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SP Websites- From the Hobby POV

Bear669

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{Transplanted from Otherland}

Obviously these are my opinions, and I would certainly be interested in other comments.

First some general observations about sites, nothing specific to SPs.

1)99% of the people who go to ANY site do not give a shit about the latest technology. We do not want to be bothered with ‘cookies’:neutral:, downloading software or other tech jargon.

2)99% of the people who go to ANY site do not give a shit about creative effects, art, fonts, animation or sparkles.

3)99% of the people who go to ANY site want to a) find something, b) maybe buy something.

ANYTHING that distracts from #3 drives customer away. Even if you are selling your creative art services : PUT SAMPLES IN A GALLERY.
Unfortunately too many business get drawn in by designers who (with no malice) want to show off:slap:, and totally forget to help the client SELL.

EVERY business, in EVERY way needs to have or develop a strong sense of “ Who Are My Clients?”. This clearly goes far beyond just web design.

SP Sites
No matter how you define your niche, or strengths (or no no’s) you must look at these issues from the client point of view. Standard business maxim-
You want to attract as many clients as you can, who give you as much money as possible, with as little hassle as possible.
You can get detailed with this but:
You want to attract MEN. Paying women are rare. Trying to impress gal pals or other SPs is an utter waste of time.
You want to attract MEN with MONEY. On average, older men have more money by far, and older men have less interest in technology.
You can carry this forward several levels, but on to other points:

The sex industry is capitalism at its rawest. You have COMPETITION, and men can scan 100 sites in 59 seconds. We often make decisions on 1 or 2 facts in an entire site-
“Yeah, great tits!”:intello:
“Nah, too expensive” (and thats ok too, saves him wasting your time)

You actually want your site to have a basic layout like EVERYONE elses!
If I have looked at 10 sites and can quickly find, gallery, rates and contact, while your tabs are hidden under exploding rosebuds; I’m gone.

Where do we go first? The GALLERY! This is a whole topic on its own but remember-
Professional shots are almost always worth the cost.
Whether you go with hard core porn, hidden face naked, or cute peek –a-boo, there are shots that make you look your best, and shots that do not.
Check out Brynn Winters pics (Reigning HUBGFE Avatar Queen). It doesnt get much better.

Where do we go next? Services- Rates- CONTACT, CONTACT, CONTACT.

Having said all of the above, it is entirely GOOD to have a blog or diary (if you can write), a gallery of your photos/paintings/ sculpture (if you can shoot/paint/sculpt). Many clients are ’closed’ by wit, intelligence and thoughtful insight (www or posts).

WYSIWYG & KISS. The foundation of all good technology.:great:
 
Variety is the spice of life, if everybody followed those guidelines what would you look at?

While your comments and opinion are certainly valid they really only tell a lady how to attract you (and others in your demographic) as a client. Each client will have different preferences and it is up to each lady/agency to determine how to build a site that will appeal to that demographic. As an example there are a number of clients that express a preference for amateur photos, I myself prefer professional images but I respect the fact that some clients prefer amateur images and they will seek out a lady that uses them. One is not wrong for using them and the ladies that use them are not inferior in any way they are just targeting a different market.

As far your belief that 99% of visitors do not care about the style of the page I would beg to differ, having built my own site I have found that I receive a number of emails with comments and inquiries about my selections. It's been quite some time since I launched my latest version of my site but even last month I received a note from someone complimenting me on my change from my previous banners to my current ones and yes they did mention the change in font as well. :)
 
Kyra.Graves said:
As far your belief that 99% of visitors do not care about the style of the page I would beg to differ, having built my own site . . .

You've got style, Kyra. And class, and smarts, too. Love the combo.

I suspect the elegance and clarity of your website is exactly what Bear is suggesting others should strive for.
 
Bear669 said:
{Transplanted from Otherland}

Obviously these are my opinions, and I would certainly be interested in other comments.

First some general observations about sites, nothing specific to SPs.

1)99% of the people who go to ANY site do not give a shit about the latest technology. We do not want to be bothered with ‘cookies’:neutral:, downloading software or other tech jargon.

2)99% of the people who go to ANY site do not give a shit about creative effects, art, fonts, animation or sparkles.

3)99% of the people who go to ANY site want to a) find something, b) maybe buy something.

ANYTHING that distracts from #3 drives customer away. Even if you are selling your creative art services : PUT SAMPLES IN A GALLERY.
Unfortunately too many business get drawn in by designers who (with no malice) want to show off:slap:, and totally forget to help the client SELL.

EVERY business, in EVERY way needs to have or develop a strong sense of “ Who Are My Clients?”. This clearly goes far beyond just web design.

SP Sites
No matter how you define your niche, or strengths (or no no’s) you must look at these issues from the client point of view. Standard business maxim-
You want to attract as many clients as you can, who give you as much money as possible, with as little hassle as possible.
You can get detailed with this but:
You want to attract MEN. Paying women are rare. Trying to impress gal pals or other SPs is an utter waste of time.
You want to attract MEN with MONEY. On average, older men have more money by far, and older men have less interest in technology.
You can carry this forward several levels, but on to other points:

The sex industry is capitalism at its rawest. You have COMPETITION, and men can scan 100 sites in 59 seconds. We often make decisions on 1 or 2 facts in an entire site-
“Yeah, great tits!”:intello:
“Nah, too expensive” (and thats ok too, saves him wasting your time)

You actually want your site to have a basic layout like EVERYONE elses!
If I have looked at 10 sites and can quickly find, gallery, rates and contact, while your tabs are hidden under exploding rosebuds; I’m gone.

Where do we go first? The GALLERY! This is a whole topic on its own but remember-
Professional shots are almost always worth the cost.
Whether you go with hard core porn, hidden face naked, or cute peek –a-boo, there are shots that make you look your best, and shots that do not.
Check out Brynn Winters pics (Reigning HUBGFE Avatar Queen). It doesnt get much better.

Where do we go next? Services- Rates- CONTACT, CONTACT, CONTACT.

Having said all of the above, it is entirely GOOD to have a blog or diary (if you can write), a gallery of your photos/paintings/ sculpture (if you can shoot/paint/sculpt). Many clients are ’closed’ by wit, intelligence and thoughtful insight (www or posts).

WYSIWYG & KISS. The foundation of all good technology.:great:


You have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNYKxiRJ2LA
 
Kyra.Graves said:
Variety is the spice of life, if everybody followed those guidelines what would you look at?

While your comments and opinion are certainly valid they really only tell a lady how to attract you (and others in your demographic) as a client. Each client will have different preferences and it is up to each lady/agency to determine how to build a site that will appeal to that demographic. As an example there are a number of clients that express a preference for amateur photos, I myself prefer professional images but I respect the fact that some clients prefer amateur images and they will seek out a lady that uses them. One is not wrong for using them and the ladies that use them are not inferior in any way they are just targeting a different market.

As far your belief that 99% of visitors do not care about the style of the page I would beg to differ, having built my own site I have found that I receive a number of emails with comments and inquiries about my selections. It's been quite some time since I launched my latest version of my site but even last month I received a note from someone complimenting me on my change from my previous banners to my current ones and yes they did mention the change in font as well. :)

You got soul, You got class, You got style and You got ASS!
 
The site is very important. It is the first point of contact for most hobbyist and I agree with Bear, cut out the frilly gobblygook and concentrate and the Gallery, Rates, contact. These are the only 3 things I look at.
 
I have to agree with Da Bear: simpler the better for me too. I think Kyra's site is about as straightforward as you can get.

I positively HATE sites that have drifting rose petals falling across my screen or cheesy music in the background.

I've noticed the trend now is to have pop up windows showing the lady's photos. Then you have to scroll through them and if they're different sizes? You have to search for the "next" button and the "close" button. I like it when you click on a woman's photo and a page appears with her description and all her photos in a relatively large size on the same page. I can scroll down quickly and hit the back button to see the main page.
 
Very good points Bear . Personally I avoid those sites with the "rate" button in the bottom right corner . Annoying as my habit is to scroll down by clicking on arrow in bottom right .
Sites that ask for money just to view "members" pictures spells nickle and dimer to me .

Big clear font should always be used as it isn't 20 year olds with 20/20 vision scanning these websites (LOL) .
A little creativity can be fun but shouldn't interfere with viewability .
 
Verrrry interesting...

Verrrry interesting...

Kyra.Graves said:
Variety is the spice of life, if everybody followed those guidelines what would you look at?

While your comments and opinion are certainly valid they really only tell a lady how to attract you (and others in your demographic) as a client. Each client will have different preferences and it is up to each lady/agency to determine how to build a site that will appeal to that demographic. As an example there are a number of clients that express a preference for amateur photos, I myself prefer professional images but I respect the fact that some clients prefer amateur images and they will seek out a lady that uses them. One is not wrong for using them and the ladies that use them are not inferior in any way they are just targeting a different market.

As far your belief that 99% of visitors do not care about the style of the page I would beg to differ, having built my own site I have found that I receive a number of emails with comments and inquiries about my selections. It's been quite some time since I launched my latest version of my site but even last month I received a note from someone complimenting me on my change from my previous banners to my current ones and yes they did mention the change in font as well. :)

Not sure :neutral:why anyone would prefer amateur shots (of course any particular amateur pic might be better than any particular pro shot).

Can you 'splain more as you understand it and from your client POV?
 
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