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18 Things Feminism Has Destroyed

Lisbeth, I love your style...you make a great spokewoman and people that know me know I don't suck up!

As someone who has grown up around all guys, I am a firm believer in standing up for the rights of men and boys.. and understand VERY well how and why men suffer as well as women suffer because of our cultural expectations of what it means to be male and female... THIS IS FEMINISM.
 
And it's difficult to have the discussions about race, gender, etc. equality because if you are not part of the group with a grievance, anything you say will get you labeled as a racist, sexist, etc.


Women should not be treated any differently than a man. They should have all of the same opportunities and benefits that men have.....but they should also have to have all the responsibilities that men have also. If we honestly want equality for all, then the rules should apply to everyone equally regardless of race, gender, religion, etc. Right?

That's fine in theory, if you ignore historical context, as many apologists do. After centuries/decades of struggle, oppression, harrassment suddenly the group is supposed to magically stop feeling resentment for past wrongs and bahaviours that are still being perpetuated (see the latest Trump pussy comment, or Brock Turner's sentencing, or Russia's gender policies). Germans have made restitution and implemented some of the strictest anti-racism laws/policies in the world, yet the Jews still harp on their past behaviour, despite the country having stopped its antisemitic practices 6 decades ago, and that's still ok.

My point is that it's very hard to let go of past institional and systemic grievances, especially when they are still perpetuated today.

Furthermore, there's the issue of violence: Men are physically stronger than women. It's something most guys don't think about unless they accidentally walk late at night in a bad neighbourhood. Ask any woman, even the badass ones, and they will tell you every day is like walking at night in a bad neighbourhood. It shapes their entire view, from what they wear, to what they say, to what jobs they choose.

This is what MRA's like Canada Man have no understanding about, no matter how many times they are proven wrong. They post BS stats and quotes from opinion pieces that feed their confirmation bias, all the while promoting rape culture and sexist apologism
 
That's fine in theory, if you ignore historical context, as many apologists do. After centuries/decades of struggle, oppression, harrassment suddenly the group is supposed to magically stop feeling resentment for past wrongs and bahaviours that are still being perpetuated (see the latest Trump pussy comment, or Brock Turner's sentencing, or Russia's gender policies). Germans have made restitution and implemented some of the strictest anti-racism laws/policies in the world, yet the Jews still harp on their past behaviour, despite the country having stopped its antisemitic practices 6 decades ago, and that's still ok.

My point is that it's very hard to let go of past institional and systemic grievances, especially when they are still perpetuated today.

Furthermore, there's the issue of violence: Men are physically stronger than women. It's something most guys don't think about unless they accidentally walk late at night in a bad neighbourhood. Ask any woman, even the badass ones, and they will tell you every day is like walking at night in a bad neighbourhood. It shapes their entire view, from what they wear, to what they say, to what jobs they choose.

This is what MRA's like Canada Man have no understanding about, no matter how many times they are proven wrong. They post BS stats and quotes from opinion pieces that feed their confirmation bias, all the while promoting rape culture and sexist apologism

Exactly... all I saw from those links he posted is a sad sap poor me view about being a MAN and how masculinity is so fragile. If men actually had the experience of being a female for a day or two they would definitely feel continuously threatened throughout their lives... I am one of the lucky SPs who has not had to deal with violence in this industry, however I experienced a lot in my personal life growing up before I even thought about being in this industry. Which I guess was good training for being able to scout out arseholes nowadays and be able to protect myself.

Sexism, racism and oppression of many forms is something so ingrained in our culture, we often don't see it.
 
This is what MRA's like Canada Man have no understanding about, no matter how many times they are proven wrong. They post BS stats and quotes from opinion pieces that feed their confirmation bias, all the while promoting rape culture and sexist apologism


show me a post where i promote rape culture and sexism towards women?

try to debunk the "BS" stats i posted


Exactly... all I saw from those links he posted is a sad sap poor me view about being a MAN and how masculinity is so fragile

where in my post where i said masculinity is so fragile? the last time i check feminists are the only ones that using that as a strawman argument.
 
where in my post where i said masculinity is so fragile? the last time i check feminists are the only ones that using that as a strawman argument.

All I am hearing is your tiny violin playing.
 
show me a post where i promote rape culture and sexism towards women?

try to debunk the "BS" stats i posted

where in my post where i said masculinity is so fragile? the last time i check feminists are the only ones that using that as a strawman argument.

Dude, your entire list of links in post #13 are of youtube videos, blogs, and MRA websites, all of which use each other to support each other. It's the same defence used by anti-vaxxers and chemtrailers. You start by saying A is true with no credible backing, then post B and C, both of which use A as a source. Then further insist A is true because B and C use it as a source. It's freaking ridiculous.

And all these point to how men are victims, hence Lizbeth's comment about you seeing masculinity as fragile. I'm really sorry you see it that way, but the rest of us cis, white, straight men think being one is a pretty sweet deal in this society. Your "what about the menz:Crying2:" posts derails from the fact women are still treated as property, judged on looks instead of performance, harassed and raped with little to no consequence (again, see Brock Turner). YOU contribute to rape culture. YOU are why feminism is needed.
 
Dude, your entire list of links in post #13 are of youtube videos, blogs, and MRA websites, all of which use each other to support each other. It's the same defence used by anti-vaxxers and chemtrailers. You start by saying A is true with no credible backing, then post B and C, both of which use A as a source. Then further insist A is true because B and C use it as a source. It's freaking ridiculous.

And all these point to how men are victims, hence Lizbeth's comment about you seeing masculinity as fragile. I'm really sorry you see it that way, but the rest of us cis, white, straight men think being one is a pretty sweet deal in this society. Your "what about the menz:Crying2:" posts derails from the fact women are still treated as property, judged on looks instead of performance, harassed and raped with little to no consequence (again, see Brock Turner). YOU contribute to rape culture. YOU are why feminism is needed.


so instead of showing a post where you claim i am contributing to rape culture and sexism you respond with more personal attacks and strawman arguments. why do you say i am why feminism is needed? where did i advocated stripping women of their human and civil rights? why does me criticizing the ideology of feminism bring so much anger and vitrol? again show me posts where i advocated rape culture and sexism against women.
 
CanadaMan,

I'm just going to say this:

Feminism is about equality. If you refuse to check your male privilege because you don't feel comfortable doing that, you are part of the problem with girls and women, but also boys and men. That is feminism's ultimate end-game, total equality.

Olivia out.
 
telling me to check my male privilege is condensing and patronizing i won't be addressed in that tone. none of you don't know if i came from a poor, middle class, or a rich family, stop telling men to "check their privilege" when you know nothing about the environment and family situations they grew up in. i will not be talk to nor addressed in that condescending, patronizing tone of voice.
 
so instead of showing a post where you claim i am contributing to rape culture and sexism you respond with more personal attacks and strawman arguments. why do you say i am why feminism is needed? where did i advocated stripping women of their human and civil rights? why does me criticizing the ideology of feminism bring so much anger and vitrol? again show me posts where i advocated rape culture and sexism against women.

Please re-read post #30. It answers your questions. Furthermore, please look up what strawman argument fallacy and "personal attacks" really means.
 
no you didn't answer my questions state where i specifically support rape culture and sexism towards women
 
So your answer is what? As a descendant of Spaniards, I should hold a grudge against Italians (for their dominance of the Iberian Peninsula as Romans), Muslims (For their enslavement of my people and their takeover of my ancestors lands).


We have to let go of the past or things cannot move forward. I judge people as individuals and based on their actions. Saying that all women have the same experience, or that all men behave the same way....or races, religions, etc. only continues the problems. Judging someone for what another member of their group did is unjust. I do not apologize for what other people do because those are their actions, not mine. If a person acts unjustly, then they should be punished according to the law. But to just claim that an entire group has done wrong......is just wrong.

It's getting stupid too. Right now, a man can be labeled negatively or positively for opening a door for a lady....or presuming to pay the check for dinner. Again....and again.....to be equal, we have to remove all the labels and be willing to be judge on our actions. Person A did something to Person B......not.....A white male did something to a minority female so therefore we know the guy was in the wrong.

Totally, 100% agree with you. Which is why I don't take offence if I read a "Men are shitty" blog or article. I try very hard not to be a shitty white guy, or male, or straight, or cis. I do still read some of these pieces because we are inherently biased in our privilege, but if I don't do the thing they write about, I congratulate myself and go on living.

The issue here is that women are still treated as chattel. Nobel prize winning scientists are called ugly. Olympic champions are referred to as the girlfriend of X instead of being her own person. Women get cat-called on the street and then threatened with violence when they confront the offender. The OP seems to inexplicably like to ignore these facts, preferring to intimidate folks with his cherry-picked, BS links, MRA youtube vids, and snopes-disproved studies. When confronted, he engages in sophistry and deflection. It's an established pattern. Frankly at this point, it's embarassing.

Instead, he should be reading this: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/gret...-women-do-you-dont-know-about_b_8630416.html?
It's what women have to deal with every day, today, when supposedly the battle of the sexes is over and done. This is why we need feminism.
 
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Primo...a grudge against the Italians. :Crying2: Bad news for guido....BUT....the good news is that primo let go of the past. You are safe Guido. :biggrin2:
 
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