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For a surprising number of U.S. hybrid car owners, the experience is one and done.
According to recent analysis by Polk Automotive, last year just 35 percent chose to buy another hybrid when it came time for a new car. Loyalty dropped even more, to about 33 percent, in eco-conscious cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco and Portland.

Despite a desire to help the environment, lighten fuel bills or reduce dependence on foreign oil, hybrid owners' decision to buy a second one comes down to dollars and cents.
"There are a lot of gasoline-powered vehicles out there that are much more fuel efficient, and cost thousands of dollars less than their hybrid counterparts," says Lacey Plache, chief economist with Edmunds.com.

Industry expert and UC Berkeley Prof. Harley Shaiken says the payback period for a hybrid often exceeds 6 years-- the average time car owners hold on to their vehicle.
"If you take two similar, even identical models, one a hybrid, one not, for the Ford Fusion, for example, you're paying a $5,000 premium up front, versus a non-hybrid," explains Shaiken. "Going forward, it could take 8 to10 years to make up that savings. If

you only plan to keep the car for 6 or 8 years, you are not going to see it. People are thinking twice about that kind of a decision."
For Los Angeles resident Bruce Cornelius, the decision was less about the cost, more about the hybrid technology and performance. He says his 2008 Honda Civic hybrid didn't get close to the promised 45 miles per gallon -- more like around 28. Echoing complaints made by scores of other Honda hybrid owners, Bruce says the electric battery system often failed, which meant his green car released carbon emissions just like the Mercedes-Benz he'd given up.

"They weren't delivering on the gas mileage, and they really weren't delivering on the green benefits of owning a vehicle like that," says Cornelius, speaking about Honda.
Some states have also put the brakes on tax credits, use of car pool lanes, and other perks once given to hybrid drivers.
Analysts predict the low repurchase rate will motivate car makers to improve the technology, and dealerships to lower sticker prices. They say it's either going to take reductions in price, or soaring costs for gas, to bring former hybrid owners back for a second tour.


 
I test drove one last year. The first 20 k's purrs like a pussy cat but has no pull or power. I don't blame them.
 
Check this one out.

[h=2]Shelby Ultimate Aero EV[/h](Zero-to-60 in 2.5 seconds / 1,000 Horsepower)

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and let's not forget they haven't figured out what to do with the batteries when they no longer can hold a charge.....

i forget which diesel, i think the volkswagen..passat? gets 48 mpg........

one thing i can't figure out is how honda can claim this high mileage, then not deliver and this false advertising is supported by the courts....a woman sued and won, then the decions was overturned......

i guess that means dodge is ok with saying they have the same engine in their 3500 as they do in a locomotive.....or an m1a1 abrams tank.....
 
I had a Volkswagen Jetta Turbo Diesel that would do 50 highway.
That car is 18 years old and still going. The current owner told me that he decided to drive it until it died and the damn thing refuses.

Deutschland, Uber ales.
 
Until Hybrids make financial sense to buy they will never catch on.
 
same as all electric vehicles.....20 hrs charge time to drive for 4 hrs? wtf?

A car salesman buddy of mine was driving a ford fusion hybrid and only put 20 bucks worth of gas in every couple of months. the performance wasn't that bad he said and when i was with him, i didn't notice much difference off the line etc. I wouldn't even mind poor acceleration etc in the city because you're only going to be able to go a max of 50 kph at any given time anyway....and most of the time you're stopped dead.....but the purchase price of the vehicle and the mileage (as stated) has to make sense.....

Now this isn't a popular attitude or idea but instead of going to all this trouble to make vehicles more efficient (and failing) and the disposal issues, why not just force people to cut back on travel>? I have been saying this for years; offer tax savings for people who live within 20 kms of their place of work, and have it decrease the farther they are. Then at a certain point, increase taxes on those who live at extreme distances. I worked at one place in midtown toronto and the freaking receptionist lived in goddamn pe****orough and commuted that whole distance daily.......I say if you want to pump tons of toxins into the environment daily, you should pay through the nose for that priviledge.......

Another thing that always got me.....shipping of goods and materials. I see constantly truckloads of lumber going south on the 400 and truckloads going north on the 400. So what happens is billy bob in bracebridge is building a house in toronto. He orders from jimmy joe's lumberyard and ships it down....meanwhile Conrad Beezelbub in toronto is building a cottage in gravenhurst and orders it from toronto lumber.....fuuuuuuck drives me batty.......

Same as unnecessary air travel. Sure, some people want to go to europe for vacay. Some people in europe want to come here......but when you get right down to business related travel, with teleconferencing, there is no need to actually go to brussels to meet your banker to discuss your investments.....i remember one time on a plane a freaking accountant was flying from new york to denver to meet a client....while there's an accountant from denver flying TO new york to meet a client....wtf?

Just like the commute in the morning.....i lived downtown and got a project in north whitby....while i was travelling east on the 401 there was another contractor who lived in whitby travelling west into town for a project......to me, it's like the indy 500 without any lanes, or some going clockwise, some going counterclockwise and some going across the infield.....doesn't work there and doesn't work in real life either.....
 
Madman said:
Until Hybrids make financial sense to buy they will never catch on.

This is a great point Madman. If you look only at the economics, you aren't saving anything. Compare two vehicles the Prius and the Honda Civic. Looking up the base prices of each model I find the Prius MSRP at 23,015 and the Honda Civic at 15,843. The difference in price is $7168 (not factoring any tax incentives).

These are U.S. prices and I know you guys are paying more for gas and...well everything, but bear with me. The Prius list mpg is 51 city / 48 highway and the Honda compares at 28 city and 36 highway.

I used an average of $3.80 per gallon for calculating the gas.

The difference in the base price models is $7168.
The Prius cost per mile of gas is (we'll take the city 'cause it's better for the Prius) $0.074 ($3.80/51)
The Civic cost per mile is $0.13 ($3.80/28)

This gives you a savings of 0.061 cents per mile (no maintenance is factored in just gas cost) to run the Prius. To recoup the $7168 you spent on the Prius...you will have to drive the car 117115.6 miles.

That is of course if the only consideration for buying the Prius is economy. If your concern is emissions, then it may well be worth it to you to consider the Prius.
 
tranny, you hit the nail on the head when it comes to the green movement....it shouldn't cost more to be green...same as electricity up here, harpo and mcsquinty (one or the other) mandated that a certain percentage of our electricity comes from windfarms...yet electricity from wind farms costs exponentially more for some reason....which is complete crap because it can't cost more to erect a windmill than build a power plant......

I recently purchased a pellet stove which is great...it uses sawdust to make the pelllets which is essentially garbage. In fact, most places that produce sawdust have to PAY to get it disposed of.....so these companies that make it are buying it from the producers....

same as pop cans etc....it costs a bottling plant more to re-use the aluminum than to make new stuff......

the thing that kills me is we pay an eco-fee on a lot of items up here. Instead of padding their wallets with this fee, the government should be subsidizing plants that recycle material so it wouldn't be more expensive.....for example, subsidizing the sale of hybrids so they are truly more economical to drive.....
 
tboy said:
tranny, you hit the nail on the head when it comes to the green movement....it shouldn't cost more to be green...same as electricity up here, harpo and mcsquinty (one or the other) mandated that a certain percentage of our electricity comes from windfarms...yet electricity from wind farms costs exponentially more for some reason....which is complete crap because it can't cost more to erect a windmill than build a power plant......

I recently purchased a pellet stove which is great...it uses sawdust to make the pelllets which is essentially garbage. In fact, most places that produce sawdust have to PAY to get it disposed of.....so these companies that make it are buying it from the producers....

same as pop cans etc....it costs a bottling plant more to re-use the aluminum than to make new stuff......

the thing that kills me is we pay an eco-fee on a lot of items up here. Instead of padding their wallets with this fee, the government should be subsidizing plants that recycle material so it wouldn't be more expensive.....for example, subsidizing the sale of hybrids so they are truly more economical to drive.....


I really believe it's a scheme to milk more money out of the public. A way of pulling the wool over our eyes.
 
it's all about (to borrow someone else's saying) profit at ANY cost......

As in my going off the grid thread, i can buy a decent sized windmill for under a grand. I can also buy a 20kw version for under 10 grand. that's enough to power 2 or 3 small homes as long as each runs conservatively.......yet when you get government involved, the prices skyrocket. Lately i've been running at around 3 kw per day.....(it'll be more in the winter).

If our government was truly serious about doing what's right, they'd be cutting their glorious pensions, increasing services to the public instead of cutting them, and offerring subsidies for all this green power....right now, there is NO subsidy for me going off the grid...other than if i hook up to the grid hydro one will pay me for electricity i put back into the system.

Knock the US all you want but there are all kinds of subsidies for people who choose to go off the grid.......
 
tboy said:
it's all about (to borrow someone else's saying) profit at ANY cost......

As in my going off the grid thread, i can buy a decent sized windmill for under a grand. I can also buy a 20kw version for under 10 grand. that's enough to power 2 or 3 small homes as long as each runs conservatively.......yet when you get government involved, the prices skyrocket. Lately i've been running at around 3 kw per day.....(it'll be more in the winter).

If our government was truly serious about doing what's right, they'd be cutting their glorious pensions, increasing services to the public instead of cutting them, and offerring subsidies for all this green power....right now, there is NO subsidy for me going off the grid...other than if i hook up to the grid hydro one will pay me for electricity i put back into the system.

Knock the US all you want but there are all kinds of subsidies for people who choose to go off the grid.......

I agree, we're being shafted with a smile. Now there's even talk about bring in toll roads down town. Fees , high energy costs it all the same as being taxed up the ying yang.

Sorry Repo I stoled your Ying and Yang.:shocking:
 
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