Discussion: Sexual Assault, Sexual Harassment and Boundary Pushing in the industry.

[JessieJames]

For example - I believe that any lady who works on her period without telling her client prior, is not obtaining informed consent. All consent is important. Just like it is for women, it is for men. And both equally deserve it. I will include lying about the pill too, but that generally doesn't get included in industry talk because it is assumed it is CFS.

Funny you mention this example. I seen a tweet from Jillian of Cupids who I will never use her agency again. She tweeted if an SP gets her period we should just accept it and deal with it. Yes, I agree it's not the ladies fault 100% but wouldn't some form of compensation or another session another day be appropriate, after all we did pay for a service? I find this as a double standard is becoming apparent in the industry among providers.

I also believe respect should be given from both parties and reasonable boundaries should be respected. I say "reasonable" as we are discussing the industry. A service is being paid for and that should be provided and as you mentioned, if it cannot then money returned and ask the client to leave.

Fuck this. I am gone, I don't feel welcomed anymore. Plus I can't even PM Big Guy anymore for advice. He is gone :Crying/:

Man are you a sensitive baby.

 

[The Voice]

Fuck this. I am gone, I don't feel welcomed anymore. Plus I can't even PM Big Guy anymore for advice. He is gone :Crying/:

What happened to contacting the mods with your issues?

 

[Google]

So, this is a very interesting thread, and I support Jessica's stated positions above. There is another reality in the industry that also bears discussion, and I'll use myself as an example.

Not long ago in this Board's Toxic Zone, the festering pile of shit known here as 'The Natural' posted a 'Fake News' thread accusing me not only of being a long-time solicitor and extortionist of BBFS, but also of getting numerous SP's pregnant only to abandon them and their children later and leaving them to their own devices.

Any SP or agency owner that knows me (and there are plenty) knows that these kind of accusations from douchebags like 'The Natural' are completely baseless and are only grounded in envy and petty jealousy, not in fact, and as such pretty much ignore it, as I have that thread. Chalk it up to being par for the course when being extremely active both in the industry and on the boards for many years. No big deal as far as I'm concerned.

Here's where it gets interesting.

This board's former darling - Cristy Curves - now gone from here and a vocal critic of this and every other ERB out there, has decided that she's going to teach me some sort of lesson. LOL! She has posted screen shots of the referenced 'Fake News' thread from this board, and has pinned them at the top of her public twitter feed, while continuing to accuse me online of the same bullshit, without a single shred of truth/fact. Then like the chicken shit she is, she tried to block me from seeing the account so I wouldn't know what she was doing.

On top of that, she has and continues to blog endlessly about me and my hobby endeavours never, to her knowledge, having ever even met me. She even goes so far as to suggest there are many other SP's out there that support her claims, but never actually names any of them of course.

Finally, I have been made aware by a number of the ladies that I frequent that she's even tried to post false bullshit on a couple of the private escort only forums, only to have them shot down by other ladies that know me.

In each case, the Fake News accusations in question are being posted on forums where I cannot refute them or defend against the lies and slander. Nice, huh? Very classy.

So, what to do?

I'll stop here for now and see how the conversation evolves before elaborating further.

I'm posting this here as this is IMO the same type of public harassment and abuse that Jessica has outlined as being experienced by the ladies in this industry. I wonder what the ladies feel is appropriate retribution for this type of behavior. I see many dudes being outed on Twitter with nary a blink of the eye by other SPs. Wonder what would happen if Ms. Curves were to be treated similarly?

Thought provoking to be sure...................

She is crazy. Write or wrong, you don't go out of your way to cause problems for another person you have never met.

 

[Jessica Rain]

Funny you mention this example. I seen a tweet from Jillian of Cupids who I will never use her agency again. She tweeted if an SP gets her period we should just accept it and deal with it. Yes, I agree it's not the ladies fault 100% but wouldn't some form of compensation or another session another day be appropriate, after all we did pay for a service? I find this as a double standard is becoming apparent in the industry among providers.

I also believe respect should be given from both parties and reasonable boundaries should be respected. I say "reasonable" as we are discussing the industry. A service is being paid for and that should be provided and as you mentioned, if it cannot then money returned and ask the client to leave.

I know I really am the minority with my stance on period work.

I have no problem with a woman working on her period. I even have no issues with her working and not compensating for a lower rate so long as it is known before the client shows up. There is always a confirmation before pre-booked appointments so that is the time to say "hey, I woke up and got my period, how would you like to proceed?" Appointments are based on time, not activity, so rates are rates.

When you show up and this has happened, where the period starts literally 10 mins prior to the client arriving. Then again, she should bring up the fact that she got her period, and then offer a compensation if the client chooses to the leave. Yes, not her fault, but he showed up and if he chooses to leave, that is his choice. You can offer a lower rate for lower services, but again - I don't like the "activity" based style rates, so I would not, but I get the reasons why some would.

For the period that happened to come during the actual session - ya, kinda got to get over that. It is not her fault at all. Nothing she can do about it. And since it is found out usually after the deed is done, again - I am not big on offering compensation for something that like this and let's be real, the deed is done so it was paid for.

My biggest issue is the escorts who use the sponge trick and just don't say anything at all. It is pure deceit and THAT is wrong. Because this is a service, when men make an appointment, they do so with the natural assumption that it will be period free sex. It is up to the woman to not only remain professional but to ensure she has proper INFORMED consent. Can't do that when you are hiding your period. These women have no idea why a man would have an issue regarding period blood, be it religious, culture or whatever, and no woman has the right to force a man to have period sex if he doesn't want to.

Now others have said to me that I have no right to tell ladies they can't earn a living because of a natural biological condition. However, to make it clear - I am not telling them they can't work or earn a living. I am just telling them they can't force a man to fuck them when on their period by hiding it. There are plenty of men who have no issues with period sex.

I will say that the one thing that pisses me off personally about it, is the idea that a woman's right to earn money seems to trump a man's right to choose, in their opinions. Which if you think about it, is really stupid. I have been getting my period for 30 years now. That is 12 periods a year for 30 years. I know when my period is coming, how long it will last, etc. There are apps that track this shit now. You can't tell me that you can't plan around it.

I have had to manage my period and mainstream work for years as well. I have to take off one day usually do to pain. So periods affect all work, and yet we manage. I don't think this industry should be any different.

We make good money for what we do. We should be able to manage our money enough to cover a couple of days off if need be but if not, then be honest. There will be clients who will see you, so why lie? Why hide it? I don't get it.

Again, just my opinion, which I know goes against the grain, but informed consent is not something I can comprise on simply because it is coming from a woman doing the wrong, not the guy. That is just wrong.

 

[Demonhunter]

So, this is a very interesting thread, and I support Jessica's stated positions above. There is another reality in the industry that also bears discussion, and I'll use myself as an example.

Not long ago in this Board's Toxic Zone, the festering pile of shit known here as 'The Natural' posted a 'Fake News' thread accusing me not only of being a long-time solicitor and extortionist of BBFS, but also of getting numerous SP's pregnant only to abandon them and their children later and leaving them to their own devices.

Any SP or agency owner that knows me (and there are plenty) knows that these kind of accusations from douchebags like 'The Natural' are completely baseless and are only grounded in envy and petty jealousy, not in fact, and as such pretty much ignore it, as I have that thread. Chalk it up to being par for the course when being extremely active both in the industry and on the boards for many years. No big deal as far as I'm concerned.

Here's where it gets interesting.

This board's former darling - Cristy Curves - now gone from here and a vocal critic of this and every other ERB out there, has decided that she's going to teach me some sort of lesson. LOL! She has posted screen shots of the referenced 'Fake News' thread from this board, and has pinned them at the top of her public twitter feed, while continuing to accuse me online of the same bullshit, without a single shred of truth/fact. Then like the chicken shit she is, she tried to block me from seeing the account so I wouldn't know what she was doing.

On top of that, she has and continues to blog endlessly about me and my hobby endeavours never, to her knowledge, having ever even met me. She even goes so far as to suggest there are many other SP's out there that support her claims, but never actually names any of them of course.

Finally, I have been made aware by a number of the ladies that I frequent that she's even tried to post false bullshit on a couple of the private escort only forums, only to have them shot down by other ladies that know me.

In each case, the Fake News accusations in question are being posted on forums where I cannot refute them or defend against the lies and slander. Nice, huh? Very classy.

So, what to do?

I'll stop here for now and see how the conversation evolves before elaborating further.

I'm posting this here as this is IMO the same type of public harassment and abuse that Jessica has outlined as being experienced by the ladies in this industry. I wonder what the ladies feel is appropriate retribution for this type of behavior. I see many dudes being outed on Twitter with nary a blink of the eye by other SPs. Wonder what would happen if Ms. Curves were to be treated similarly?

Thought provoking to be sure...................

Thought provoking to be sure for sure but what I find interesting in your babbling post is your admittance that miss curves doesn’t know you, nor had she ever met you. Yet on this board you’ve made multiple accusations about her personally. Yet you’ve never met? So who is guilty of false accusations, slander and malicious behavior? I also find it interesting that you also started a thread wanting to know if anyone read blogs and you stated that you never read sp blogs so it is thought provoking that you”re reading this miss curves blog but I wouldn’t flatter yourself, it is a public blog and readable by anyone and you”re not continually blogged about in it. As far as her twitter I’m not on twitter so I don’t know what’s there but if she’s posted screen shots of a thread so what. How does anyone know if what’s posted in that thread is true or not. Your word is no better than the naturals as far as I’m concerned and i”m sure as far as some other people are concerned.yet you seem to think people should only listen and believe what you say. From all you post about some people, the accusations you’ve made and the put downs and insults you’ve made I’d say it’s high time someone made some about you. Concerning these escort only forums you say she’s tried to post about you on, I never knew they existed perhaps you could name them. I too know a lot of ladies and none of them know of any escort only forums nor any that a miss curves posts or try’s to post on. No from my take you’re incensed that this escort has dared stoop to your level and has spread repeated gossip. Seems tit for tat to me. What concerns me most though is why you’re following around an escort you continually claim to be retarded insignificant and without any clients. If your claims are true then why do you care so much about what she says if she’s as you say then she’d have no one listening to her would she. Or would she. Really bud what ya worried about you continually try and convince people that she is a retard and not worthy of being seen yet you”re posting here all upset at her actions. Doesn’t add up bud. Id say it’s you with the issue and you who is guilty of misbehaviour. But I know you won’t see it that way. Time to move on and stop spreading lies and your insecure summations.

 

[Demonhunter]

1. Thank you for your agreement and support. It is important for issues like this. The more we have speaking out against this, the less it will be tolerated.

2. I agree there are times when things are unclear. And I am not unreasonable either. You are right though, communication is huge. That was my point. The "No means No" movement was based on the premise of saying no once an attempt was made. As we can see, by then, sometimes the line has already been crossed. There are taboo sexual things that some people like that others do not. And I would argue that if you tested a person's BDSM limits by slapping them while fucking them without asking then first, it is an assault.

So this is why I think the movement needs to change to a more proactive one and make it the "ASK FOR A YES" instead of the "No means No" movement.




I agree. 100%. There is a scam component to the YMMV term. This is why I always encourage researching. I am not a YMMV type at all. If I can't do something, either because of you or because of me - I just end the session. It is just better for both that way.




There are a few ways that clients are assaulted or harassed in this industry. In the meaning of fairness, and since it was discussed on the other thread, I will address it here as well.

For example - I believe that any lady who works on her period without telling her client prior, is not obtaining informed consent. All consent is important. Just like it is for women, it is for men. And both equally deserve it. I will include lying about the pill too, but that generally doesn't get included in industry talk because it is assumed it is CFS.

I am 100% against false accusations. I have been vocal about that on many occasions as well. I have never really thought about it in the industry, however. I can see it now though. Falsing posting on BCLs and private only boards. That would be just like writing a false negative review. With the exception of financial loss, but that does not deter from the malice intent of the person posting the falsehood. It just changes the damages slightly.

In the case of CC, perpetrating that lie is equally as wrong, and if it was anyone other then you, who was posted about in that section, she would say that section has no creditability at all. She may not have started the lie, but she is just as couplable for trying to continue to spread it. And she is certainly accountable for any false entries that she tries to post on a private BCL.

There was a reason I waited until there were some real examples to prove the aspects of assault and harassment that I wanted to address. In each of them, there was an active thread where a poster/client was admitting to the actual act himself. It was not hypotheticals, or "private" discussions being brought up publically. This was stuff already publically posted. I wanted the discussion on the topic, not a bunch of "what ifs" and I wanted no dispute. Or as little as possible. Because it came straight from the horse's mouth. So there should not have been any dispute. These are important issues, and even when it is clear-cut as self-admission, there are some who still battle against it and often use false accusations in some way or another, in their argument. Usually by some trolls, and I didn't want to bother with that. It even annoyed me when posted by some.

I can see now, it is certainly an important part of the discussion. And maybe I should not have dismissed it so quickly.

As for what to do in your situation, that really all depends on you. You would certainly have some options available to you and you know that. You need to decide how much you are willing to ignore and chalk up to online like BS, like the thread in the Toxic Zone, or do you start to become active in ensuring accountability for wrongs being done against you? I think you know I am about speaking out against the wrongdoing but just as I respect the choice a woman makes about her victimization as a result of harassment being done to her, I would respect yours as well.

Lol my fat n feisty girl is still kissin 3ks ass lol. Please let everyone know here Jessica how you know it is a lie. You know every escort he’s banged you know him personally and all he does or you just believe it’s a lie because he says it is.Because I’m interested and should this cc also take action against all the lies 3k has perpetuated about her. Seems the two of you both like to surmise what goes on in cc”s mind . This obsession you both have with her is entertaining .

 

[demien3k5]

Thought provoking to be sure for sure but what I find interesting in your babbling post is your admittance that miss curves doesn’t know you, nor had she ever met you.

Fine. Have it your way.

You should read more closely Cristy. I said 'to your knowledge' we have not met. This is a true statement. But we have in fact met, and even sessioned together.

You see, when you have enough time, money, and the right motivation, anything is possible, and as a first step, I needed to physically locate you. That was easier than even I thought it would be. Everything else just flowed easily from there, and for a surprisingly small investment I must say.

And now here we are.

So you just keep following me around on this board, and posting on your blog, and on twitter, and lying on the BCLs, and watch what kind of interesting things begin show up online.

I don't intend to comment on this issue again. Guide yourself accordingly.

 

[Prick]

Demien, you are losing your touch. Demonhunter is Cristy you damn fool.

 

[demien3k5]

Demien, you are losing your touch.

Not likely, Prick. Serious as death this time round. Bet on it.

 

[Madman]

Prick put the bottle down and pay attention!

Fine. Have it your way.

You should read more closely Cristy.

I won't take sides but I do miss Cristy.:Crying/:

 

[papasmerf]

Prick put the bottle down and pay attention!



I won't take sides but I do miss Cristy.:Crying/:

Cristy who?

 

[Jessica Rain]

Can we please let this topic stay on topic?

I really don't want another thread derailed, giving attention to someone like her who seeks it so hard. It is like giving into to the 2-year-old having a tantrum.

 

[papasmerf]

Here is my thought..Forcible sex is RAPE.
Rape is a Crime.
Call the Police and let them handle it.

 

[Demonhunter]

Fine. Have it your way.

You should read more closely Cristy. I said 'to your knowledge' we have not met. This is a true statement. But we have in fact met, and even sessioned together.

You see, when you have enough time, money, and the right motivation, anything is possible, and as a first step, I needed to physically locate you. That was easier than even I thought it would be. Everything else just flowed easily from there, and for a surprisingly small investment I must say.

And now here we are.

So you just keep following me around on this board, and posting on your blog, and on twitter, and lying on the BCLs, and watch what kind of interesting things begin show up online.

I don't intend to comment on this issue again. Guide yourself accordingly.

:LMAO::LMAO: Sure 3k5 sure. You don’t even realize how foolish you sound. Now you’re making threats against poor sweet Cristy. I’d advise her to contact a lawyer and settle this in court cause when you have enough time, money and motivation hiring the right lawyer can easily and efficiently expose those who enjoy bullying, posting lies and threatening people all while they hide behind a pseudonym on an escort review board. Back to the discussion at hand. Boundary pushing and sexual harassment are the acts of pigs and shouldn’t be tolerated.

 

[Serious Clown]

:LMAO::LMAO: Sure 3k5 sure. You don’t even realize how foolish you sound. Now you’re making threats against poor sweet Cristy. I’d advise her to contact a lawyer and settle this in court cause when you have enough time, money and motivation hiring the right lawyer can easily and efficiently expose those who enjoy bullying, posting lies and threatening people all while they hide behind a pseudonym on an escort review board. Back to the discussion at hand. Boundary pushing and sexual harassment are the acts of pigs and shouldn’t be tolerated.

Don't hijack the thread Cristy.

 

[Demonhunter]

Don't hijack the thread Cristy.

Well you’re a serious clown:LMAO: as I said sexual harassment and boundary pushing are the acts of pigs and shouldn’t be tolerated.

 

[demien3k5]

:LMAO::LMAO: Sure 3k5 sure. You don’t even realize how foolish you sound. Now you’re making threats against poor sweet Cristy. I’d advise her to contact a lawyer and settle this in court cause when you have enough time, money and motivation hiring the right lawyer can easily and efficiently expose those who enjoy bullying, posting lies and threatening people all while they hide behind a pseudonym on an escort review board. Back to the discussion at hand. Boundary pushing and sexual harassment are the acts of pigs and shouldn’t be tolerated.

 

[Demonhunter]

Fine. Have it your way.



I don't intend to comment on this issue again. Guide yourself accordingly.

Well apparently it wasn’t your final answer:LMAO: Keeping with the topic, any type of harassment should be reported and reported to the proper authorities.

 

[Beef Jerky]

Another fool with a broken heart.

 

[Leo]