Twitter and the Twitterverse

[J Strummer]

Ok fellas, as I said in that TDL thread, here are some things I’d like to say and share with you.

As we all know, text messages and emails and postings (like these) are ‘plain’ and we cannot really tell the ‘tone’ of the one posting.
So hopefully none of the following will offend anyone. And if it does… f**k you! (LOL! Just kidding). We can chat in person when we get together to avoid confusion or misunderstandings of any kind.

CT, you sadi that muckin is a nice guy. C’mon! Are you kidding me?! (LOL Just joking muckin… just trying to get back at you for the Slutter thing! LOL)
Mammo… you mentioned ‘High School’ in one of your postings. Forget that …for a moment it felt like Middle School… like the postings of 13-year old girls dealing with social media rejection and who blocked me and all that crap! Seriously fellas… with all due respect, for a moment I thought I was in a Celebrities’ blog instead of this type of forum!
C’mon… all this ‘insider information’ and ‘crashers’ and ‘security breach’ and conspiracy theories and shit… man! Poor Winslow. He even had to post like 3 times ‘cause how ‘hot’ it was all getting. LOL

Now, my dear CT, you mentioned that if that fucking suspect (“Bones” )is a member of the A-Team… then there is a conflict of interest between what this group stands for in friendship, trust and information sharing and what they do”. I’m sorry bro, but I’m surprised that you bring this up. I have to say that I disagree to certain extent… especially with your choice of words: when you say ‘conflict of interest’.
Being member of this selected and privileged group, doesn’t mean that I have to inform of what I do, or what I don’t do outside of the forum. Does it? Especially when whatever I do outside the forum, let’s say my personal or professional life, could be at risk because of what I do in this circle/hobby… right? That my friend, would be a REAL conflict of interest.

Want to know who that Mr. Bones or whatever is? Here you go:




Based on such links, we could assume that is someone linked to Cupids… right? And, I dunno… I kinda remember seeing that guy at the party for a moment… don’t you?

Wait… am I coming up with another weird theory here?

What you guys know about Twitter?

Did you guys know that anyone can have 1, 2, 3 5 or 50 or 500+ accounts?

All the bitches that you follow could have another account and post as ‘dudes’ to create whatever image they want. They can post each other as ‘dudes’ so they look ‘interesting’ and ‘busy’ and ‘awesome’ and what fucking ever.

Twitter is, by default, a public platform. When people tweet, we generally don't visualize every possible person who might be reading the tweet or looking at our photos - now, or in 5 or 20 years into the future.

Did you know that you can actually buy ‘followers’ on Twitter? Oh yeah… by the unit, by the dozen, by the hundreds… you name the package. There are companies specialized on that. Oh yeah… when you see that those bitches have thousands of followers… now you know what could be happening.

So this Bones dude could be anyone from one of the TDL girls themselves, a friend of the agency, the boyfriend of one of the girls, a friend of one of the girls… I dunno the fuck who.
Now fellas… don’t forget something – that I think is VERY IMPORTANT here: the girls can post that they fuck for money and post pics of them naked and whatever… because, as you all know, they are on the SAFE side of things and what they do is NOT ILLEGAL. But you and me… should be very careful. I know… sometimes it feels like that law doesn't even exist and now that we have a Liberal PM we may think that things are gonna change. They might. But today… we can still get fucked by that fucking law.

Whoever is on Twitter may NOT want to give out so much information about who they are, what they do, who they're friends with, etc.

A fact: Twitter can reveal special connections between certain individuals which can help to aim better when conducting investigations. And there is software and apps that can help with that. A proof of concept could be built just by gathering Twitter information; just by looking at Twitter connections and this could be used as “incidental evidence”… just saying. So, think how good or not is to follow whoever you are following... even the fellas on this group or the board(s) for that matter.

Also: Direct Messages (DM’s) are supposed to be private, but the reality is… NOT so much.

In order to send someone a Direct Message, that person must be following your Twitter account (again, a connection… because you can't go randomly DM'ing people you don't even “know”).

But, it turns out that this doesn't mean DM’s are entirely private. While the DM’s are ostensibly private, the reality is that any apps that have been approved to access your Twitter account can also see those "private" messages. Oh yeah… believe it or not.

There are 2 types of account access authorizations: read-only, or read-and-write. In either case, the fact that the app has been granted permission to access the account at all means that all Twitter messages, including DMs are accessible to the app. In the event of read-and-write approval, the app could also delete your messages, or send messages out on your behalf!

It may be a tad paranoid to worry about whether the a given app is abusing the privacy privilege of your account and your DMs. But hey… wasn't all that shit about ‘someone at the party’ and all that… a bit paranoid too?

Just to be safe if you fellas decide to do whatever you are doing on Twitter: you should exercise some discretion with the apps you grant that authority to, and remember that your DMs may not be as private as you might think.

But as with any social network, Twitter is vulnerable to over-sharing, data leakage and unintended consequences.

Keep in mind that just like Facebook and Google, Twitter is also driven by ad revenue so it’s very interested in what its users are up to when they're using Twitter and when they aren't (you did realize that Twitter tracks the websites you visit didn't you? Just like Facebook).

And just to finish, ‘cause I don’t wanna bore you to death here (LOL):

The Twitter Privacy Policy states that all ‘tweets are public by default’.

It also tells you that Twitter collects, uses and shares YOUR information when you use their services. (Twitter receives your information through our various websites, SMS, APIs, email notifications, applications, buttons, widgets, ads, commerce services).

Canadian data is ‘controlled’ by Twitter’s Irish affiliate. And “irrespective of which country you reside in or supply information from, you authorize Twitter to use your information in the United States, Ireland, and any other country where Twitter operates”. Period.
For those who use Digits by Twitter to sign up for or log in to a third-party application: you are directing Twitter to share your contact information, such as your phone number, with that application.

For those of you on Twitter: Just as a suggestion: Check what ‘Lists’ are you “Members” of.

Their policy also states that most of the information you provide them through the Twitter Services is information you are asking ‘Twitter to make public’. Your public information includes the messages you Tweet and the metadata provided with Tweets (when you Tweeted and the client application you used to Tweet; the language, country, and time zone associated with your account; etc).

So, if you are using the same device that you use to ‘tweet’ and to check HUBGFE, OTHER forums/boards, etc… it’s all there. And obviously all other online and/or network connections you use for your personal and/or professional life.

Also important: If you've shared information, like direct messages or protected Tweets, with another user who accesses the Twitter Services through a third-party service, keep in mind that that information may be shared with the third-party service.

Those who have paid accounts with Twitter (we don’t fuking know which agencies or SP’s have such accounts: Payment Information with payment services providers to process payments; prevent, detect and investigate fraud or other prohibited activities… yes fellas, you read well: prohibited activities.

And last but not least: Twitter may preserve or disclose your information if they believe that it is reasonably necessary to comply with a law, regulation, legal process, or governmental request; to protect the safety of any person; security issues; etc. So, let’s say that even if you didn't do anything… if an idiot goes and beats up a girl, or an agency gets outed or a hotel complaints about girls/agencies using their location(s) and it all goes up into a legal battle/case… yup, all communication could be recalled, if necessary, and confiscated, looking for evidence… including all social media.

I know… it’s a fucking long email. Sorry. But I just felt compelled to do this… not only because of how annoying all this twitter things was on the TDL thread (LOL) but especially, because I can see you all hot with this stupid Twitter thing and it could be more sensitive than it looks. And, if this group stands for friendship, trust and information sharing as CT stated… the more reason to share all this with you fellas.

Cheers,

J Slutter… I mean, J Strummer!

(Fuck! You see what you've done muckin! LOL)

 

[Kirk Lazarus]

JS,

Thanks for your thoughtful comments. Taking the time to express your opinion is appreciated. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I read your post to say that the bottom line is that we should use twitter with discretion because if we are not careful, our privacy may be compromised or we may be implicated in some criminal/harmful activity.

I totally agree with you that we should use twitter with discretion. The same goes for any posting on the internet whether it be twitter, review forums, blogs, etc. So I don't think you should single out just twitter, but include all things internet.

I also agree that if you do not use your discretion on the internet, your privacy may be compromised. As for implicated in some harmful activity, I disagree a bit. Having said that, everyone has their own risk levels when using the internet to participate in the hobby. Some don't post anything on the internet related to hobbying, others post a bit on the internet as it relates to hobbying. Each person is has their own tolerance levels.

Bottom line for me is that I have fun on this board and now recently twitter (which I don't see a difference between twitter and the board), but am aware of privacy risks. As long as I respect my privacy and you guys' privacy, I'm happy.

 

[muckin]

Thanks Strum, I mean slut lol. Seriously very good of you to share what you know and point this out to the rest of the group.

 

[Winslow]

Excellent post Strummer. Much appreciated!!

 

[ChaosTheory]

Strummer, I sincerely appreciate your comments and your honesty. I have always maintained if there is anything I do or say that anyone of you have any contention with please, without hesitation, let me know, in private or here in this forum. The reason why is that I do consider all of you friends and care about anything you are going through and will do my best to help, relieve or support. The key to any strong relationship is unbiased, unconditional communication which should be taken and given with respect and not personally. I am a strong believer we can resolve any issue between us and anything faced externally if we choose to.

I am sure we all feel the same way.

I have personally never and will never let any aspect of this industry come between us, nor influence my decision to contribute, help and share with the rest of you, unless of course it is not welcomed or not required.

Realize also that the intention of my posts in this have been to inform, foster community and unity and protect us and the board, unconditionally. I have shared a lot and have no reservations doing so.
My actions are also complemented in my personal interactions with people face to face, on twitter, pm, on the boards to bring them to and support HUBGFE. Its all about you guys and the board.

In regards to the twitter..and the twitter bone guy, I feel that has been blown out of proportion, perhaps due to my own wording and passion (for that I apologize) my main concern as stated was a breech of security to our party. If this does not concern you guys then it will not longer concern me. His block of me was suspect only because it indicated a protective measure of exposure, and perhaps something to hide.

The other stem, that I personally feel is important within a circle of friends and yes, the understood definition and purpose of this group, is a circle of trust, friendship, loyalty and desire to help/inform. I don't care if anyone blocks me on twitter, I dont take it personally from any random person. However if anyone of you do i feel not only within the context of this group, but as friends, it is a aberration, a sign, that things are not well and have to rectified to maintain that community and relationship.
Furthermore, when I say conflict of interest, it all comes down to the purpose of this group. My thought was it is a place were we can be open which each other...not just one, two, or three people, but everyone, exchange info, give more info, support, be honest...live symbiotically to enrich this lifestyle but also participate in a community where we share common interests and give insight. If a person closes off and does not share the same values or opinions...then yes, it is a conflict. It turns into a parasitic relationship...or a unilateral relationship where one only takes, does not trust, does not feel the same way, will not be honest and will let others get inbetween the A-Team. It is not that black and white a but those are the limits on either end.
I do not expect anyone to share each and everything they do in this industry and what they hear, I really don't care about the industry, but what I do care about is you guys and whatever I know I will let you know.
Everyone of course has the autonomy to post whatever they want and give to this group...your friends if you see us so, as much as you like.

Perhaps I am a little out of control in all this, and i am sure part of my intent was lost in communication. I dont worry about twitter, being blocked, these ladies or all that, else I would not share what I do, I won't post what I post on treb, tweet reviews, support the board, and you guys as much I do.

If I am out of control and thinking too much, and acting/voicing accordingly, I apologize and that is something I have to relinquish immediately because it is a problem.

I just know based on events in the past and current, and my dealings with swede and the admin, privacy has been very important..the sanity of our parties and the board..as well as board loyalty.
therefore I brought up Bones in the context of security, breech. I care about what swede and the principles of HUBGFE and have been active in dealing with that.
I also have been antagonized if I indirectly been involved in anything that effected that security...therefore my reaction was potentiated.

Furthermore, I care about you guys and what this group represents therefore I share what I do, do I what I do. Therefore I brought up Bones to represent any derivation in that philosophy.

I finally get it that my loyalty and dedication is misplaced, perhaps I should just be a wall-follower, read this board only...make a few comments here and there, and not support / protect the members or the board..as actively as I do on twitter or by any means I can....i dont think that is a solution but it certainly will keep me out of harms way within the context of what's being discussed.
i really shouldnt be preaching or trying to police/speak up.
Its not my place. That's clear.
Share and be as you like. Its all good. We will endure. Its about the women and enjoyment. The group , the events and our social circle is what we make it.
i apologize guys.

Winslow, my friend, we talk, we always talked when we meet, I respect you as I do the others. In my initial post reply i said I know it is not you. My personal opinion is that I am glad you are a member of this group and I am fortunate to have met and gotten to know you.
I think that of everyone.
I deeply respect all you guys.

I do apologize if I have or had offended anyone and please let me know in person or pm or whatever, or however you feel comfortable but please not by a fist to the face, I bruise easy and my face is my money maker.

Alright, my time of the month has just ended, and hormones are leveling off to normalcy.

Also any of you need anything, at any time, i am always and will be always therefore for you and will help in anyway I can.
Except no MMF mammo! the answer is still No!

I appreciate your twitter research and post Strummer it informative &enlightening in may ways. I hope all is good.

 

[muckin]

Just how fast do you type? that would take me most of the day. lol

 

[Kirk Lazarus]

Didn't you hear? CT got top marks in keyboarding class in highschool. He's got mad keyboarding skills.

 

[Winslow]

Excellent and very well written post CT. :YMAPPLAUSE:

 

[muckin]

I've been told I have mad skills too............with my tongue, daty. :rofl!::-Cool/"

 

[J Strummer]

Thanks for the note Kirk,

I'm going to address your comments first.

Is the bottom line that we should use twitter with discretion because if we are not careful, our privacy may be compromised or we may be implicated in some criminal (harmful) activity?

Yes to the "be careful, our privacy may be compromised" part.

In a nutshell: as you said, use it with discretion. Be mindful of services and apps that you are using and of the website/online links that you also use. Especially if you are using same phone/computer and especially if they have quick links to Twitter.
I don’t think that of the using this forum or website (which has a quick link to Twitter btw) equals as using Twitter… because what you post here is not public. What you post on Twitter is.

Now, in regards the criminal / harmful activity:

Let me just clarify. As I said, the girls can do post anything because, as we all know, what they do, under the new bill/law is fine… nothing illegal with that. But we are the screwed ones, as we all know. What we do is.

Be mindful of your posts… even DM's. As I said, you CAN control the apps and software and things you have on YOUR phones/laptops… but you CAN’T control what whoever you are following on Twitter has. Or whatever whoever you are Direct Messaging has. Just keep that in mind.

And on the other hand, just a (hopefully) remote example… but still possible: Bubba The Axe Murderer pretends to be a client. Meets girl X at the hotel. Beats her up and whatever. Girl is found in the room. (She’s just badly injured, alive). Unconscious… blah, blah, blah. As you can imagine, cops are gonna track all possible contact she had with whoever in the last couple of days… not only phone but also Social Media... and then it all cascades down. You know what I mean, right? I know… a bit too much of an example, but you know what I mean? And hey… we've all heard stories of guys showing up at hotel and doing things to the girls, haven’t we?

Yes, arguably, same thing will happen if you have the girl's number and you've been calling/texting her. But if you have a burner phone, number and all is gone... bye! But not your tweets and DM's. Those are on a server... even if you delete them, they can be recovered.

Yes, I agree: bottom line is to have fun on this board (and you now recently twitter), but I just wanted to highlight things that sometimes, not everybody is aware of. I’m glad that you are aware of privacy risks.

Cheers,
J

 

[Kirk Lazarus]

Thanks for the response JS. I agree with what you said, but I would include anything on the Internet and not just Twitter as a risk.

I disagree wit this "I don’t think that of the using this forum or website (which has a quick link to Twitter btw) equals as using Twitter… because what you post here is not public. What you post on Twitter is."

If the cops need, they can get a court order to look at servers and and login information from boards as well. None of this is private or secure when under investigation. You can delete your messages on your computer, but communications on the Internet can be retrieved from 3rd parties.

I don't think that Twitter should be singled out or presented as the activity with highest risk to your privacy. In this day and age, to eliminate risk entirely is to not hobby. There are many things that you do that will leave tracks of you hobbying, like anything Internet related, using your credit card at bars hosting hobby related events, habitual withdraw of cash at locations near incall locations, security cameras, etc.

I think we are saying the same them...discretion, discretion, discretion! Hobby at your own risk. The level of your risk tolerance is up to you.

 

[J Strummer]

Now I’m going to address Chaos Theory's message.

Thanks for the reply and the heartfelt and thoughtful comments CT. Greatly appreciated.

Of course we can always discuss things openly, or via PM. If I decided to post it on a thread to the group is because I thought that everyone could benefit from the bits and pieces of warning on Social Media and Twitter.

But yeah... It’s all good.

I greatly appreciate (and I think we all do) that sense of friendship and that care about anything that could have a negative impact on this group; just as you care about the relationship we all had and you are always willing to do your best to help, relieve or support this group in any way. Bro… that’s BIG.

Should we ever let any aspect of this industry come between us? Well… I guess only the legal aspect. If you guys ever get arrested… please don’t tell the cops you know me, ok?! LOL!

Please keep up the contributions as you've done… and keep on encouraging others to contribute... and encouraging the girls to get on HUBGFE and be more active on HUBGFE… as you've done.

You and I can have a drink next time we see each other… at the party most likely and chat over this whole Twitter thing so we can let this thread die. Oh… you don’t drink, do you? No worries… I’ll drink yours! LOL

But hey, no need to apologize for anything. It’s clear that your main concern was ‘a breach of security’ to our party and group. And it was also because of the concept of ‘security’ that I shared with you guys my bit of knowledge on social media so you can be aware of the potential risks that the use of a platform like Twitter has. Especially if you use the same phone or laptop that you use in your personal/professional life. It’s not about the blocking… I mean, c’mon, who gives a bloody rat’s ass about it… but as you said, it’s all about ‘protective measures of exposure’. Believe my friend, on the other side of the coin, it could even be a good thing that some people are not following you, that you are not following someone… or even that someone ‘block’s you.

And yes, on the other hand, I agree with what you said about this group in regards trust, friendship, loyalty and the desire to help and inform. And as far as I know, everybody’s actions here have signaled just that, right? Everybody’s actions and comments point out to a strong sense of trust and loyalty and the will to help and inform, don’t they? This is a really cool group of fellas. And we've shared some fun moments and insights.

I don't wanna keep going because, as I said, I want to put this whole thread to rest in peace… and I don’t want the fellas to get bored to death! LOL So next gathering we can chat about any thoughts you may have in re: aberration signs, conflicts of interest, things that are not well and have to be rectified. But I must say that personally, I have none.
I totally understand what you mean when you say ‘conflict of interest’. Dunno… maybe it’s a personal thing but I really don’t take it personal if one of the fellas here doesn't feel comfortable sharing things with me. C’mon… let’s be realistic. I’m the newbie here (or one of them). Some of you guys have known each other longer and been part of this (or the other) group for longer than I've had. I would not expect just everyone to suddenly open to me because all of a sudden I post and share stuff – and because they have seen me at parties. It’s a personality thing I guess, some people open and trust more easily than others… and that’s fine with me. And I’m respectful of that too. I just don’t walk into a party and ask “Hey! How’s it going?! How’s family? And your job? Hey… tell me about your job. What do you do?!” You know what I mean. I’m respectful that way. Or again… maybe it’s just my personality. But again my friend, there’s nothing wrong (or good, for that matter) with that.

Or hey… Like Donald Rumsfeld once said:

There are no "knowns." There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know. Right? LOL

(And as a foot note, I think that Rumsfeld took that from and author… can’t remember his name now)

The message here my friend, is that maybe the concept of ‘Plausible Deniability’ might be good to certain extent (and it applies to Twitter too, btw). Especially when we are in the unlawful side of things… don’t you think? But hey… that’s a different story. That’s the dark side of the moon. LOL

In re: this industry and all the girls and happening and miss-happenings, I’m sure that everybody here has contributed with a lot of info & insights… a lot of valuable info that has not only kept us safe, but in a good and healthy hobbying path. Don’t you think? I really do.

Again my friend, no apologies needed at all. It’s all good. And hey… keep the good communication and contributions coming. You are a valuable member of this group and I’m sure everybody appreciates that. And again, if I decided to post the thread, it was I thought the fellas here could benefit from those insights too.

Let’s leave this whole rest in peace and go drink and fuck these chicks. OK?

But… if we can also do something to STOP Raiden from fucking all these new chicks… let’s do it! LOL

And yeah… also to prevent mammo from keeping Valencia all to himself… let’s do that too! LOL

Oh…and mammo… you heard CT: No MMF! Ok?! LOL

 

[mammo]

Strummer, CT.. I thank you for your insights and your thoughts on this subject.

If there is anyone who understands the perils of what you put out on social media and the effect it can have, it is I, having gone through something of late that almost blew open this whole secret life of ours. Even as careful as I thought I was being, it was my own doing, I can't blame someone else. And while the incident cut a little too close for comfort, here I am, still out there tweeting, posting and participating - but with the clear knowledge that one little slip could send me down the same rabbit hole again. Why do it? Because I enjoy the camaraderie of this group and this "hobby". So, armed with more knowledge, we solider on!

And yes, Valencia has been a godsend through all this and that has made spending time with her even more enjoyable... but I'm open to sharing, hence my attempts at getting CT into a MFM - you know you want it and she'd like it too! Just ask her!!!

Now, like Strummer says, time to put this thread behind us and get back to what's important - getting to see Anastasia before the rest of you fuckers corrupt her!

 

[muckin]

Liz just messaged me, Anastasia is off for the week

 

[ChaosTheory]

Mammo what happened to you was crap. I want to pile-drive, closeline then suplex everyone involved in that..oh then DDT.

 

[Senior]

WTF, I leave you guys alone for a few weeks and it all goes to hell? LOL.

This whole Twitter thing is dangerous if not used carefully. Madeline was outed because she was careless despite my warnings. She inadvertently had her contacts on her phone linked to her Twitter account and one morning she came in to my office and said she'd been outed. Someone from her contact list saw a link and follow request and asked "Hey, who's Madeline? She looks an awful lot like you". I told her to shut down the account immediately. She posted pics from inside her home as well that she has shared other pics on her personal FB page in less provocative poses. I warned her of this as well. The person that messaged her is someone who has been interested in her for a while and is now relentless in booking a session with her. I've told her to block him as well, but it might be all in vain as the info is now out there. I'm afraid he will now try to extort her as they are from a small town with less than 1000 people where everyone knows everyone. They even know me.

I also advised her to have Liz shut down her profile on TDL temporarily until she gets things straightened out. She's chosen not to do any of these things except make her Twitter account private and has removed all personal pics from her feed. She had one pic removed from the TDL site that is unmistakably her if someone from her personal life saw it. The remaining pics are so heavily photoshopped, it's a toss up if you actually recognize her. But there are still pics on the TDL Twitter site that reveal her in selfies.

The point has been taken and experienced. If not used carefully and discreetly, the TwitterVerse can be detrimental. There is no built in software to hide distinguishing marks/tattoos/etc. These girls do this to promote themselves and it's all for the love of money and sometimes (if not most), the attention.

 

[Swede]

Big respect Strummer. Thanks for looking out for us. What a key member you are. BTW. I have now blocked every single one of those conniving Indis from my Twitter account.