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Why is our Government so stupid?.



TORONTO—New rules on the amount of money Canadians are allowed to spend in the U.S. take effect today, filling already struggling businesses this side of the border with dread.
While shoppers with a penchant for deals are salivating at the thought of being able to bring back more duty free loot, economists warn that the $20 billion lost annually in Canada to cross-border shopping is going to skyrocket.

With credit cards in hand, Canadian staying 24 hours or more south of the border can now bring back $200 in duty free goods, compared to $50 and the limit has doubled from $400 to $800 for those staying between two and seven days. And the limit for Canadians gone for a week or more increases $800 from $750.

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There continues to be no duty and tax exemptions for out-of-country trips of less than 24 hours. Volume and quantity limits on alcohol and tobacco products also remain unchanged.
Bank of Montreal’s chief economist Doug Porter recently said there is a downside to the new limits introduced in this year’s federal budget, specifically that Canadian retail businesses are going to suffer in a big way.

“There are already more than 50 million visits to the U.S. by Canadian residents annually ... (and) those numbers are poised to swell when Ottawa increases the duty-and-tax free limits on June 1,” he said.
Porter said even though the price difference between U.S. and Canadian goods has narrowed to 14 per cent on average from the 20 per cent, the cross border shopping craze appears to be intensifying.

The Senate banking committee is expected to report later this year on the causes of the persistent price gap between the two countries, despite near parity in the value of the U.S. and Canadian dollars in most years since 2007.

“A culmination of factors is likely to unleash a wave of Canadians cross-border shopping this summer in numbers not seen in two decades,” Porter said.
“There are already more than 50 million visits to the U.S. by Canadian residents annually ... (and) those numbers are poised to swell when Ottawa increases the duty-and-tax free limits on June 1.”

Porter has taken issue with the Bank of Canada’s estimate that cross-border shopping is less than two per cent of total consumer spending, adding that doesn't taken into consideration that Canadians don't always report everything they buy in the U.S.
“Even at a conservative estimate of five per cent, we are talking over $20 billion a year,” he said.

“If correct, that represents a real drain on domestic retail sales, employment and government revenues — a drain that looks (likely) to deepen.”
Diane Brisebois, the Retail Council’s president and CEO, told the Toronto Star Friday the new rules certainly do not help Canadian retailers, but before the Senate committee she was far more blunt, saying the government's decision to increase duty exemptions “is salt in the wounds of retailers in border communities.”

Brisebois said Canadians retailers understand that consumers are looking for deals and have every right to shop where and when they want.
“We can’t blame consumers … however, we are also saying we want to make sure consumers understand that retailers in Canada are not gouging them and that the reality is that there are two big problems for retailers in Canada: one is the import duty … and two is the multinational suppliers who have traditionally always charged more for their products in Canada,” she said.

For example, she said retailers in Canada that import sport goods pay 18 per cent duty while their American counterparts pay no duty.
Brisebois said Canadians have to remember there is a trickle-down effect when retailers are being hurt financially.
“If retailers are losing business they are not renovating their stores, they are not building new stores, they are not using contractors, designers, electricians, they are not hiring more people,” she said.

Meanwhile, speaking in Toronto today federal Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver said the new limits, which are now harmonized with those in the U.S., are long overdue because it means expedited customs clearance for returning Canadian consumers and making cross-border business and personal travel more convenient.
“Our government understands how important an efficient border is to Canadians and our economy. Every year, Canadians take some 30 million overnight trips outside of Canada,” Oliver said.

Stephen Fine, founder of online shopping resource crossbordershopping.ca, said would-be bargain-hunters are keen to take advantage of the new limits.
Shoppers had begun mobilizing to pressure the government into changing the personal exemption rules, he said, adding the 24-hour duty free limit was a frequent bone of contention.
Fine said the government’s new regulations have addressed those grievances, but have failed to eliminate the main source of inconvenience. Canadians are still barred from bringing back any duty-free goods purchased on a same-day excursion to the U.S., in sharp contrast to Americans who are entitled to $200 worth of exemptions when crossing the border from Canada.

“There’s been a lot of disappointment about that from our audience because the majority of cross-border shoppers are same-day shoppers,” Fine said, adding trips of less than 24 hours make up about half of all visits to the U.S.
The lack of a same-day exemption, Fine said, will almost offset the impact of the other rule changes on cross-border traffic.
Local chambers of commerce across the country and the Retail Council of Canada are calling for Ottawa to make immediate changes that would help them combat cross-border shopping.

They said Friday the federal government should immediately eliminate the tariffs charged on imported finished goods which, they say, add to the costs that Canadian retailers must deal with when they set consumer prices.
 
why do you all say that our government is stupid? because they now allow people to bring back more goods into the country?

If canadian retailers want to use the excuse that import duties are high here as a reason for the high prices then they really ought to take a good long hard look at their profit margins. For example: if walmart can sell a flat panel tv for less than you, are they paying less import duties/tariffs? nope, they're negotiating a better price.

If I personally can order something from a us retailer, and have it shipped here, and pay less (including shipping, taxes, duties) than canadian retailers do, then the retailers have to take a good long hard look at their business model.

As for the BS about building more stores.....ummm when was the last time you saw a new retail store or mall built in and around toronto? The last i saw was a new walmart out in scarboro and that was 8 years ago......

I'll tell you all one thing: online shopping has hurt retailers more than cross border shopping. I don't have the stats on me but i seem to recall that last christmas, online purchases increased something like 73% over the previous year.....and then that year they accounted for 20% of purchases...that's why many retailers are now offerring online buying.....like sears, walmart etc....those that don't offer online purchases are hurting (zellers).

One other thing that has to be considered: the sheer cost of cross border shopping to the consumer. I know a lot of people are dumb when it comes to this. I used to go across the border with a gf for a weekend away and pick up a few things.....but that was a weekend getaway, not a buying trip.

add it up, unless you're buying a big ticket item that comes with a 50% discount, it really isn't worth it.

Figure it out: gas is $1.35 a litre....even with a subcompact car it's going to cost you $100 in gas to get to buffalo/lewiston from toronto. Now add in one or two nights hotel/motel at $50 per night. Then add in food etc and you're talking $200 - 300 for the trip. Even on the low side, if it's $200 you'll have to offset that cost by your "savings" and seriously, if you buy the max at 24 hrs $200 your trip has actually cost you $400 so whatever you buy, you'll have to achieve a 50% price difference between buying here and the US. Now if you shop around, you can realize those savings here, or order online.

Now figure if you stay for 2 days to achieve the $800 duty free amount. So you're going to spend around $300 in expenses. THat means your "cost" of goods purchased is $1000. So you've effectively paid $1000 for $800 worth of goods....now unless you're realizing again a 50% price difference (rare) you're now saving that much over what you can buy here because you always see 30% or more discounts up here.

I buy a fair bit of work related clothes and safety shoes etc. If you shop carefully, you can get deals here. For eg: I recently bought bib overalls from marks. THey were $89.00 regular. They had a 20% off sale and i downloaded a marks rewards club membership discount coupon for another 20% off so that's a total of 40% and i drove 4 blocks to get it, cost me $2.00 in fuel.

I also bought a pair of work boots. They had a 20% off the entire store sale (4 times a year)....i downloaded another coupoon and got 40% off again. cost? $2.00 in fuel........

So if the uneducated want to spend millions of dollars buying stuff down south, more power to them!!!!
 
You make some great points T but I will add the Canadian Retailers are being shafted by the higher cost of good by their suppliers and the added costs of the tariffs don't help. Walmart negotiates better prices because of the sheer purchasing power they have. The smaller chains cannot compete with this. The government taxes us tax upon tax, hidden costs, suppliers charging more to Canadian Retailers than US ones is pushing people to buy elsewhere.
 
I always try and support Canadian businesses but I know it's so hard if not down right impossible now to shop and buy Canadian products only. Plus with the way the average working person is being squeezed I can't blame people for looking for the best buy.
 
Hey Repo, that may be well and true but having been on the frontlines of retail for 17 yrs I can tell you that they aren't getting shafted as much as you think....in fact, other than maybe a small mom and pop store, every chain gets amazing pricing on their items. Not sure if many of you know this, but Canadian Tire stores are franchises...meaning that each one is owned by an individual dealer. They in turn must purchase all their items via the corporation. This equals double dipping profitwise. WHat happens is the corporation negotiates the price from the supplier, marks it up, and resells it to the dealer which equals profit for both.

Now not all products were marked up this way but i can tell you that on a lot of items, the markup is 100% or more. I had access to the base cost of products and many of the buyers would sell them directly to employees. I dealt with just about every buyer and if I wanted to buy a particularly expensive item, i'd approach the buyer first and see if he could or would get me one. One example is when i had a boat, i wanted black mooring line. Now at the marina, and marine stores, it sold for about $2.00 per foot. Since the buyer couldn't get me lengths of it, he got me a whole roll......500 feet. Did I pay $1000? nope did I pay $500? nope I paid $65.00 for it......that was his landed cost. (not including getting it shipped to the office from the warehouse).

Another example is wood screws....you know that box of 500 you get at home depot or ctc for $10.00? They pay $1.00 for it.

Now this is going back aways but back in the day, i found out about an issue with offshore made walkmans (remember the old portable tape players that were all the rage?). I seem to remember they were received here without french instructions (a big no no) so instead of shipping them back and repacking them, they tossed them all.....5,000.00 of them. Know why? it was cheaper. I seem to recall that it would cost $7500 to ship them back to bc, put them on a boat and ship them back to china......and it only cost $5000 to toss them...that's right, $1.00 each and know what they were selling for? $19.99 at retail.....

As I said, there's some items that don't have large margins on. TVs, electronics, appliances, but still, when i was working for a condo development and we were buying complete sets for each unit, I dealt directly with the oem (won't tell you the brand). My contact told me that if i wanted a set myself, she could get it for me at cost. I was interested in a front loading washer and dryer so she priced out their top of the line steam cleaning duo. This is the one that could handle 14 pairs of jeans....normally sells for $4000 in the store...her cost? $900.00 (btw, that was cheaper than they were selling them to the developer) I didn't take her up on the offer because they wouldn't fit in my place but still, it was tempting......

One more example: I was working with a local store up here that sold kid's clothing and unique baby toys etc. They approached me to build them rocking horses like they saw in their distributor's catalogue. They just showed me the picture and description but had blacked out their price. It was wood, hand painted with metal runners and legs. I priced it out (their cost) at $56.00 based on them buying 10. They then showed me the price from the distributor (w/o shipping of course) and know what it was? $21.00.....that was my cost of the raw steel alone nevermind the labour to form and weld it, make the body, etc etc

So yeah, we pay more taxes up here but it isn't as bad as everyone lets on.......
 
It's really simple, they charge us Canadians more because they can, case closed.
 
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