SEPTEMBER 2014

[Ryan1967]

Ok...well...I thought with the little head today and traipsed out to the far reaches of the universe (Hunt Club and Merivale) and visited Angel's Touch today. I was actually trading a few PM's with Angie over the weekend so she may alreay "know me"...I was hoping to see Ariana or Kimber (blondes, which turn out to be my thing) but neither were on. I end up seeing Hannah (red head, my other thing...). I opted for 45 minutes, which was 60$ (assume that is the stock price). The options are clearly listed on a printed page by the door (which I did not see) but she told me a nude massage with body slidesand touching was $90, which is I guess a bit more than I expected. Admittedly I did not study the options on the wall, but she did point out (as we were getting dressed and leaving the option I had selected. She offered FS but it was crazily priced...180$. I guess FS is off book and as such they can charge what they please.

Anyway, the session was pretty good, no kissing so that was a downer and touching was fine but no digits, obviously no oral on her or on me. The massage was mostly perfunctory, she spent more time on the body slides, which were indeed pretty good, only ever had a real BS from Alma and this was far better (pricier too). Her finish was pretty awesome. All in all, it was a good session, it was sensual from beginning to end, no kissing at all would make me not repeat since I know that is available from some but she said it is always a no for her. Also, we did not go the full 45 mins, so she only charged me $80, which I thought was kinda cool of her, she did not need to do that, but I was shorted, I was walking out the door 30 mins after she walked in. What I found odd was that my initial shower was alone, so I guess the clock was not running. Anyway, I started the "clock" when she came in.

The room was really nice, shower was great, overall a better but more expensive than my couple of trips to Oasis. I would go back, but I would not repeat with Hannah. I want to see Ariana, Kimber or Scarlet.

I am interested in the door fee discount...however an hour seems long for a massage that is mostly Body Slides and playing with no oral or FS...

 

[mmad]

blackram=

Paradise/Angels Discount

Yes, I'm interested.

 

[blackram]

Okay guys, I'll ask Angie about adding Mmad and Ryan, into her list.

As for 60 minutes being too long, it gives you extra time to get to know your masseuse. If you really hit it off with someone, you can have her do a more proper massage, and that can build up the anticipation better. I used to be able to get everything done with only 30 minutes on the clock, but these days it takes longer for me. I usually need a minimum of 45 minutes nowadays. Fortunately, a lot of providers accept a fee for 30 minutes, but they don't mind not watching the clock. I've gotten anywhere from 45 minutes to a 3 hour session paying only for the 30 minutes! That 3 hour session was an anomaly, of course. But really, the 60 minute session means that the girl will be less worried about watching the clock.

Now as for getting extra features out of your sessions, how are you guys going about trying to get them? So I hope you gentlemen aren't actually being real gentlemen when approaching them! These girls all seem to operate on the priniciple of, "If you have to ask, then the answer is no!" They respond much better to actions. If you want to feel up her butt, then gently brush up and down her legs, and then reach for the butt, if they don't object, then that's okay. You want them to kiss, then kiss them on the arms and shoulders and neck, and chin, if they don't object, then at least LFK is going to be okay, possibly DFK. Etc. Never ask them, show them what you want.

 

[Ryan1967]

Thia ^^^^ is why I find the massage industry so infuriatingly frustrating...I always want to know a woman's boudaries, not so I can test them but so I can know what I can and cannot do. Yes, I asked about kissing with Hannah, since I did not want to try to move in and get blocked. I don't generally have the finesse of a 2x4, but I guess going in as an SP guy I know what is on offer and what is ymmv, I usually have good varying mileage, but I usually know what is possible going in. As for Hannah, I probably should have done some research, there was a review on t-erb with pretty much my experience exactly on there, kissing off the table. One thing which she did like was being spanked on the ass, even on the pussy...she also let on that she loves getting banged really hard...but I was in no way shape or form ready to shell out 180 for a FS session with no oral, and no kissing. Anyway...I guess I have a lot to learn about the MA business...

 

[blackram]

Okay bad news guys, looks like Angie won't go for the discount, right now. She says she may change her mind sometime in the future, but the future is not now. Looks like my influence is limited afterall. She was even indirectly complaining that I might be using my discount too much! :Crying/:

 

[Ryan1967]

Thanks for trying Blackram...not a huge deal since I am not that likely be able to head so far west with any kind of regular cadence, besides, I think 45 mins is probably my sweet spot and I think your discount was 60 for the price of 45...so I would be out of pocket the same amount anyway. That said...I did notice a couple of things on the AT specials page...one is no door fees on your birthday... , the second is there si supposed to be a $20 discount for all featured or new "angels", given that Hannah was a featured Angle, it should have been $40 and not $60 for me. It does mention you need to ask for it when you book...but that seems a little off to me. Anyway...still overall no complaints about my visit.

 

[blackram]

Thia ^^^^ is why I find the massage industry so infuriatingly frustrating...I always want to know a woman's boudaries, not so I can test them but so I can know what I can and cannot do. Yes, I asked about kissing with Hannah, since I did not want to try to move in and get blocked. I don't generally have the finesse of a 2x4, but I guess going in as an SP guy I know what is on offer and what is ymmv, I usually have good varying mileage, but I usually know what is possible going in. As for Hannah, I probably should have done some research, there was a review on t-erb with pretty much my experience exactly on there, kissing off the table. One thing which she did like was being spanked on the ass, even on the pussy...she also let on that she loves getting banged really hard...but I was in no way shape or form ready to shell out 180 for a FS session with no oral, and no kissing. Anyway...I guess I have a lot to learn about the MA business...

Even when I used to see SP's in the past, I did not find the dynamics all that different from that of MA's. Or at least it wasn't 20 years ago. At that time, I guess SP's offered more limited menus than today. Even asking for a BBBJ was considered taboo back then, i.e. they'll try to convince you that you'll contract AIDS and die from it type of thing! Everything was covered at that time. However, I found that some girls would do it for you quietly, if you knew them long enough. You didn't even have to ask sometimes, one day they'd just forget to put the condom on you and start blowing away! This was obviously based on how much they liked you and were comfortable with you.

Then one day, slowly, these sorts of forums started to emerge, where we started sharing information about girls with each other. You'd privately share info with another guy about a girl that did BBBJ. Then slowly it went from PM's only. to emerging into the public forums. BBBJ became extremely popular, every guy wanted it. Some guys didn't want to wait to earn it, they wanted it right away, so they started paying for it. SP's saw this demand and began offering BBBJ for pay. So what was originally a treat they'd give to long-term customers, became a saleable commodity. Similar sort of things happened for kissing, which is now called LFK and DFK. Anal is another one. All saleable commodities now.

So what I'm saying is that massage is still sort of operating on the old-fashioned principles of giving stuff out only once you know the customer. Of course, Angels and Paradise have taken massage to a new level, and it's operating closer to how SP's operate, everything available as long as you pay for it. But even at Angels, you'll find some girls who will give it to you for free, if they've known you long enough.

 

[Ryan1967]

Do any of you have any experience with Vibe? Khloe caught my eye as I search for a replacement for Daisy and I traded a couple of PM's with her. I was optimistic since their door fees are actually lower than other places (40, 50 and 60) so I was surprised when Khloe responded with all in pricing of 140, 150 and 160. I guess on the top end similar to CMJ (which I think of as kind of the standard) or Paradise but on the low end she is asking for $100 tip...seems a bit outrageous to me. I think Paradise/AT (they admittedly have many more options at different price points) is still $130 for 30 mins. Maybe they are trying to keep the "30 minuters" out? Am tempted to go since she looks like a total hottie...but not interested in dropping SP prices for an MA. I guess my hunt for a gorgeous blonde MA continues...

 

[blackram]

Sorry, Vibe's just a little too far to the east for my tastes most of the time. And it's that damn Queensway construction traffic that is making it difficult for me. The other day, I was stuck an extra 15 minutes in traffic just to get to the Playmate and meet the guys, and that was during off-peak hours. It's affecting my ability to get to places such as Michelle's, Illona, Hannia's, etc.

However, a few months ago, I was pretty interested in seeing that Indian babe, Anjali, but she's gone already.

 

[Skinflute]

See you guys after October 17th, gone cruising!! :biggrin2:

 

[blackram]

Have fun, Skinny.

 

[Ryan1967]

Another disappointing trip to Angel's Touch on Friday. Had been continuing to lust after Ariana's pics and noted she was working Friday afternoon. I call around noon and book her for 4:00, receptionist says perfect, see you then. I fight through terrible traffic and show up at 4:05 only to be told that Ariana is not there and I can see Sasha or Taylor, neither are blondes so I should have bailed. But as always, I was horny and had fought so long on the roads that I wanted a release. I seem to remember some good reviews of Taylot Devine on t-erb, and she was sitting behind the reception desk. Took my shower and waited for her to enter. I asked for 30 minutes since when I asked for 45 I got 30, so I figure I should only pay for 30. Never asked me for option, and started massaging with her clothes on, I ask her if she can take them off and she agrees. Massage was ok, but miles from therapeutic, not very sensual, no reverse massage, no body slide, allowed some touching after the flip but finished me off pretty quickly. I was back in the shower after 20 minutes. Nice enough girl, pretty enough, brunette, but very chubby body. Not recommend at all...sigh...think I am done with AT.

Maybe I am choosing poorly, but so far I do not get the allure of the massage...I used to enjoy Loraine but she was so mechanical and distant, and while the finish was ok, the value was high for $50. I have so far dumped $140 and $130 at AT and had 2 very unrepeatablde sessions. My idea of going to AT or Paradise was to see 8's or higher...Hannah was an 8 (with a bit of a glasses nerdy look) but Taylor was a 7. Reading Taylor's ads you would think you were in for a sensual escape of monumental proportions...it was so basic I had to re-read the ad to see if I missed something...

 

[blackram]

:don'twantto-see:/Eh, poor you, thanks for the TOFTT!

I had a similar experience today, except it ended up ending better. Started off going to see Cougar Lilly at Studio Illona, fighting through that wretched Queensway construction traffic. I'm 80% of the way there sitting in traffic, when I decide I better call them up and let them know that I'm running late due to traffic. Angela picks up on the other and is apologetic, and says Lilly never showed up today! So I turn the car around at the nearest exit, and head back all of the way to the west end again.

Then I decide just randomly to give Luna a call, and Alexxandra is working there, aka Veronica the owner of ALO. It turned out to be actually a great session, lots of sensuality, full LFK & DFK, DATY, and body sliding. More than I ever expected from the owner of ALO. In fact, I'm sure I exceeded her own limits, as she asked me not to post this on the forums. :biggrin2:

 

[Ryan1967]

Lucky bastard...I did not know that Alexxandria was Veronica the owner. She has fake boobs yes? Maybe I need to reconsider my other self imposed ban on ALO... ...Do they have any blondes that are 8 or higher? There are some locations that are not bad for me. Also...I noticed on their site that if you book a day ahead you can save on your door fees...or early morning has a discounted door fee...Anyway...I might need consider ALO given that AT has been a bust thus far.

 

[blackram]

I think ALO should be easier to get the discounts. I know that Mmad already has a VIP card with them, which is what gives you those early morning discount fees. The discounts I get are no different than the VIP discounts, except I can get them anytime I like, as long as I ask Veronica/Alexandra directly, outside those hours.

As far as blondes that are 8 or higher, I don't know. I just realized that I tend to stick to my regulars most of the time these days. I'm not as experimental as I used to be. So I can't give you any advice on any girls that I haven't seen many times already. Even at AT, I only know a couple of girls, Sabrina, and Maya. ALO, I know Loraine, Jessie, and of course the owner Veronica.

Oh, apparently Mariane is coming back to ALO, she had a fight with a girl at Chantal's place, and is going back to ALO.

 

[blackram]

Oh, I just realized that I didn't answer your question about whether Alexandra has fake boobs or not. The answer is that yes she does. It is a bit of a turn-off, I'll admit. But they don't feel too bad.

 

[Ryan1967]

Another toftt from me last night...thread on t-erb...nothing really to add here other than something kinda funny...I knew her 30 min massage was $40 as per her ad. I text and ask about manual release and she says $60. Ok, I think...$40 for the massage and $60 for the ending...a bit of a steep ending, but still $100 for the whole experience, which is on the lower end, so off I go expecting to pay $100. After the massage I leave her with $100 and 10 minutes later she texts me that I overpaid her by $40 and if I come back she can give it to me! I was shocked but she told me she would not be able to sleep if she overcharged me and did not tell me. Like I said on my post...a really nice girl, not really my type at all, from Nicaragua, darker skin, exotic look but for a great massage for $40 and $20 for the HJ...it was a pretty good deal. I think other options are available, not sure what the price point is. I could not go back for my $40, but she agreed to put it against my next session...

 

[blackram]

Awesome, very honest of her, and a TOFTT that actually went well for you!

Now, I have a disgusting addendum to my adventure with Alexandra the day before. After I got back from seeing her, I parked my car in my parking garage, like normal. A few hours later, I went back down to the car, and I could not hardly even step foot inside, the whole inside of the car smelled like fish! I opened up the windows and the sunroof, to let the smell out, but it really wasn't enough. I think perhaps I didn't properly clean my hands or something after I played with her pussy, and some juice may have been left behind. So maybe it got onto the steering wheel or gearshift or other surfaces, and may have reacted and multiplied! I couldn't localize the smell to anything in particular because it filled the whole car! So I wiped as much of it down with alcohol wipes as possible, but there was no way that the smell was going to go away that quickly. And I was about to pick up my wife from her work! So when I got there, naturally she also smelled it. And asked where it came from. I gave her an excuse that it may have come from a car parked beside mine, perhaps they left fish in their car? Obviously I couldn't say it might have been some pussy juice. Next day we got into the car, and it was still as strong as ever, even after wiping it down with the wipes the day before. She asked me to look through the car and see if we had forgotten any food somewhere inside the car? I checked no food anywhere! So I got some Febreeze and sprayed it down, so far it seems to have worked, fingers crossed.

 

[Ryan1967]

Yikes! That is a powerful pussy! Did you find it smelly during daty? I have to say...I laughed reading your post...hilarious. Glad fabreeze may have arrested it but wow...I have never had pussy smell follow me out of a session.

 

[blackram]

There might have been a slight odour on her pussy during that time, but it was nowhere near this level, nothing that I haven't experienced before with other girls. I didn't smell anything on me after I left the session with her, and drove away. It just seemed to take on a life of its own after I left the car. I'm thinking that it was under control inside the pussy where it wasn't getting fed too much oxygen, but outside in the open, it went on a feeding frenzy. So whatever little amount might have been left on my hands and fingers was enough to let it multiply.

After DATY, I always go and rinse my mouth with Listerine, no matter what, whether I've known the girl for long, or just met her. I might have to be just as conscious about my hands from now on too. I think perhaps my hands didn't get as clean as they could've because Alexandra and I took a shower together, and I just passively let her wash me down, usually I would take control of the shower and soap and wash myself down.