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Pullmyfinger
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He has a new lawyer because the old one couldn't get in contact with him.
Sounds fishy to me.
Sounds fishy to me.
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LisaOfToronto
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This must be truly devastating for the parents of Trayvon...boy gets suspended from school, momz sends him to dad to chill out, boy gets shot by this Zimmerman freak..very sad
Maurice Boscorelli
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I'm waiting till all the facts come out in this one.
Exactly, I think there is more to this story.
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ughhh fucken haters...wht more to this story do you want there to be?
Trayvon was walking home, Zimmerman a self imposed neighbourhood watchmen armed with a loaded gun was following him, was told by Police "we don't need you to do that"
Trayvon Martin is not here to tell his side but all evidence is out, these days it's hard to keep anything from the internet.
Trayvon had just as much right to defend his life from this perv as much as this perv claims he was superior to Trayvon. Zimmerman thought he was slick by using this law as his excuse for killing Trayvon, cuz daddy is a judge and momma works in the courthouse (or something like that) and cops in Florida are racist like omg you don't know....(I know)..so they didn't charge him initially.
Now it's on ...good luck finding an impartial jury in Florida.
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Why not just sit back and wait for the results?
One point is for sure, none of us were there and will never know what really happened.
One point is for sure, none of us were there and will never know what really happened.
Maurice Boscorelli
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I want to know the facts ma'am. Not the journalistic propaganda that we read in the paper.
Lisa the haters comment goes both ways. If it was a black guy shooting a black guy this wouldn't have gone so viral. I'm not at all condoning what Zimmerman did. I don't know if it was self defence or an idiot trying to make his first kill but neither do you.
Prosecutor to make announcement soon in Martin case
"I believe that he's gotten a raw deal from the media, that the media has tried to convict him wrongfully," he said. "When the facts come out, it'll show he acted in self-defense, that the police department made the proper decision in not arresting him, as there was not probable cause to make the arrest."
I say This guy isn't going to get a fair trial, especially if theres any blacks on the jury
"I believe that he's gotten a raw deal from the media, that the media has tried to convict him wrongfully," he said. "When the facts come out, it'll show he acted in self-defense, that the police department made the proper decision in not arresting him, as there was not probable cause to make the arrest."
I say This guy isn't going to get a fair trial, especially if theres any blacks on the jury
Mallcops who are delusional and think they are real cops need to look at this tragedy and hopefully it will be a reality-check for them.
We had a security guard at a mall I frequent with the same wannabe cop complex, he actually started asking people whom he didnt like the looks of for ID. Unfuckingbelievable!
We had a security guard at a mall I frequent with the same wannabe cop complex, he actually started asking people whom he didnt like the looks of for ID. Unfuckingbelievable!
New Black Panther Party chief of staff Michelle Williams apologizes after George Zimmerman radio outburst
It is the actions of this so called leader, and her out right ignorance, hatred, and intolerance that keeps the raicial issue alive and breeding. As a leader of any orgainization, you must be able to rise above the rest, and show quality postive leadership. It is one thing to be passionate about a cause, and quit another to lay down in the cudder, and allow your emotions to get the best of you, with name calling, hatred, and ignorance.
People want to be accepted for the color of their skin, but do not want to compromise, in a meeting of the minds. Folks will judge based on not just color of skin, but also on the charactor of the indivindual. If you act like a fool, talk like a fool, they folks are going to judge you a fool, no matter what color your skin is. Again, if you want folks to respect you, then you need to project a positive, controlled additude.
They are accussing Zimmerman to of going off half cocked, and yet they can not evey control themselves without going off half cocked?? And then turning around and demanding to be heard, when none of them have actually heard, all the facts???? They just do not understand. . . .most the time when someone is really gunned down in cold blood, it becomes very difficult to find an alleged suspect. Zimmerman, in no way denied he was the shooter. He cooperated 100% with authorities. I totally understand they want justice. But what does justice mean to them??? That is the part I do not get.
Prosecution, will not bother with an arrest, unless they are sure they have an actual case, and can make the charges stick, though out the process of a complete trial. All these folks seem to care about is an arrest. Well, they got that now what??? Are they going to go about their business now, and leave it up to those who are in authority???? I doubt it.
It is the actions of this so called leader, and her out right ignorance, hatred, and intolerance that keeps the raicial issue alive and breeding. As a leader of any orgainization, you must be able to rise above the rest, and show quality postive leadership. It is one thing to be passionate about a cause, and quit another to lay down in the cudder, and allow your emotions to get the best of you, with name calling, hatred, and ignorance.
People want to be accepted for the color of their skin, but do not want to compromise, in a meeting of the minds. Folks will judge based on not just color of skin, but also on the charactor of the indivindual. If you act like a fool, talk like a fool, they folks are going to judge you a fool, no matter what color your skin is. Again, if you want folks to respect you, then you need to project a positive, controlled additude.
They are accussing Zimmerman to of going off half cocked, and yet they can not evey control themselves without going off half cocked?? And then turning around and demanding to be heard, when none of them have actually heard, all the facts???? They just do not understand. . . .most the time when someone is really gunned down in cold blood, it becomes very difficult to find an alleged suspect. Zimmerman, in no way denied he was the shooter. He cooperated 100% with authorities. I totally understand they want justice. But what does justice mean to them??? That is the part I do not get.
Prosecution, will not bother with an arrest, unless they are sure they have an actual case, and can make the charges stick, though out the process of a complete trial. All these folks seem to care about is an arrest. Well, they got that now what??? Are they going to go about their business now, and leave it up to those who are in authority???? I doubt it.
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The charges that Zimmerman could face include second-degree murder and manslaughter.
According to MSNBC, first-degree murder is not an option because Corey did not take the case to a grand jury.
Murder in the second degree, under Florida law, is defined as “the unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual.”
To charge Zimmerman with murder in the second degree, the state would need to prove that he committed the act regardless of human life.
Zimmerman’s attorneys, however, could argue the shooting was “lawful” because it was done in self-defense.
A conviction of murder in the second degree is punishable by life in prison under Florida law.
The other possible charge, manslaughter, is defined as a killing done without premeditation, and is often handed down when the killer is judged to have been caught in the “heat of the moment.”
Under Florida law, manslaughter is described as “the killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification... and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder.”
An argument of negligence in this case could be made if prosecutors proved Zimmerman followed Martin, even after a police dispatcher told him not to.
A conviction of manslaughter is punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
According to MSNBC, first-degree murder is not an option because Corey did not take the case to a grand jury.
Murder in the second degree, under Florida law, is defined as “the unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual.”
To charge Zimmerman with murder in the second degree, the state would need to prove that he committed the act regardless of human life.
Zimmerman’s attorneys, however, could argue the shooting was “lawful” because it was done in self-defense.
A conviction of murder in the second degree is punishable by life in prison under Florida law.
The other possible charge, manslaughter, is defined as a killing done without premeditation, and is often handed down when the killer is judged to have been caught in the “heat of the moment.”
Under Florida law, manslaughter is described as “the killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification... and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder.”
An argument of negligence in this case could be made if prosecutors proved Zimmerman followed Martin, even after a police dispatcher told him not to.
A conviction of manslaughter is punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
George Zimmerman gets $150,000 bond, apologized to Martin family
Bond was set at $150,000 for George Zimmerman, who also took the stand to apologize to Trayvon Martin's family during the hearing in his second-degree murder case.
Zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder for shooting and killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in February.
12:15 - De la Rionda asks the media to be patient and wait for the trial.
12:10 - De la Rionda says he will not get into the specifics of the case, says the facts of the case will come out at trial.
12:07 p.m. - Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda speaks to the media.
11:51 a.m. - Press conference with Martin family attorneys is over.
11:49 - Martin family attorney Jasmine Rand says there was some very important evidence presented in regards to Zimmerman's criminal history.
11:44 - Martin family attorney Natalie Jackson calls Zimmerman's apology insulting to the family.
11:41 - "Why today, when he made all those statements to the police, why not show remorse there if he was sincerely apologetic for killing this child,” said Crump. Crump says Trayvon’s father had tears in his eyes during the hearing.
11:39 - Martin Family attorney Benjamin Crump speaks to the media.
11:35 - Press Conference with Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, ends.
11:32 - Trayvon Martin's family left the courthouse, did not talk to the media.
11:30 - "It’s easy to say we’re pandering to the family. That was not George’s purpose. The purpose was to look at the request from mom and respond to it. There’s a human side where a young man’s life was lost and that should not be ignored," said O'Mara.
11:28 - O'Mara says that what Zimmerman said on the stand is all that he wanted to say.
11:23 - In a press conference after the hearing, O'Mara says he saw Trayvon Martin's mother say she wanted to hear from Zimmerman, and his client wanted to respond.
11:15 - The bond hearing is over.
11:11 - Orders no contact with the victim's family. No possession of firearms. No consumption of alcohol. Sets a curfew. Must advise the sheriff's office of his location every three days.
11:10 - Judge Lester sets bond at $150,000 with some conditions. Zimmerman will not be released today.
11:04 - De la Rionda says the state's position is that Zimmerman has a past of violent crimes that show a lack of adhering to authority, based on the crime the bond should be none or $1 million.
11:02 - O'Mara asks for $15,000 and to allow him to leave the state, and keep his location secret via a gps monitoring device.
10:59 - Zimmerman steps down off the stand. Sybrina Fulton does not look at him.
10:54 - "I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son. I did not how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am, and I did not know if he was armed or not," said Zimmerman.
10:53 - Zimmerman stands to make a statement to the court
10:52 - O'Mara presents a copy of Zimmerman's medical records regarding his broken nose.
10:46 - Gilbreath says evidence says the gunshot was in close proximity due to powder burns on the sweatshirt and stippling.
10:44 - O'Mara asks if there is evidence that contradicts Zimmerman turned back to his car. Gilbreath says he has nothing to indicate he did or did not do that.
10:40 - Gilbreath says he does not know who started the fight.
10:38 - Gilbreath is asked about what evidence there is that Zimmerman followed Martin. Gilbreath said there was a witness that observed shadows or figures running by her residence. Gilbreath says a call Martin was on is also evidence.
10:35 - O'Mara objects to a line of questions from the prosecutor about a possible confrontation between Zimmerman and Martin.
10:30 - Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda questions Gilbreath about the probable cause affidavit.
10:25 - Gilbreath says the State Attorney's Office did not personally analyze the audio recordings.
10:20 - O’Mara questions Gilbreath, underlining the following portion of the probable cause affidavit: “Zimmerman who didn’t want the person he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime to get away before the police arrived.” O'Mara says investigators used "antagonist" words in the arresting affidavit.
10:15 - Investigator Dale Gilbreath is questioned about "profiling."
10:08 -- New witness: One of two investigators with the state Attorney's Office takes the stand.
10:05 -- Gladys Zimmerman says George volunteered as a mentor for young kids, and mentored two black kids in a rough neighborhood.
10:00 -- Gladys Zimmerman says she is aware her son is charged with second-degree murder. She is retired, and swears to abide by the conditions of bond, if granted. She says she is aware of George's previous arrests, and testified about George's history of coming to the defense of others.
9:51 -- Gladys Zimmerman, George's mother, calls in via phone.
9:50 -- Trayvon Martin's father, Tracy Martin, is seen chuckling after Zimmerman's father says he would "turn the other cheek." Robert Zimmerman says his son was always interested in criminal justice, and was aware of George's involvement in neighborhood watch. He says he saw scars on the back of George's head the morning after the shooting, after "his head was beaten in."
9:40 -- Robert Zimmerman Sr., George's father, calls in via phone. He vouches for his son, saying he will fulfill the conditions of bond, if granted. He says he is a disabled veteran, and does not have great income, and plans to put his home up for sale to help pay for his son's release.
9:35 -- Shelly Zimmerman says her husband has gone to anger management classes after a previous arrest for battery against an officer.
9:30 -- Shelly Zimmerman says she left Florida. While her husband was in hiding, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement was monitoring his activities. She also says she has gotten hate mail.
9:25 -- Shelly Zimmerman admits she was aware her husband has had prior incidents with police officers. She says she will show up for court, and testifies that she is a nurse and a student, but is currently not working.
9:15 -- Shelly Zimmerman, George's wife, calls in to the hearnig via telephone. She said she has been married to George for five years.
9:10 -- O'Mara turns over Zimmerman's passport to the court.
9:05 a.m. -- George Zimmerman is in Courtroom 5D, wearing a suit and tie. Attorney Mark O'Mara is seated at his right. Also in the courtroom are Florida state attorney Angela Corey, Trayvon Martin's parents and theri attorney, Benjamin Crump.
Bond was set at $150,000 for George Zimmerman, who also took the stand to apologize to Trayvon Martin's family during the hearing in his second-degree murder case.
Zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder for shooting and killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in February.
12:15 - De la Rionda asks the media to be patient and wait for the trial.
12:10 - De la Rionda says he will not get into the specifics of the case, says the facts of the case will come out at trial.
12:07 p.m. - Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda speaks to the media.
11:51 a.m. - Press conference with Martin family attorneys is over.
11:49 - Martin family attorney Jasmine Rand says there was some very important evidence presented in regards to Zimmerman's criminal history.
11:44 - Martin family attorney Natalie Jackson calls Zimmerman's apology insulting to the family.
11:41 - "Why today, when he made all those statements to the police, why not show remorse there if he was sincerely apologetic for killing this child,” said Crump. Crump says Trayvon’s father had tears in his eyes during the hearing.
11:39 - Martin Family attorney Benjamin Crump speaks to the media.
11:35 - Press Conference with Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, ends.
11:32 - Trayvon Martin's family left the courthouse, did not talk to the media.
11:30 - "It’s easy to say we’re pandering to the family. That was not George’s purpose. The purpose was to look at the request from mom and respond to it. There’s a human side where a young man’s life was lost and that should not be ignored," said O'Mara.
11:28 - O'Mara says that what Zimmerman said on the stand is all that he wanted to say.
11:23 - In a press conference after the hearing, O'Mara says he saw Trayvon Martin's mother say she wanted to hear from Zimmerman, and his client wanted to respond.
11:15 - The bond hearing is over.
11:11 - Orders no contact with the victim's family. No possession of firearms. No consumption of alcohol. Sets a curfew. Must advise the sheriff's office of his location every three days.
11:10 - Judge Lester sets bond at $150,000 with some conditions. Zimmerman will not be released today.
11:04 - De la Rionda says the state's position is that Zimmerman has a past of violent crimes that show a lack of adhering to authority, based on the crime the bond should be none or $1 million.
11:02 - O'Mara asks for $15,000 and to allow him to leave the state, and keep his location secret via a gps monitoring device.
10:59 - Zimmerman steps down off the stand. Sybrina Fulton does not look at him.
10:54 - "I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son. I did not how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am, and I did not know if he was armed or not," said Zimmerman.
10:53 - Zimmerman stands to make a statement to the court
10:52 - O'Mara presents a copy of Zimmerman's medical records regarding his broken nose.
10:46 - Gilbreath says evidence says the gunshot was in close proximity due to powder burns on the sweatshirt and stippling.
10:44 - O'Mara asks if there is evidence that contradicts Zimmerman turned back to his car. Gilbreath says he has nothing to indicate he did or did not do that.
10:40 - Gilbreath says he does not know who started the fight.
10:38 - Gilbreath is asked about what evidence there is that Zimmerman followed Martin. Gilbreath said there was a witness that observed shadows or figures running by her residence. Gilbreath says a call Martin was on is also evidence.
10:35 - O'Mara objects to a line of questions from the prosecutor about a possible confrontation between Zimmerman and Martin.
10:30 - Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda questions Gilbreath about the probable cause affidavit.
10:25 - Gilbreath says the State Attorney's Office did not personally analyze the audio recordings.
10:20 - O’Mara questions Gilbreath, underlining the following portion of the probable cause affidavit: “Zimmerman who didn’t want the person he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime to get away before the police arrived.” O'Mara says investigators used "antagonist" words in the arresting affidavit.
10:15 - Investigator Dale Gilbreath is questioned about "profiling."
10:08 -- New witness: One of two investigators with the state Attorney's Office takes the stand.
10:05 -- Gladys Zimmerman says George volunteered as a mentor for young kids, and mentored two black kids in a rough neighborhood.
10:00 -- Gladys Zimmerman says she is aware her son is charged with second-degree murder. She is retired, and swears to abide by the conditions of bond, if granted. She says she is aware of George's previous arrests, and testified about George's history of coming to the defense of others.
9:51 -- Gladys Zimmerman, George's mother, calls in via phone.
9:50 -- Trayvon Martin's father, Tracy Martin, is seen chuckling after Zimmerman's father says he would "turn the other cheek." Robert Zimmerman says his son was always interested in criminal justice, and was aware of George's involvement in neighborhood watch. He says he saw scars on the back of George's head the morning after the shooting, after "his head was beaten in."
9:40 -- Robert Zimmerman Sr., George's father, calls in via phone. He vouches for his son, saying he will fulfill the conditions of bond, if granted. He says he is a disabled veteran, and does not have great income, and plans to put his home up for sale to help pay for his son's release.
9:35 -- Shelly Zimmerman says her husband has gone to anger management classes after a previous arrest for battery against an officer.
9:30 -- Shelly Zimmerman says she left Florida. While her husband was in hiding, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement was monitoring his activities. She also says she has gotten hate mail.
9:25 -- Shelly Zimmerman admits she was aware her husband has had prior incidents with police officers. She says she will show up for court, and testifies that she is a nurse and a student, but is currently not working.
9:15 -- Shelly Zimmerman, George's wife, calls in to the hearnig via telephone. She said she has been married to George for five years.
9:10 -- O'Mara turns over Zimmerman's passport to the court.
9:05 a.m. -- George Zimmerman is in Courtroom 5D, wearing a suit and tie. Attorney Mark O'Mara is seated at his right. Also in the courtroom are Florida state attorney Angela Corey, Trayvon Martin's parents and theri attorney, Benjamin Crump.
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