unit, have you lived here long.
Seller asks Why?
Well, this is a city housing complex.
If you folks don't accept one of the two offers, I'll file a complaint that you're running a private business, puppy mill to boot with the City (animal control)(housing authority) and SPCA.
And, you can deal with the reprocussions of the Provincial and Municipal laws, and your Vet will be named in the complaint as well.
So, which offer do you accept?
Discuss privately.
$350.00!
Puppy $350.00
Crates $100.00
Cushions $120.00
Accessories $150.00
Vet Bills $705.00
Tags $65.00
The look on the Seller's face!
PRICELESS
So I went home with my puppy, he met the other dogs in the the condoplex, reunited with his sister and another neighbour's sister was visiting asked me if there were any left. I said there's one left, male, shy, looks like an oreo cookie. Would you like the number?
She called, made arrangements to meet the next morning.
Now, sat with her and explained the HOF's bartering system
I wrote everything down for her.
She asked, "What should I offer?"
I told her:
275.00
She paid 275.00
Under the HOF bartering system.
My puppy came home June 2, 2011.
My neighbour's sister's puppy came home June 3, 2011.
On June 4, 2011.
My neighbour's sister showed up mid-afternoon with 2 two prime rib steaks, two bottles of shiraz, a package baked potatos, corn on the cob and garden salad.
Of course, she brought her puppy, which she named OREO.
Oreo & Payton played in the kennel.
We sat outside with our wine.
My neighbour dropped by and joined us for a glass of wine.
As I excused myself to start dinner, the sisters went away.
10 minutes later, the neighbour's sister returned with 2 more bottles of shiraz
After dinner, we cleaned up, shared more wine, played with our puppies.
We watched the sunset.
It became chilly, so we put the puppies in one bed, they fell asleep quickly.
I clean up the yard.
As I was lighting a candle in the living room, I heard my name being called so I followed the voice, there she was standing by the puppies wearing only her birthday suit.
She said, I've had too much to drink and can't drive home!
So while our puppies were sound asleep,
we were fuggin'
So I went home with my puppy, he met the other dogs in the the condoplex, reunited with his sister and another neighbour's sister was visiting asked me if there were any left. I said there's one left, male, shy, looks like an oreo cookie. Would you like the number?
She called, made arrangements to meet the next morning.
Now, sat with her and explained the HOF's bartering system
I wrote everything down for her.
She asked, "What should I offer?"
I told her:
275.00
She paid 275.00
Under the HOF bartering system.
My puppy came home June 2, 2011.
My neighbour's sister's puppy came home June 3, 2011.
On June 4, 2011.
My neighbour's sister showed up mid-afternoon with 2 two prime rib steaks, two bottles of shiraz, a package baked potatos, corn on the cob and garden salad.
Of course, she brought her puppy, which she named OREO.
Oreo & Payton played in the kennel.
We sat outside with our wine.
My neighbour dropped by and joined us for a glass of wine.
As I excused myself to start dinner, the sisters went away.
10 minutes later, the neighbour's sister returned with 2 more bottles of shiraz
After dinner, we cleaned up, shared more wine, played with our puppies.
We watched the sunset.
It became chilly, so we put the puppies in one bed, they fell asleep quickly.
I clean up the yard.
As I was lighting a candle in the living room, I heard my name being called so I followed the voice, there she was standing by the puppies wearing only her birthday suit.
She said, I've had too much to drink and can't drive home!
So while our puppies were sound asleep,
we were fuggin'
wow you are a REAL PIECE OF SHIT and you have no problem bragging about it
Sticks and stones my bruise bones but names mean sweet fuck all to me!
I dont live in city or Ontario housing. My puppies are well taken care of, born & raised in a super clean, loving home not a puppy mill. But I am sure you've called the SPCA on me already.
I wasn't referencing you in any comment.
BTW: crates for small dogs cost about $50, cushions maybe $20, a vet bill of $705? for what? maybe you shoulda spent more money on the dog and got a healthy 1 instead.
Funny: you don't even know the breed of your own dog.
Really, it's you that doesn't comprehend that my puppy is a cross between maltese and shitzu (malshie or shitese nicknames)
on another note: a dog that is of mixed breeds is not any lesser of a dog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purebred_(dog)
You have a point here. There are varying thoughts on purebreds and crossbreds, all that matters is that a pet lives happy and healthy and when it's time the owner does right for the pet.
OH LISA
Where did I claim that I was speaking of you? My point is your asking price is too high. Why would I call anyone about you, I didn't purchase anything from you. It's good to read that you took care of your puppies. The sentence below was the only one in my post that pertained to you!
Lisa, they are really cute puppies, but they are not purebred.
Everything else is about the purchase of my puppy. My puppy is maltese-shitzu cross nicknamed
malshie or shitese.
Vet expenses first year. My puppy is very healthy and well cared for.
https://www.beattieanimalhospital.com/
A. 80.00 2nd shots
B. 95.00 3rd shots
C. 127.00 tests
D 128.00 tests
E 275.00 neutered
Food:
Blue Buffalo puppy 15lb bag 41.99
Blue Buffalo small breed 15lb 41.99
Dried beef/liver treats
Smoked bones
Accessories:
$99.99 outdoor
34.99 Travel
64.99 Puppy Jail
Bed 79.99
Living Room Lounger 29.99
You really should read the AKC notes on breeds.
https://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/index.htm
As usual Lisa, you lack the comprehensive ability to interpret information.
When's your next trip to Jamaica?
Malshi is a Mix between Maltese and Shih Tzu,
Shih Tzu is a purepbred
BTW, looks like you are the 1 with a comprehension problem ...where in my post did I ask for your unsolicited advice on how I should price my puppies?
I wont repeat myself and explain my reasoning for the price of 1 of my puppies, just that i live in 416 area code, not country side 519 or steel... I mean cracktown Hamilton.
You got your puppy AT YOUR PRICE cuz you THREATENED a person who lived in ONTARIO HOUSING with possible eviction. (wow what a nice way to always remember the history of your puppy, you saved a $150 and you caused the ppl nuff stress that OHIP will probably pick up the tab somewhers along the way)
Boy I bet the seller thought you was just a pleasure to deal with. What you did was along the same lines as if an SP told her clients to give up more money or she'll tell your wife/relatives/business if you dont pay up.
This shows how you conduct yourself in daily life. There are many words to describe a person of your nature: 1 of them that comes to mind is SCUMBAG
Whoa, maltese and shitzu are are purebreds when they inter-breed they become malshies or shiteses.
Hey Lisa, seriously, where did I suggest what price you should ask?
Lisa, they are really cute puppies, but they are not purebred.
Never did I imply anything about price of your dogs
The sentence in red is, in fact, the only comment that I made in regards to your post.
I didn't comment on whether or not you would get your asking price.
Hey, if you get what you're asking or close to it, good for you, I wouldn't pay that price.
The only posts that comment on your asking price are #2 & #3.
In fact, the prices that I commented on were ones that I was involved with, which had nothing to do with you. You just over-reacted about nothing to do with you.
I never insulted you, like you have done to me.
Incredibly different what I did. I used public information about by-laws to my advantage and shared that with one other person.
Oh the breeder, seller and vet are still running a thriving business out of public housing.
Their advertisements are on kijiji daily. They know the risks they face in their set-up and I called their bluff to my advantage.
They breed numerous small dogs all year round and are always selling.
I could provide kijiji info or direct info, but I won't.
Your SP example is similar been there, been through that nonsense and it backfired on her.
Let's see I haven't insulted you, did not comment on what you should charge for the puppies, not mentioned area codes, city names or insulted any city.
In fact, my initial post has absolutely nothing to do with your puppies, except that I stated they are cute but not purebred.
Anyway continue if you wish!
1.Originally Posted by LisaOfToronto
ya so there is my answer to your post
No such name eh! You're wrong again! Shitese, Malshie also Malti-tzu and Shima.
Shitese
https://www.shitzu-puppies.com/shitzu-maltese/
Malshie
https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/malshi.htm
Are you going to continue with the who asked type comments? Nobody asked, once again there was one comment made regarding your puppies being cute. The rest was about my puppy. Do you need this written slower to comprehend?
Sure my puppy was bred for profit, they broke even with me! As far as threatening is implied, I followed the public rules of what housing is meant for, they aren't, and it's my tax dollar subsidizing their illegal business. Why should I give them an extra 150.00 of mine, when they have ads in kijiji daily as their breeding small dogs year round. I bartered or haggled using by-law information, and it's ten months later and my puppy is fine. I guess that I'm just smarter than most of the owners that buy from them and the 150.00 saved went into purchasing essentials for the puppy.
What's going to backfire on me? The sub-human woman that outed me and attempted to cause problems for me isn't around and I am. The breeder, seller and vet broke even with me, how is that going to backfire? Paid cash, they gave me the documentation, deal sealed. Just where do you think that I admitted to being a scumbag?
People either like me or they don't and it's never mattered to me. If someone is my friend, it's unconditionall.
Anyway, you keep pluggin' along, you're a survivor, hopefully you earn enough to pay the expenses and purchase a life. (That's a small insult without using names or profanity)
This is an insult!
Do you require further explanation
(picture of fetus-caption: this is when you became a moron)
Just why are you so mad?
All that I've said about your puppies is that their cute.
I never commented on your asking price!
Two completely different scenarios.
*Lisa,*
It's obvious that you cannot reply without names or profanity!
I would attempt to help you understand that I wasn't discussing you or your puppies
but there is no way to translate
ENGLISH into STUPID!
for you to understand
BTW: crates for small dogs cost about $50, cushions maybe $20, a vet bill of $705? for what? maybe you shoulda spent more money on the dog and got a healthy 1 instead.
SEE BELOW!
Funny: you don't even know the breed of your own dog.
Really, it's you that doesn't comprehend that my puppy is a cross between maltese and shitzu (malshie or shitese nicknames)
on another note: a dog that is of mixed breeds is not any lesser of a dog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purebred_(dog)
You have a point here. There are varying thoughts on purebreds and crossbreds, all that matters is that a pet lives happy and healthy and when it's time the owner does right for the pet.
OH LISA
Where did I claim that I was speaking of you? My point is your asking price is too high. Why would I call anyone about you, I didn't purchase anything from you. It's good to read that you took care of your puppies. The sentence below was the only one in my post that pertained to you!
Lisa, they are really cute puppies, but they are not purebred.
Everything else is about the purchase of my puppy. My puppy is maltese-shitzu cross nicknamed
malshie or shitese.
Vet expenses first year. My puppy is very healthy and well cared for.
https://www.beattieanimalhospital.com/
A. 80.00 2nd shots
B. 95.00 3rd shots
C. 127.00 tests
D 128.00 tests
E 275.00 neutered
Food:
Blue Buffalo puppy 15lb bag 41.99
Blue Buffalo small breed 15lb 41.99
Dried beef/liver treats
Smoked bones
Accessories:
$99.99 outdoor
34.99 Travel
64.99 Puppy Jail
Bed 79.99
Living Room Lounger 29.99
You really should read the AKC notes on breeds.
https://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/index.htm
As usual Lisa, you lack the comprehensive ability to interpret information.
When's your next trip to Jamaica?
1. Originally Posted by LisaOfToronto
Malshi is a Mix between Maltese and Shih Tzu,
Shih Tzu is a purepbred
BTW, looks like you are the 1 with a comprehension problem ...where in my post did I ask for your unsolicited advice on how I should price my puppies?
I wont repeat myself and explain my reasoning for the price of 1 of my puppies, just that i live in 416 area code, not country side 519 or steel... I mean cracktown Hamilton.
You got your puppy AT YOUR PRICE cuz you THREATENED a person who lived in ONTARIO HOUSING with possible eviction. (wow what a nice way to always remember the history of your puppy, you saved a $150 and you caused the ppl nuff stress that OHIP will probably pick up the tab somewhers along the way)
Boy I bet the seller thought you was just a pleasure to deal with. What you did was along the same lines as if an SP told her clients to give up more money or she'll tell your wife/relatives/business if you dont pay up.
This shows how you conduct yourself in daily life. There are many words to describe a person of your nature: 1 of them that comes to mind is SCUMBAG
Whoa, maltese and shitzu are are purebreds when they inter-breed they become malshies or shiteses.
Hey Lisa, seriously, where did I suggest what price you should ask?
Lisa, they are really cute puppies, but they are not purebred.
Never did I imply anything about price of your dogs
The sentence in red is, in fact, the only comment that I made in regards to your post.
I didn't comment on whether or not you would get your asking price.
Hey, if you get what you're asking or close to it, good for you, I wouldn't pay that price.
The only posts that comment on your asking price are #2 & #3.
In fact, the prices that I commented on were ones that I was involved with, which had nothing to do with you. You just over-reacted about nothing to do with you.
I never insulted you, like you have done to me.
Incredibly different what I did. I used public information about by-laws to my advantage and shared that with one other person.
Oh the breeder, seller and vet are still running a thriving business out of public housing.
Their advertisements are on kijiji daily. They know the risks they face in their set-up and I called their bluff to my advantage.
They breed numerous small dogs all year round and are always selling.
I could provide kijiji info or direct info, but I won't.
Your SP example is similar been there, been through that nonsense and it backfired on her.
Let's see I haven't insulted you, did not comment on what you should charge for the puppies, not mentioned area codes, city names or insulted any city.
In fact, my initial post has absolutely nothing to do with your puppies, except that I stated they are cute but not purebred.
Anyway continue if you wish!
1.Originally Posted by LisaOfToronto
ya so there is my answer to your post
No such name eh! You're wrong again! Shitese, Malshie also Malti-tzu and Shima.
Shitese
https://www.shitzu-puppies.com/shitzu-maltese/
Malshie
https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/malshi.htm
Are you going to continue with the who asked type comments? Nobody asked, once again there was one comment made regarding your puppies being cute. The rest was about my puppy. Do you need this written slower to comprehend?
Sure my puppy was bred for profit, they broke even with me! As far as threatening is implied, I followed the public rules of what housing is meant for, they aren't, and it's my tax dollar subsidizing their illegal business. Why should I give them an extra 150.00 of mine, when they have ads in kijiji daily as their breeding small dogs year round. I bartered or haggled using by-law information, and it's ten months later and my puppy is fine. I guess that I'm just smarter than most of the owners that buy from them and the 150.00 saved went into purchasing essentials for the puppy.
What's going to backfire on me? The sub-human woman that outed me and attempted to cause problems for me isn't around and I am. The breeder, seller and vet broke even with me, how is that going to backfire? Paid cash, they gave me the documentation, deal sealed. Just where do you think that I admitted to being a scumbag?
People either like me or they don't and it's never mattered to me. If someone is my friend, it's unconditionall.
Anyway, you keep pluggin' along, you're a survivor, hopefully you earn enough to pay the expenses and purchase a life. (That's a small insult without using names or profanity)
This is an insult!
Do you require further explanation
(picture of fetus-caption: this is when you became a moron)
Just why are you so mad?
All that I've said about your puppies is that their cute.
I never commented on your asking price!
Two completely different scenarios.
*Lisa,*
It's obvious that you cannot reply without names or profanity!
I would attempt to help you understand that I wasn't discussing you or your puppies
but there is no way to translate
ENGLISH into STUPID!
for you to understand
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