Teachers walking out tomorrow

[Madman]

The gains made by past employees have always been a sacred cow. Collective bargaining is suppose to work like the NHL CBA agreement was hashed out. Neither side ended up with everything they wanted. They both gave in and both gained, it was fair. The way the Liberals went about this round of negotiations was far from fair.

The school boards spend money like drunken sailors and it's not on wages.

This will end up in court and I would be willing to wager the Ontario government will be paying a lot of back wages in about 3 years. The unfortunate part will be the Liberals will not be in power and will not take the heat for it. There is an old saying within the union ranks "pay now or pay me later" it's like money in the bank.

If I were running the teacher's association tomorrow would not be taking place. All extracurricular activities would be halted but no strike or protest instead wait for the court battle with a smile on my face.

 

[RAWD]

Past achievements may be regarded as sacred cows. But at some point, enough is enough. As I heard recently, these pigs aren't going to slaughter themselves. That's why our not-so-beloved Mayor Ford was able to ram through his garbage contracts, city cleaners, etc. At some point, unions get so big and so powerful (pay now or pay later), that they lose the public sympathy. Once a union asserts itself as having more power than the employer, it's no longer David and Goliath. It's USA vs. USSR.


Good point about court action. I would think the unions have strong arguments over past rights based on actual and implied contracts.

 

[thesun]

I personally think if teachers were paid accordingly, there is no need for a union. As of now, I do not think they earn enough and there are many other professionals with degrees earn more than them while working half of the hours teachers put in forth. If a teacher fails to do his/her job appropriately and receives at least 2 warnings, then they should be fired.

Secondly, I see a terrible trend where the governement is unable to deal with a huge deficit, the teachers are usuallly the target and suffer the consequences.

 

[Jerkthis]

Thesun, a teacher with 10 years plus can earn over $85000.00. Dude, that's good money considering they get 2 months off.

 

[RAWD]

I personally think if teachers were paid accordingly, there is no need for a union. As of now, I do not think they earn enough and there are many other professionals with degrees earn more than them while working half of the hours teachers put in forth. If a teacher fails to do his/her job appropriately and receives at least 2 warnings, then they should be fired.

Secondly, I see a terrible trend where the governement is unable to deal with a huge deficit, the teachers are usuallly the target and suffer the consequences.

I'm very curious - what professionals and in which industry sectors do you refer?

 

[RAWD]

Thesun, a teacher with 10 years plus can earn over $85000.00. Dude, that's good money considering they get 2 months off.

I believe that's a base salary figure (averaging between groups 2 and 3?). Add on pension and benefits, annualize for the summer break and you're talking a very comfortable comp package.

Probably explains why there are so many teachers in the hobby. :LMAO:

 

[Jerkthis]

I believe that's a base salary figure (averaging between groups 2 and 3?). Add on pension and benefits, annualize for the summer break and you're talking a very comfortable comp package.

Probably explains why there are so many teachers in the hobby. :LMAO:

I don't begrudge the teacher's current pay or benefits but enough is enough.

 

[thesun]

Honestly Rawd, what is needed is pay flexibility, to reward the best teachers and dismiss the worst. Many of these teachers have bachelor and master degrees. One of my coworkers used to be a teacher and he said to me, I work as half as hard when I was a teacher and get paid more for it. Furthermore, no BS from parents, kids, etc.

 

[papasmerf]

Honestly Rawd, what is needed is pay flexibility, to reward the best teachers and dismiss the worst. Many of these teachers have bachelor and master degrees. One of my coworkers used to be a teacher and he said to me, I work as half as hard when I was a teacher and get paid more for it. Furthermore, no BS from parents, kids, etc.

you are a toll taker??

 

[thesun]

meaning?

 

[papasmerf]

easy work and easy money.

why did your co-worker stop teaching???

this is germane as to his affirmation of his statement

 

[RAWD]

Honestly Rawd, what is needed is pay flexibility, to reward the best teachers and dismiss the worst. Many of these teachers have bachelor and master degrees. One of my coworkers used to be a teacher and he said to me, I work as half as hard when I was a teacher and get paid more for it. Furthermore, no BS from parents, kids, etc.

I'm all for pay flexibility. Pay for performance, in fact. But that's precisely what the unions in Ontario have resisted tooth and nail in the past.

The current paybands already reflect differences in qualifications graduate degree holders are paid more than undergrade degree holders. If memory serves (it's been a while since I did the comparison), a PhD with ten years experience earns as much as a 16(?) year colleague with only a Bachelors (but both have "topped out" on the salary grids as teachers).

I'm curious about the working half as hard. The first time (or few times) through a curriculum is always more time-consuming. When I first started teaching, I would spend 12 hours preparing for a 3 hour lecture. Now I might spend 20 minutes.

I hear you about dealing with students. It's a pain in the ass.

 

[Guido]

I say give the teachers anything they want if I can go back to school and have a hot blonde milf molest me.

 

[thesun]

easy work and easy money.

why did your co-worker stop teaching???

this is germane as to his affirmation of his statement

He stopped teaching because he felt his salary didn't justify all those long hours and BS. He works for the bank now.

 

[papasmerf]

He stopped teaching because he felt his salary didn't justify all those long hours and BS. He works for the bank now.

it has been my experience that those who stop teaching do so because they could not get the results they expected or were asked to leave.

your friend would be the exception.

 

[thesun]

Asked to leave? I am not sure about that as teachers are protected by their union.

 

[thesun]

Furthermore, if teachers do leave, many of them are either fed up with the system or the lack of support.

 

[papasmerf]

Asked to leave? I am not sure about that as teachers are protected by their union.

so you are saying the union would protect a bad teacher??

 

[thesun]

I believe so. Tragic eh?

 

[thesun]

Apparently, the principal would have to do major paperworks and give the teacher ample of resources and opportunities to become a better teacher.