People never change.

[Prick]

One you hit 16 or so your character and personality is what it is. If you were an asshole then you still an asshole now.


True dat?.

 

[Wanker]

At what age did you know you were a prick?.

 

[cristycurves]

One you hit 16 or so your character and personality is what it is. If you were an asshole then you still an asshole now.


True dat?.

Can't say I agree, as our personality is developed because of our environment and genetics. I feel if anyone wants to improve themselves or change, with work, anything is possible.

 

[bolt.upright]

I think I've always been the same sweet (more or less) guy that I am today. I did have a bit of an asshole streak when I was younger though, but I have mellowed with age.

I hope.

 

[luton]

Although in a lot of ways I am totally different person now than I was at 16 I believe my core values haven't changed that much.

 

[BEER]

Yes we do. I drink a case of beer more a week now than 6 years ago.

 

[IFUSEEKAMY]

I still hold out hope cuz that's just the sort of silly person I am. But ya, I've found people don't really change ...cuz they don't want to.

 

[Transient]

I still hold out hope cuz that's just the sort of silly person I am. But ya, I've found people don't really change ...cuz they don't want to.

I think you hit it exactly Amy.
If someone can identify something they need to change, and want to change it, I believe they can. Your behavior can be modified, by yourself, if you know what you want to change.

 

[Pamela]

Can't say I agree, as our personality is developed because of our environment and genetics. I feel if anyone wants to improve themselves or change, with work, anything is possible.

While I personally find very little merit in the genetic components of personality structure, holding more value on environmental and perceptual influence where personality organization is concerned, I do agree that the possibility for change is indeed possible if someone truly wishes to put in the work in order for lasting change to be fully realized and effectively accomplished.


Considering that effective treatments have been developed which are capable of addressing the common psychopathology of Cluster B disorders (the most resilient of PDs) in the reforming their reactions through a process of learning, self evaluation, self monitoring/questioning/rationalizing and therein allowing patients to implement a cognitive process of reaction formation in order to address their previous (unhealthy) behaviours, there is no reason why a non disordered individual cannot use these same methods in order to adjust their day to day functioning, should they feel it would be in any way beneficial for them to do so.

Dialectical Behavioural Therapies, and those similar to Linehan's DBT type approach, have been successfully used in treating Borderline Personality Disorder, various Post Traumatic Stress related disorders, and even AsPD/Psychopathy and its malfunctions for a number of years. Granted, these types of approach only go as far as cognition, however should someone wish to take things back to the point of schematics there are numerous therapies which would allow for that to take place; the majority of which are focused on common elements of transference, projection, appropriation of primary/subsequent attachments, all of which serve in developing a wider base on which empathy and compassion can be born- compassionate empathy being the key to deeply penetrating, long standing change where personality malfunction itself is concerned.


An interesting thing about life is that we (as individuals) are forever changing; these changes which takes place are all based on our life's experiences and how these things effect both our environmental perceptions and internal emotions. However, and within that, we (as individuals) are also absolutely capable of choosing how these experiences effect us in the long term.

In short- your environment may have shaped you into who are today; but you have full control over who you will be tomorrow and for every day after because life is about choices, not circumstance.

 

[Jacklyn7]

Sometimes people can change.... not because they are told to or expected to, but because they make the steps to growing as a person.
Like maybe admitting when they are wrong, and you guys were right >.<

One you hit 16 or so your character and personality is what it is. If you were an asshole then you still an asshole now.


True dat?.

 

[bolt.upright]

Welcome back Jacklyn!

 

[DannyDeVito]

While I personally find very little merit in the genetic components of personality structure, holding more value on environmental and perceptual influence where personality organization is concerned, I do agree that the possibility for change is indeed possible if someone truly wishes to put in the work in order for lasting change to be fully realized and effectively accomplished.


Considering that effective treatments have been developed which are capable of addressing the common psychopathology of Cluster B disorders (the most resilient of PDs) in the reforming their reactions through a process of learning, self evaluation, self monitoring/questioning/rationalizing and therein allowing patients to implement a cognitive process of reaction formation in order to address their previous (unhealthy) behaviours, there is no reason why a non disordered individual cannot use these same methods in order to adjust their day to day functioning, should they feel it would be in any way beneficial for them to do so.

Dialectical Behavioural Therapies, and those similar to Linehan's DBT type approach, have been successfully used in treating Borderline Personality Disorder, various Post Traumatic Stress related disorders, and even AsPD/Psychopathy and its malfunctions for a number of years. Granted, these types of approach only go as far as cognition, however should someone wish to take things back to the point of schematics there are numerous therapies which would allow for that to take place; the majority of which are focused on common elements of transference, projection, appropriation of primary/subsequent attachments, all of which serve in developing a wider base on which empathy and compassion can be born- compassionate empathy being the key to deeply penetrating, long standing change where personality malfunction itself is concerned.


An interesting thing about life is that we (as individuals) are forever changing; these changes which takes place are all based on our life's experiences and how these things effect both our environmental perceptions and internal emotions. However, and within that, we (as individuals) are also absolutely capable of choosing how these experiences effect us in the long term.

In short- your environment may have shaped you into who are today; but you have full control over who you will be tomorrow and for every day after because life is about choices, not circumstance.

I have to sleep with this brilliant mind.


You married?.

 

[Jacklyn7]

Thanks bolt

Welcome back Jacklyn!

 

[Louis XIV]

But ya, I've found people don't really change ...cuz they don't want to.

This exacty. ^^^^

 

[Louis XIV]

Sometimes people can change.... not because they are told to or expected to, but because they make the steps to growing as a person.

...but most of the time, a change in direction or behavior is prompted mostly by the simple fact that there is no other choice and they are forced to do so, not because of any personal epiphany.

Time will tell.

 

[Transient]

...but most of the time, a change in direction or behavior is prompted mostly by the simple fact that there is no other choice and they are forced to do so, not because of any personal epiphany.

Time will tell.

There has to be a motivation to change. Regardless of what precipitates the change, people can change if they make that conscious choice.

 

[Jacklyn7]

You may be right, but what you may want to consider is that often what appears to be a decision based on one event is often actually based on previous experience, recognition of a pattern, and then the desire to take the steps to no longer repeat, thus kind of obscurely being the definition of growth really, and initiating change in the process. But yes, time will tell. EACE:

...but most of the time, a change in direction or behavior is prompted mostly by the simple fact that there is no other choice and they are forced to do so, not because of any personal epiphany.

Time will tell.

 

[Boing]

Sometimes people can change.... not because they are told to or expected to, but because they make the steps to growing as a person.
Like maybe admitting when they are wrong, and you guys were right >.<

Just keep the drama to yourself. We all like it here don't have time for bullshit.

Now that I've said that: Welcome back.

 

[Jacklyn7]

You have nothing to worry about. That evil place, and its influence, is behind me for good. I should have listened to you guys. And thank you. EACE:

Just keep the drama to yourself. We all like it here don't have time for bullshit.

Now that I've said that: Welcome back.

 

[cristycurves]

While I personally find very little merit in the genetic components of personality structure, holding more value on environmental and perceptual influence where personality organization is concerned, I do agree that the possibility for change is indeed possible if someone truly wishes to put in the work in order for lasting change to be fully realized and effectively accomplished.


Considering that effective treatments have been developed which are capable of addressing the common psychopathology of Cluster B disorders (the most resilient of PDs) in the reforming their reactions through a process of learning, self evaluation, self monitoring/questioning/rationalizing and therein allowing patients to implement a cognitive process of reaction formation in order to address their previous (unhealthy) behaviours, there is no reason why a non disordered individual cannot use these same methods in order to adjust their day to day functioning, should they feel it would be in any way beneficial for them to do so.

Dialectical Behavioural Therapies, and those similar to Linehan's DBT type approach, have been successfully used in treating Borderline Personality Disorder, various Post Traumatic Stress related disorders, and even AsPD/Psychopathy and its malfunctions for a number of years. Granted, these types of approach only go as far as cognition, however should someone wish to take things back to the point of schematics there are numerous therapies which would allow for that to take place; the majority of which are focused on common elements of transference, projection, appropriation of primary/subsequent attachments, all of which serve in developing a wider base on which empathy and compassion can be born- compassionate empathy being the key to deeply penetrating, long standing change where personality malfunction itself is concerned.


An interesting thing about life is that we (as individuals) are forever changing; these changes which takes place are all based on our life's experiences and how these things effect both our environmental perceptions and internal emotions. However, and within that, we (as individuals) are also absolutely capable of choosing how these experiences effect us in the long term.

In short- your environment may have shaped you into who are today; but you have full control over who you will be tomorrow and for every day after because life is about choices, not circumstance.

You make very good points, can't disagree. Theories regarding how our personalities are formed will always be favored by some who believe it's behavioral and others who believe it's about traits. I have to believe in traits/genetics forming a significant part of a personality since many with mental disorders are born that way.
However, I believe a sound minded person can change aspects of their personality should they choose. Since the perceptual set also shapes parts of one's personality. We all perceive the world around us differently. It's a sensory experience. These differing views are often caused by expectations, motivations, culture, emotions, beliefs. All which can be changed, with work and understanding.
It's a long hard road for anyone suffering a mental disorder though. The diagnostic process alone can be draining and a battle. My best friend went through hell, wrong diagnosis, wrong meds, bad physiatrists,and still suffering 10+ yrs later. So for someone like that to bring change it's much, much more difficult. But with love and support anything is possible. My belief, anyone that is loved and given positive support will always overcome any issues
Btw-you are very interestingPraise-Bowing