Bill C36

[Baz]

Hello everyone, as we all know the new law is quickly approaching it's day of legitimacy. I am curious what most here will be doing once December is upon us? I am disappointed at the path taken to achieve this, being a Conservative supporter I do believe this law was rushed in at the expense of decent folks. I hope everyone will be safe during this time, my best wishes to the ladies involved and the men who I hope are not ruined by a charge of prostitution.

 

[papasmerf]

Keep the Faith Bsz. Keep the Faith.

Been illegal here in the US longer than I have been alive, yet it thrives.

 

[Baz]

Keep the Faith Bsz. Keep the Faith.

Been illegal here in the US longer than I have been alive, yet it thrives.

It might thrive underground but many people have done the walk of shame on the front pages of local newspapers albeit here our privacy laws may keep a lid on photos.

 

[papasmerf]

It might thrive underground but many people have done the walk of shame on the front pages of local newspapers albeit here our privacy laws may keep a lid on photos.

time will tell

 

[jumpingjackflash]

Baz, get one more massage in before it is too late!

 

[Al Bumin]

Baz, why should you care :unknw:

 

[Angie]

I do not think their should be a panic yet, their are people and groups here in Vancouver like the pivot society that are working on this hours on end. For the ladies keep ads "clean" keep pictures "clean" I know Their is a big worry for the gents out there I do not think at least here in Vancouver and area the LE will be actively hunting anyone down and starting stings all over the place. They should just be focusing on the exploited and youth and helping those who do not want to be in the industry bur feel they have no choice.

Survival sex worker the one that are homeless and will have sex just for place to sleep for a few days, moms trying to fee there families and those addicted. As well as the asshole en and women who do profit from pimping. As for men you have to speak up for your rights and do not stop, stick with the ladies you usually see. Bottom line is it is not going to stop we as people Canadians need this type of service, all disabilities is a growing population seeking sexual services men and women

 

[papasmerf]

I do not think their should be a panic yet, their are people and groups here in Vancouver like the pivot society that are working on this hours on end. For the ladies keep ads "clean" keep pictures "clean" I know Their is a big worry for the gents out there I do not think at least here in Vancouver and area the LE will be actively hunting anyone down and starting stings all over the place. They should just be focusing on the exploited and youth and helping those who do not want to be in the industry bur feel they have no choice.

Survival sex worker the one that are homeless and will have sex just for place to sleep for a few days, moms trying to fee there families and those addicted. As well as the asshole en and women who do profit from pimping. As for men you have to speak up for your rights and do not stop, stick with the ladies you usually see. Bottom line is it is not going to stop we as people Canadians need this type of service, all disabilities is a growing population seeking sexual services men and women

Would you agree that eliminating PIMPS and stopping the exploitation of children. Would go along way?

 

[Guido]

Would you agree that eliminating PIMPS and stopping the exploitation of children. Would go along way?

I don't think anyone has ever claimed differently, the problem is this government has put consensual adults in the same barrel.

Trafficking, pimping and underage have always been illegal. I also do not think survival sex workers should be treated differently. If a person believes this is the best way to keep a roof over her head, food on the table for her kids and the government is not willing to support her, it is her body her choice.

 

[Angie]

I do not think eliminating pimps and targeting those who exploit children will go along way, with this law they will have them put the children and women further down underground, they are pushing them away into more danger. As for the women who will have sex to feed their children or sell them selves for a roof over their head, no it is not their choice and yes it is their body, they feel they have no choice because the government is not helping.

I have met them spoke with them, some with addiction issues or mentally ill. For some reason or other life has brought them where they are NOT A CHOICE!.
They do not know what options are out there there is not enough funding.

I do not care what media says they glamourize everything to make it sound good as do the politicians. All talk no action, for us who DO this by choice leave us alone, and leave the men who see us alone. I have met these ladies on the streets have you? Have you spoken to them, where they came from what brought hem to this? I work part time and this job is out reach driving or walking the streets to see if ladies are ok, hand out harm reduction supplies, give hem water, sandwiches. Tell them where they an help, but there is not enough places or funding help and Harper is not going to help them. Politics say the right thing so he can get the votes.

 

[dreamblade]

Hey Baz, thank you for the thoughtful empathy. It is really appreciated.

The problem here is conflating sexwork and trafficking. None in the prohibitionist camp wants to answer why they're targetting sexworkers, when trafficking is a wider problem. In fact, focusing on sexwork derails from anything being done about the real problem. As for the harm sexwork causes? I think all of us here, including Baz, knows that this is not the case. In fact, I would argue working in a call centre, in a convenience store, in a pub kitchen, as a soldier, or as an emergency response professional is much more damaging to your psyche. The rate of cases of depression, substance abuse, and PTSD is pretty rampant in these supposed noble professions.

Street-level sexwork is pretty bad, but it will continue, as others have pointed out here. Harm reduction strategies are proven to reduce its risks, punishment strategies exacerbate them. But prohibitionists don't see that, they wish it weren't so. They put their vision of the world, their morality, as more important than the reality, and people, providers, providers' partners, and clients, will be harmed by the acheivement of their agenda.

 

[Angie]

Thank You dreamblade for understanding what I have tried to point out.

 

[Dan]

Hey Baz, thank you for the thoughtful empathy. It is really appreciated.

The problem here is conflating sexwork and trafficking. None in the prohibitionist camp wants to answer why they're targetting sexworkers, when trafficking is a wider problem. In fact, focusing on sexwork derails from anything being done about the real problem. As for the harm sexwork causes? I think all of us here, including Baz, knows that this is not the case. In fact, I would argue working in a call centre, in a convenience store, in a pub kitchen, as a soldier, or as an emergency response professional is much more damaging to your psyche. The rate of cases of depression, substance abuse, and PTSD is pretty rampant in these supposed noble professions.

Street-level sexwork is pretty bad, but it will continue, as others have pointed out here. Harm reduction strategies are proven to reduce its risks, punishment strategies exacerbate them. But prohibitionists don't see that, they wish it weren't so. They put their vision of the world, their morality, as more important than the reality, and people, providers, providers' partners, and clients, will be harmed by the acheivement of their agenda.

What now?? What can be done besides waiting 5 years for the SCC to intercede and stop this government.

 

[dreamblade]

What now?? What can be done besides waiting 5 years for the SCC to intercede and stop this government.

Well, the city of Vancouver is making a stand against C36. Locally, there are several campaigns going asking Wynne to defer the case immediately to the Supreme Court of Ontario. I wrote and mailed a letter on Monday, used my real name.

What we all need to do is become more pro-active. I understand that everyone's position is different, but there are ways of being pro-decrim without outing yourself as a hobbyist: Be upset that there's so much focus on sex-work instead of trafficking, for instance, which happens in cleaning, restaurant, landscaping (...). Why are we not helping all people being trafficked? How C36 redefines consent, and how the government is starting to encroach into people's bedrooms. Why is Harper so keen on passing this bill, when he has been silent about the women abducted on the Highway of Tears? There are many ways of changing the dialogue while remaining anonymous.

As for hobbying itself, not much is going to change for us HUBGFEites. We know our indies, our agencies and their owners, we're polite, discrete, respectful. Let's continue being that way and all will be fine.