Smokers help me understand

[Jeremy]

Why so many of you think its okay to toss your lit cigs out the freaking car window?


Or why you dirty smokers feel its okay to litter earth with all those nasty cigarettes filters?

 

[papasmerf]

All the taxes you non-smokers so kindly place on us, gives us that right.

Plus littering keeps people employed to clean the highways

 

[peace]

bad excuses Papasmerf! Smoking kills....so butt out!

 

[Bubba]

Why so many of you think its okay to toss your lit cigs out the freaking car window?

Does it hit the sign you're holding? :he: :whip:

 

[Betthehouse]

There are laws against littering.

It's a personal freedom issue. They don't believe the government has the power to force them to change their personal habits, just to make your life a little nicer.

A pile of cigarette filters by the curb and the occasional wild fire are a small price to pay for personal freedom.

 

[Pullmyfinger]

Compared to the farming methods of tobacco producers, the butts are a extremely minor environmental issue... Honestly, as far as protecting Earth... if you walked and dropped the cigarette, instead of driving and not throwing it out your window, I'm sure you'd be doing a lot less harm. Not justifying littering... I'm just sayin.

 

[Lorenzo]

The idea of this being a "personal freedom" issue is almost too dumb for a response. One has to be ten levels of stupid to think of it that way. How about my personal freedom not to have brush fires delay my drive to work - which costs me time and money?

Put your butts in an ashtray, you weak people.

 

[peace]

even better...just quit smoking!

 

[ShowmeThemoney]

I don't smoke and never have. However, with everything else going on in this country my answer to this is "Who gives a fuck?" If the worst part of your day was a cigarette butt flew past your window then life isn't so tough.

I have another question however, why is it that everyone I know who claims they are dead ass broke and can't pay the mortgage and are borrowing money to put gas in their car always have a $11 pack of smokes in their pocket?

 

[BRO]

I do it because since they outlawed smoking in public the ashtrays done disappeared. Car ashtrays are also on the outs. I have a pocket ashtray, but fuck that. I hate carrying ashes in my pocket. That shit smells worse then the smoke. :666:

Though, honestly, I usually just flick the cherry off and pocket the butt until I stop somewhere with a trash can. If i don't it's usually because i'm in a shit mood.
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[a 1 player]

To give you an idea of the revenue generated by tobacco tax...



Not including GST or sales tax BTW.

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

To give you an idea of the revenue generated by tobacco tax...



Not including GST or sales tax BTW.

Now offset this by the total cost of extra health care that is required through their life times as a result of smoking and what do you have.

 

[a 1 player]

Now offset this by the total cost of extra health care that is required through their life times as a result of smoking and what do you have.

I would be interested to see the comparison of costs between heath care for smokers and geriatric care for the elderly who do not smoke. I have a gut feeling which one is higher.

 

[tboy]

Now offset this by the total cost of extra health care that is required through their life times as a result of smoking and what do you have.

Actually, (and we've had this discussion before) the healthcare costs of smokers isn't really that much more than the average person as we die off sooner. It costs infinitely more to care for someone who lives to 95 with failing health than someone who dies at 70 from smoke related illnesses.

Once again, the healthcare costs of people who have health issues due to pollution from other sources is infinitely greater than those who smoked. I forget the exact numbers (and won't bother doing the research again) but last time I bothered, smokers put something like 1000 tons of pollution into the air and other sources of air pollution (I seem to recall just one coal fired plant in ontario) put something like 100,000 tons of pollutants in the air....and that's ALL smokers in Canada combined and just ONE source of air pollution. And don't even get me started on the amount of pollution caused by cars sitting idling on the 401 every morning. That brown haze over the highway isn't caused by smokers.......

Anyhow, as per the excuse that most vehicles don't have ashtrays any longer, I also do it so that the filter actually has a chance to decompose. What would you rather me do, wrap it up nice and tight in a plastic bag, put it in a landfill where they will dig it up in 1,000 years in pristine condition?

As for brush fires: unless I'm on a 400 series 4 lane highway, I make sure it stays in the middle of the highway and never throw them out onto the shoulder. Plus, and I hate to break it to you, but cigarettes are now designed to go out almost immediately if you aren't puffing on them. So the instance of a brush fire caused by a cigarette is pretty slim these days.....I seem to recall reading somewhere that older trucks produced hot ash from their exhaust that sometimes are still glowing causing a brush fire.......but you have no worry about that this year, not with the torrential rains we've been having......

 

[tboy]

I would be interested to see the comparison of costs between heath care for smokers and geriatric care for the elderly who do not smoke. I have a gut feeling which one is higher.

And you have to also understand that if someone smokes, and developes health issues, it is automatically associated with smoking. Nevermind the fact that it was probably caused by automobile exhaust emissions.......

I remember reading a report in the 1980's where they did a study at yonge and eglinton and how people jogged on their lunch hour. They found that a jogger, due to their increased respiration, and the amount of car exhaust being produced, if they jogged for 45 minutes they took in the equivalent of 10 packs of cigarettes....TEN packs, not 10 cigs, that's 250 cigs......I remember after the report, the company I worked for in the area put out a company wide memo warning employees to not jog outside at lunch. To go to a local health club instead........

I used to work for a company just south of the QEW and during morning and evening rush hour, the office would fill with car exhaust. It was because our clean air intake was located on top of the 2 storey building and with the sound barriers, the exhaust gases would drift over the roof of the building to be sucked in by our hvac system.....

 

[papasmerf]

Why so many of you think its okay to toss your lit cigs out the freaking car window?


Or why you dirty smokers feel its okay to litter earth with all those nasty cigarettes filters?

as a non smoker you have a prejudice against smokers and your post shows it

Now with that said you need to decided which is more important

the character of a man or his political affiliation

 

[tboy]

Why so many of you think its okay to toss your lit cigs out the freaking car window?


Or why you dirty smokers feel its okay to litter earth with all those nasty cigarettes filters?

I actually missed the last paragraph....

I could say to you, why do you feel it is ok to pollute the earth with your:
plastic bags?
processed food wrappers?
Tons of garbage? (I produce 1 small grocery bag, every 2 weeks, everything else is recycled).
Do you eat meat? The cows to produce that meat produce more methane than all other sources combined. Nevermind the pollution caused by feed delivery, solid waste disposal, drugs and meds to keep them healthy, plus the cost to get them to the slaughterhouse and then the processed meat to the store. Then the fuel consumption running the chillers to keep it cold until you buy it........

Do you drink coffee? How about the millions of coffee cups strewn around? (nevermind the asswipes who use the bed of my pickup as their personal trash can).....

How about the idiots who drink bottled water? Those empty bottles will be around for thousands of years........

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

Actually, (and we've had this discussion before) the healthcare costs of smokers isn't really that much more than the average person as we die off sooner. It costs infinitely more to care for someone who lives to 95 with failing health than someone who dies at 70 from smoke related illnesses.

Jesus you and your confounded logic again. I admit you do have a point though,lol.

 

[TINY]

You know what also ticks me off, a cell phone. Every broke ass has a butt in one hand and the cell in the other.

I own a two family and rent out the second floor. last year the tenant lost his job and was having a hard time. I was trying to work with him until I got home for the fifth day in a row to find him sitting in my stairs smoking and talking on the cell phone after I just got home from a ten hour day. I'm like "Are you kidding?" I feel bad stopping for a dunkin donuts coffee when I have a kuerig at home and this clown is buying $100 plus cartons of cigarette's and taking advantage of me.

 

[tboy]

I feel for you tiny, my niece was harping on being broke and wanting a load and after I loaned her the money I find out she's got yet another smart phone...better than the one I have......

I can sort of understand the cig issue though, it's a stronger addiction than heroin.....yet the government doesn't sponsor stop smoking programs yet does for heroin.....(because they colllect so much tax revenue from them they really don't want people quitting...)

Bosco: LOL it isn't MY logic, I got the data online somewhere...I think it was health canada or something like that.....kind of buried because they really don't want people knowing that.......

I saw a program on "end of life" and they highlighted people who are basically in a vegetative state and the cost to keep them alive. The family doesn't want the plug pulled so who foots the bill? you and I...well, maybe not YOU in particular.......but still. 85 yrs old. No chance to ever sit up let alone walk. No chance to ever speak again. Basically a tomato. Yet (if I remember correctly) it costs $250,000.00 a year to keep them on the machines.....why? Pure selfishness IMO......

Me? My doctor knows, and my family that if I ever get into a situation where I'm brain dead, pull the fricken plug.......Even if I become quadraplegic.....I wouldn't want to live like that......