Trump thread

[Adsr]

Hello Ivanka.

Ivanka Trump used personal email account for government business | US news | The Guardian

 

[What A Wookie]

Hello Ivanka.

Ivanka Trump used personal email account for government business | US news | The Guardian

Lock her up.

 

[Maverik]

 

[blackram]

What does anyone expect a country to do when a group blatantly tries to cross its border illegally? Should they just allow it? Why? Give me one good reason why a country should leave its borders open to just anyone to walk in.

You do realize that there was nothing illegal about it? People are allowed to come and ask for asylum in any country, and then it's upto the country to decide to give it or not. It's not like as if they were trying to sneak into the country by any means, everybody knew they were coming. However, it's decidedly illegal to try to stop them even before they get to the border of the country.

 

[Willy]

Trump says he's close to China trade deal but 'I don't know that I want to do it'

As world leaders head to Argentina this weekend for the G-20 summit, President Donald Trump tells reporters he could be close to a deal with China on trade

Trump also says he's not sure he wants to do a deal, citing the money coming into the U.S. in the form of taxes on Chinese imports

Trump is expected to meet with China's president, Xi Jinping, during the summit

Trump says he is 'close to doing something' with China on trade

 

[Willy]

Some thoughts.

Trump hasn't accomplished anything. He just signed the new "NAFTA 2.0" agreement, and he is saying it's the greatest and best deal ever, but the truth is it's the same exact agreement as before with a handful of changes. Trump is the self proclaimed "great negotiator" but him and his team have spent two years on this deal and it's the same exact deal as before.

Trump isn't working towards getting North Korea to remove it's nukes. He claims he is, but in reality they had one meeting that resulted a in a "promise to potentially talk about the possibility of removing nukes in the future". Since then, nothing. He had a great opportunity to do something great - a once in a lifetime meeting between the US and NK - and then nothing. If you are watching close enough some of us will notice that NK and SK are getting along much better - removing guard posts in the DMZ and last week SK send techs into NK to discuss train technology. But the United States - the self proclaimed "great negotiator" is merely standing on the sidelines watching.

The Trump White House has accomplished nothing in the past two years. The White House is still not fully staffed, and we don't even have ambassadors in some countries.

Trump promised to take care of veterans. It was part of his platform when campaigning. He said he was going to take care of the computer systems at the VA, and update them. He assigned Jared to the task and then... Nothing. It was only a matter of time before something got fucked up. Now it seems we haven't been paying some veterans properly, and the VA said "Sorry, nothing we can do about it - old computer systems". Trump promised to fix this, it's been two years, nothing happened, and now that a new problem has come forward the White House has been silent on the issue.

Which bring me to another issue.... The White House has been silent on the issue because the White House has pretty much ended press conferences. They can no longer spin the bullshit coming out of the White House so they just pretty much stopped trying.

 

[blackram]

Yes...we knew they were coming and we (and everyone knew what they wanted to do). We already had examples of their behavior as they trampled the southern Mexican border and abused Mexican officials on the way through the country. Did they line up to present themselves in an organized manner? Did they stop to accept the charity and offers of help from Mexico along the way. Why do they require asylum in our country when Mexico offered them the same. Are you aware that there are several places in Mexico where one can go to claim asylum from the US...consulates and such. There was no need for them to come as a disorganized mob to the border.

Oh, so these migrants abused those poor Mexican officials with guns pointed at them? :shout:

 

[ROBERTSON]

You do realize that there was nothing illegal about it? People are allowed to come and ask for asylum in any country, and then it's upto the country to decide to give it or not. It's not like as if they were trying to sneak into the country by any means, everybody knew they were coming. However, it's decidedly illegal to try to stop them even before they get to the border of the country.

So you would be happy if illegal immigrants were bussed to some remote location on the US Canada border, and then illegally walked across the boarder into Canada.

And when these illegal immigrants were either found by Canadian authorities, or simply showed up at a government facilities, they should be accepted with open arms.

Welcome to Canada,...you are now a Canadian, and we will put up in living standards and free health care that is far higher than a lot of Canadians, including picking you up at the door of your hotel, and bussing your children back and forth to the right to the door of your hotel .


Not discounting the fact that they are line jumping those who are doing so legally.

 

[blackram]

So you would be happy if illegal immigrants were bussed to some remote location on the US Canada border, and then illegally walked across the boarder into Canada.

And when these illegal immigrants were either found by Canadian authorities, or simply showed up at a government facilities, they should be accepted with open arms.

Welcome to Canada,...you are now a Canadian, and we will put up in living standards and free health care that is far higher than a lot of Canadians, including picking you up at the door of your hotel, and bussing your children back and forth to the right to the door of your hotel .


Not discounting the fact that they are line jumping those who are doing so legally.

I don't know where you've been, but that's actually already happened, asylum seekers were walking into Canada from the US last year, and they were being welcomed in. They were coming in by walking across snowy fields from the northern states. Beyond that, there has already been a spike in formal asylum seekers from American citizens after Trump came in! This is more than just the usual, "if so-and-so becomes president, I'm leaving for Canada", these people are actually fleeing the US looking for refugee status, because they feel it's not a safe place.

Refugees asking for asylum in Canada argue the US is no longer safe | Public Radio International

More Americans are trying to become refugees in Canada

 

[ROBERTSON]

I don't know where you've been, but that's actually already happened, asylum seekers were walking into Canada from the US last year, and they were being welcomed in. They were coming in by walking across snowy fields from the northern states. Beyond that, there has already been a spike in formal asylum seekers from American citizens after Trump came in! This is more than just the usual, "if so-and-so becomes president, I'm leaving for Canada", these people are actually fleeing the US looking for refugee status, because they feel it's not a safe place.

Refugees asking for asylum in Canada argue the US is no longer safe | Public Radio International

More Americans are trying to become refugees in Canada

Obviously I am aware of that, and how Mr. Dress Up takes credit for this in one of his far too many photo ops, but doesn't mention how individual provinces are made to shoulder the responsibilities and costs.

A question, do you agree or disagree with what is/has been happening as per your post, and why do you agree or disagree ?

Understand, people can NOT be considered refugees from the US.

 

[blackram]

Obviously I am aware of that, and how Mr. Dress Up takes credit for this in one of his far too many photo ops, but doesn't mention how individual provinces are made to shoulder the responsibilities and costs.

A question, do you agree or disagree with what is/has been happening as per your post, and why do you agree or disagree ?

Understand, people can NOT be considered refugees from the US.

I don't know how they divide up the costs between provinces and the feds. I would assume the immigration aspect is entirely the purview of the feds, except in Quebec where they have their own immigration system. The provinces probably have to shoulder the costs of giving them health cards and identity papers, but I think housing is paid by the feds, though individual municipalities need to make housing available for them. Larger cities will likely have them available, but smaller towns probably not, so they probably have to be bused to bigger cities.

As for being accepted as a refugee from America into Canada, there used to be quite a few of them accepted back in the 60's, when people were escaping The Draft to go to Vietnam. I think that's still a valid excuse to get in these days, but of course the Draft is history. US soldiers who are already enlisted, but refusing to deploy may also still apply. The story shows that less than 1% are accepted, because it would look bad for Canada that they are accepting refugees from an allied country, the USA. But despite the 1% acceptance rate, that doesn't take away from the fact that there are even any significant number of people asking for refugee status coming from the US.

 

[ROBERTSON]

I don't know how they divide up the costs between provinces and the feds. I would assume the immigration aspect is entirely the purview of the feds, except in Quebec where they have their own immigration system. The provinces probably have to shoulder the costs of giving them health cards and identity papers, but I think housing is paid by the feds, though individual municipalities need to make housing available for them. Larger cities will likely have them available, but smaller towns probably not, so they probably have to be bused to bigger cities.

As for being accepted as a refugee from America into Canada, there used to be quite a few of them accepted back in the 60's, when people were escaping The Draft to go to Vietnam. I think that's still a valid excuse to get in these days, but of course the Draft is history. US soldiers who are already enlisted, but refusing to deploy may also still apply. The story shows that less than 1% are accepted, because it would look bad for Canada that they are accepting refugees from an allied country, the USA. But despite the 1% acceptance rate, that doesn't take away from the fact that there are even any significant number of people asking for refugee status coming from the US.

The provinces shoulder all of the costs.

What % of the illegal refugees crossing the boarders into Canada, are American,... ???

 

[Lamagra]

Robert Mueller is pressing to interview Trump after President's written answers: CNN - AOL News

 

[Prick]

WASHINGTON -- Congressional negotiators reached agreement Monday night to prevent a government shutdown and finance construction of new barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border, overcoming a late-stage hang-up over immigration enforcement issues that had threatened to scuttle the talks.
Republicans were desperate to avoid another bruising shutdown. They tentatively agreed to far less money for President Donald Trump's border wall than the White House's $5.7 billion wish list, settling for a figure of nearly $1.4 billion, according to congressional aides. The funding measure is through the fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30.

Lawmakers reach deal on border wall funding | CP24.com

The agreement means 55 miles of new fencing -- constructed through existing designs such as metal slats instead of a concrete wall -- but far less than the 215 miles the White House demanded in December. The fencing would be built in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas.

 

[Skipper]

Trump may have been right.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/mainstream-media-changes-border-crisis-illegal-immigration

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

The usual false fox indoctrination spin. The "crisis" is due to Trump's policy and not enough judges and resources for the masses of refugees trying to claim asylum. The term illegals is false they are legally coming to claim asylum from fear of death etc by the gangs in home countries which have been very well documented. For those that follow the legitimate news, not the fake fox/ Trump fantasy and lies channel.

 

[DigglerII]

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-kim-will-meet-at-dmz-on-sunday-south-koreas-leader-says

 

[ROBERTSON]

The usual false fox indoctrination spin. The "crisis" is due to Trump's policy and not enough judges and resources for the masses of refugees trying to claim asylum. The term illegals is false they are legally coming to claim asylum from fear of death etc by the gangs in home countries which have been very well documented. For those that follow the legitimate news, not the fake fox/ Trump fantasy and lies channel.

These "refugees" are not from Mexico,... escaping gangs in Mexico.

Some are actually from India and Africa, via Mexico, that doesn't sound like people escaping,... "gangs in home countries"
Mexico just passes them off to the the US, as,... ???

You can't possibly document all of those thousands as asylum seekers, impossible.

If you are actually an American living in Phoenix, this not trying to tell you how your country should be run, simply a response to the opinion in your post.
If you are a Canadian as I am, then take it as it is, my opinion.

 

[Goodfella]

2.5 million later....

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trump-touts-july-4-military-salute-critics-see-politics-1.4491786