Agency Poaching

[ERecTile]

It gives a new meaning to 'Headhunters'.

You made me laugh out loud! :shout:

 

[Jasper]

There's nothing wrong with poaching, recruiting, headhunting as long as there isn't deceit to her involved. Each agency is a different fit and she might benefit from a change.

BTW, isn't "white knighting" trying to help escorts with threads like this? Why so much disdain for the term? :unknw:

 

[Jasper]

@jesseJames, that's a bit harsh and uncalled for. Although I'm against his modis operendi, I think he's quite capable of getting who he wants from where ever. None of us here is any better than the next, and no one should feel the right to name call or belittle.

If you're against his methods, what wrong with calling him out on them? :unknw:

 

[JessieJames]

I'm telling you to STFU because like most "Members" of this board, all you care about is getting your dick in vagina and are true WK's when it comes to being blind about the industry and all it's dirty little secrets and defending agencies or suspect behaviour because you don't have the balls to question anyone in public. Why don't you take this home tonight and discuss it with your wife, kids, GF or friends....? Yeah, that's what I thought. So STFU.

The truth is the members of this board who review and move on is what makes a good client. The vindictive individual who tries to make a relationship out of a business transaction is the one who I would avoid like a plague.

You can see your own post where you start throwing insults at him, he didn't address you first.

Jesse - we've talked about this before. You can't just lurk all year, then drop in once every few months with your criticism and judgement when you haven't been following the plot. :NoNoNo:

Try again, I didn't insult him. I addressed him in a polite fashion and he became aggressive. Just as you address members here and on the red board. I'm sure Lynn would agree you jumped on her with valid points I agree but nevertheless you addressed her did you not?

I'm a member here as you, do I not have a right to post my opinion as you do or do you feel because you have a bigger post count, this allows you an advantage with more weight behind your opinion?

 

[User-E]

The truth is the members of this board who review and move on is what makes a good client. The vindictive individual who tries to make a relationship out of a business transaction is the one who I would avoid like a plague.



Try again, I didn't insult him. I addressed him in a polite fashion and he became aggressive. Just as you address members here and on the red board. I'm sure Lynn would agree you jumped on her with valid points I agree but nevertheless you addressed her did you not?

I'm a member here as you, do I not have a right to post my opinion as you do or do you feel because you have a bigger post count, this allows you an advantage with more weight behind your opinion?

I do give far less weight to the opinions of strangers, as opposed to those I interact with daily. The same principle applies to any group of people who know each other quite well, when a virtual stranger steps in to offer an opinion. You're entitled to it, but I still think you were the aggressor.

If you had read all of Fugg's posts you would know that Agency owners do in fact respond to his threads.

 

[cristycurves]

If you're against his methods, what wrong with calling him out on them? :unknw:

I have and did in this thread. I think you'll notice, I've no issue confronting anyone or stating my opinion. I'm not a person who favors or who has bias. So when ever I feel a post wrong, no matter who authors it, I'll say. We all have a right to speak, but no one needs to name call, imo.

 

[JessieJames]

I do give far less weight to the opinions of strangers, as opposed to those I interact with daily. The same principle applies to any group of people who know each other quite well, when a virtual stranger steps in to offer an opinion. You're entitled to it, but I still think you were the aggressor.

If you had read all of Fugg's posts you would know that Agency owners do in fact respond to his threads.

The fact that here you are part of the clique but on the other board you are actually very quiet except for 2017 which shows more activity, so based on your thinking, you should be ignored and belittled on the other side because you only pop in here and there?

You can read it anyway you choose but I believe most would agree he was the aggressor and if I remember correctly Mirage's posts were not very complimentary of the OP, as a matter of fact Andy took exception to the OP comments. I do not have to log on to read the lobby so once again I thank you for your in correct assumption, I'm up to speed thank you very much.

 

[User-E]

The fact that here you are part of the clique but on the other board you are actually very quiet except for 2017 which shows more activity, so based on your thinking, you should be ignored and belittled on the other side because you only pop in here and there?

It felt really good to vent my frustration with Lynn.

I am not part of any clique. I post a welcome to many of the new people here, and try to make everybody feel comfortable posting (except for trolls of course).

Myself and reverdy are the only people I know who have regularly posted on all 3 of Fred's boards, along with this one. I have built up a lot of cred on those boards over the years, and have had a national impact on the industry. Fred knows me and the mods all across the country know me, and trust my intel.

After I moved, I never intended to post on the other boards again, until the issue of trafficking caught my attention, and I figured I had information that was worth sharing on all of them.

Then the hacking happened, and once again I have helpful info to share, so I do, on all 4 boards.

 

[JessieJames]

It felt really good to vent my frustration with Lynn.

I am not part of any clique. I post a welcome to many of the new people here, and try to make everybody feel comfortable posting (except for trolls of course).

Myself and reverdy are the only people I know who have regularly posted on all 3 of Fred's boards, along with this one. I have built up a lot of cred on those boards over the years, and have had a national impact on the industry. Fred knows me and the mods all across the country know me, and trust my intel.

After I moved, I never intended to post on the other boards again, until the issue of trafficking caught my attention, and I figured I had information that was worth sharing on all of them.

Then the hacking happened, and once again I have helpful info to share, so I do, on all 4 boards.

Fantastic, congratulations. Give yourself a big pat on the back but please do not try and control the opinion of other members like myself here and let me have my say as you do yours on all 4 boards.

 

[User-E]

Fantastic, congratulations. Give yourself a big pat on the back but please do not try and control the opinion of other members like myself here and let me have my say as you do yours on all 4 boards.

You're right, I'm sorry, I apologize. The way I worded my comments to you made it sound like I was trying to control what you post, and that was not my intention.

My intention was to tell you not to expect me to pay any attention to your criticism and judgement, not that you shouldn't post it. EACE:

 

[Janelle@Sassys]

It felt really good to vent my frustration with Lynn.

I am not part of any clique. I post a welcome to many of the new people here, and try to make everybody feel comfortable posting (except for trolls of course).

Myself and reverdy are the only people I know who have regularly posted on all 3 of Fred's boards, along with this one. I have built up a lot of cred on those boards over the years, and have had a national impact on the industry. Fred knows me and the mods all across the country know me, and trust my intel.

After I moved, I never intended to post on the other boards again, until the issue of trafficking caught my attention, and I figured I had information that was worth sharing on all of them.

Then the hacking happened, and once again I have helpful info to share, so I do, on all 4 boards.

Not trying to hijack the thread but I felt like I needed to say my piece. Any sex worker that condones, participates in, or makes light of another sex worker being outed has no place in this industry.

 

[User-E]

Not trying to hijack the thread but I felt like I needed to say my piece. Any sex worker that condones, participates in, or makes light of another sex worker being outed has no place in this industry.

I totally agree with you.

 

[Fuggedabouditt]

The truth is the members of this board who review and move on is what makes a good client. The vindictive individual who tries to make a relationship out of a business transaction is the one who I would avoid like a plague.

What makes you think I'm vindictive when I accept a lady's invitation to have personal one on one time? I think that speaks volumes for the kind of person I am and am flattered by this invite. It means I'm either exceptional or have deep pockets. I don't have deep pockets.

Clients like you, are ordinary run of the mill John's who look to make as many notches on your belt as possible. Below average and selfish. I am extraordinary. See the difference? Now go play in your sandbox by yourself little man.

I do give far less weight to the opinions of strangers, as opposed to those I interact with daily. The same principle applies to any group of people who know each other quite well, when a virtual stranger steps in to offer an opinion. You're entitled to it, but I still think you were the aggressor.

If you had read all of Fugg's posts you would know that Agency owners do in fact respond to his threads.

All except for the one (TDL) that I have the most inside dirt on. Where are you Don/Raj? Andy and I left on good terms once it seemed that I had valid points. That speaks volumes.

I have and did in this thread. I think you'll notice, I've no issue confronting anyone or stating my opinion. I'm not a person who favors or who has bias. So when ever I feel a post wrong, no matter who authors it, I'll say. We all have a right to speak, but no one needs to name call, imo.

I have no issue with you Cristy. I like it when you put people in their place. I welcome your challenges to my statements and questions.


For the rest of the onlookers. You are mostly ordinary clients. Plain and simple. You see your happy little world being challenged by someone like me who knows better and you still don't take your blinders off. I'm not saying that everything I say is truth, but it does have some teeth. I normally post examples that I can back up. If you don't like them, then I'm sorry for your ignorance. It's an ugly industry with deep dark secrets that you poor ordinary saps have no idea of.

Back on target....again.

There will always be poaching. For many years, I brought independents from BP and or other girls who were looking to get in to the industry to a few agencies. I was rewarded for this with free sessions. It was a small price to pay for the money they made from the girls' bookings. I accepted it gratefully. I was also on a TOFTT list and gave my feedback for discounted sessions. I happily did this too.

Somewhere down the line, I saw that I did not see as something I wanted to do anymore. It was after years of being on the inside and learning of all the fuckery that goes on that I didn't want to be on those teams. I listened to many SP's cry and get hurt because one of you fucksticks gave her a poor rating or said something mean about her.

Sometimes poaching can be a good thing. To get the girl out of a situation by giving her another option. But the smart SP will always know that she has other options. The SP who is comfortable and does not want or like change, will stay until motivated by a third party (poacher). The less educated SP is not long for the industry and a short shelf life.

 

[Fuggedabouditt]

Not trying to hijack the thread but I felt like I needed to say my piece. Any sex worker that condones, participates in, or makes light of another sex worker being outed has no place in this industry.

I totally agree with you.

It happens all the time behind closed doors. Does that make it any better?

 

[Janelle@Sassys]

It happens all the time behind closed doors. Does that make it any better?

I meant what I said as a blanket statement. Gossip is one thing, sharing personal/sensitive info is another. Public or private.

 

[Fuggedabouditt]

"Hello everyone. This is Yasmina
I would like to say that all of this information in regards to my recent agency change is incorrect. The owner of minx is not responsible for the decision I made. TDL is an awful place to work. They do not appricate the hard working girls any more. Drug use by working girls and unsafe environments are what we were expected to deal with. I will not be a part of an unsafe, careless working environment. Minx has nothing to do with my change. TDLs unprofessional ways is what made me finally say enough is enough. Please try to get the full story before bashing Minx, Thanks everyone."

"lol oh my. Obviously if it wasn't me, i would be saying that shit is not true.
Bottom line is, that right there is why I left. All of you can talk, talk, talk. Shitty that I'm the only girl that has worked for TDL
that can say, its about quantity not quality. Any girl is hired at that agency, and at the end of the day Raj doesn't give a fuck about any of them.
Some of these girls need help, and to me giving them an opportunity to stay on board is just another dollar for their next high. The good girls, should not settle for this bull shit. I reached out to the owner before leaving the agency with my concerns and his response to me was... Do what you need to do! I work hard and thats how I'm treated??
WTF?? So tell me Phillip, how well do you know Raj? Is this professional behaviour.. to allow this to happen to the sp's that work for you???"

 

[Fuggedabouditt]

"Let’s not go off on unwarranted tangents now. It’s also hypocritical as many of the girls reviewed in the Classifieds section are “owned” and you have not spoken up about that, but that’s another tangent.

Nobody owns Yasmina or any of the girls that work with (not for) TDL. You are all fortunate enough to live in a city where many girls have the option to work with agencies that operate with a code of ethics not to exploit girls. There is no Labour Code or Regulatory Body that provides us guidelines, we do this on our own. When you encounter an agency that treats the girls fairly, it should be appreciated and not overlooked.

From day 1 of our operation, TDL has always maintained a professional operation providing logistical services in a fair and ethical manner. This is demonstrated by our growing success over the last almost 5 years of operation. We started at 3 girls in Nov. 2012 and now average in the late 30’s. Vanessa has been with us for 4 years, Liliya/Izabella/Lexi/Taya 3 years. Yasmina began with us back on June 1, 2015 which would make her tenureship last 1 year and 8 months. Our roster is well-reviewed, well-respected, and very busy. As a male former co-owner and now owner, I have never crossed the line of getting involved with any of the girls who worked with us nor have I booked appointments with other agency girls with the intent of bringing them over to our roster. This is a promise I made to Liz from the start and I have never broken it to date. Many clients ask the girls on a consistent ongoing basis if they’re happy to work with us and how it is, if there were anything scrupulous going on, I’m sure you would have heard of it a long time ago. Above and beyond my duties as an owner, I have done many things to help the girls such as help them save money for personal objectives (not $1 missing), tutored mathematics, tutored business/accounting (Yasmina set up her personal business as a result of this), provided places to stay, countless dinners, and more.

In regards to other agencies mentioned in this thread, I can attest that Toronto Passions and Mirage also operate in this manner. About 2 years ago, I was fortunate enough to be invited to a group of agency owners (which included Toronto Passions and Mirage) that wanted to form a self-regulatory body in light of the upcoming change in laws and it was our shared ethical perspective that got us through many months of meetings and collaboration to the point of finalizing a code-of-conduct. If Minx were to apply to be governed by this code of conduct, they would not be approved.

So here’s how you can break this down:

- It is correct, Julien booked an appointment with Yasmina in December. At the conclusion of their intimacy, he informed Yasmina he was the owner of Minx and made her an offer to switch agencies. Any good agency owner doesn’t need to do this, it’s not acceptable in the real world, why should it be ok here?
- Many of our girls and other great girls want an environment they can work in without the threat of inappropriate conduct from Management
- If Yasmina is willing to work with an agency owner she had inappropriate relations with, either her morals have changed, or she’s begun a relationship with Julien which would explain the vitriol in her defence of his unethical behaviour

The reason why you haven’t seen drama like this between agencies is that for many years now, there hasn’t been. It’s only takes 1…

Don
[FONT=Ubuntu, Proxima-nova, Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]TDL"

[FONT=Ubuntu, Proxima-nova, Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Bolded 1 - Frequent client of SFTO
[FONT=Ubuntu, Proxima-nova, Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Bolded 2 - I don't know of one lady who's taken advantage of his "offers".
[FONT=Ubuntu, Proxima-nova, Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Bolded 3 - What happened to all for one, one for all? So from 2 years ago, he was ostracized?
[FONT=Ubuntu, Proxima-nova, Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Bolded 4 - Nice deflection. This girl is 100% centred on NOT having a relationship.

[FONT=Ubuntu, Proxima-nova, Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]I don't know why Liz left, but since then, it's been a shitshow over there.

[FONT=Ubuntu, Proxima-nova, Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Maybe this poach was warranted. I've know Yaz almost from day one.

 

[cristycurves]

@Fugged, thank you. Although I don't try and put people in their place, I just speak to what I find right or wrong, and in doing so I'm not making personal attacks, at least that's not my intention. My view point is different than some, since I've been a service operator, and an independent.Concerning this topic, I do see things As JesseJames sees them. You see them as you do. No matter, no one here will convince anyone to be different. I think we're all to hard headed for that, lol. But and again, no one imo, has more right on this forum to post or not post, to be more respected or disrespected, since we're all members. Regardless of how often we participate.

 

[Fuggedabouditt]

"All of you men can settle this in your meeting on Monday. As far as I'm conserered, I have never, ever been treated better then I have since being with Minx. So ladies, just a reminder that there are respectful agencies out there that will treat you the way you deserve to be treated. Never settle. Thank you minx for opening my eyes Xoxo"

Looks like this poach wasn't a poach at all but a very beautiful, intelligent and well reviewed lady having enough of TDL's bullshit. She and I often spoke about the conveyor belt of clients that the booker would line up. She hated it. She never watched the clock with me. I know of quite a few ladies who've worked there and left because of all the same reasons.

 

[Fuggedabouditt]

I meant what I said as a blanket statement. Gossip is one thing, sharing personal/sensitive info is another. Public or private.

And my remark a blanket statement as well. This will be a separate thread.