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So I started this thread on the one red board and posted it in another thread on the other other red board. I figure it is only fitting I bring it here.
Now, I will add that when I wrote this, it was first thing in the morning, on 1 cup of coffee, and so there are parts that may be a little crude. During further discussion, I was able to see how some wording should have changed, one example may not have been the best, etc. But this really is for discussion, not nit-pickiness and where I have erred I can admit. In fairness, however, I will post it in its original form.
I am going to add that I am not in anyway trying to shame men as a whole, say that only women are assaulted, I am not trying to be an entitled bitch or get in on the #metoo movement. These are some things I have been accused of already and I would really just like to move past that.
Also, when speaking of the negative reviews, I am only speaking of FALSE negative reviews. Not legit ones.
So please, let's open this up for a discussion. I welcome polite and respectful difference of opinion. Please, no verbal castrations though. I have been battling in a few threads on a few boards and it is has been kind of exhausting. Probably why I saved this board for last. You guys have a much different way about discussions here and they are certainly easier to have. Not has combative which I like.
So opinions guys and gals??? Would love to hear them.
Now, I will add that when I wrote this, it was first thing in the morning, on 1 cup of coffee, and so there are parts that may be a little crude. During further discussion, I was able to see how some wording should have changed, one example may not have been the best, etc. But this really is for discussion, not nit-pickiness and where I have erred I can admit. In fairness, however, I will post it in its original form.
We have seen all these threads, news reports, interviews, etc from women describing the sexual harassment they put up in the workforce. Well let me say, folks, this industry is not immune to that bullshit either. You may think because escorts sell sex that we would not be able to be assaulted or certainly not sexually harassed but that is simply not the case.
Let me break down things a little.
Steathing - I don't even understand why this needs to be a discussion but apparently it does and not just for this hobby. I have experienced this outside of the hobby and it is a HUGE violation and to some people, it is akin to rape. It is certainly a form of sexual assault. When a woman decides she will have sex with you but only with a condom on, and you take that condom off, unknown to her - YOU ARE SEXUALLY ASSAULTING HER. Just sayin'. Can't really say anymore. It is wrong. It is a form of power and control, it is a form of sexual assault. End stop.
Negative consequence reviewing/threatening - We all know this happens, but we don't know just how much or how some comments may not seem like a threat to a negative review, but in fact are. When you say in a coy, teasing manner that if XXX is not done that won't bring about a good review, that is still a threat. A threat of a negative consequence if a sexual act is not performed. That is sexual harassment.
Some may know that a review in the TO agency section just had the title renamed. It was a negative review but from the OP's own words, he purposely titled the thread naming 3 escorts who were NOT involved so that the thread could garner more attention. Negatively impacting the searches of those women who by the OPs own words were so good he repeated several times. This is wrong and thankfully the OP did contact a mod for the change. But guys, come on - it should not need to be explained as to why this is wrong.
For the indies like me who screen and decline clients on a regular basis, it is NOT right to reply that you will negatively review us. That we are whores, losers, fucking cunts who should die. To continue to harass us. Do I really need to explain this one? Is it because you/they feel you/they can't be held accountable since you/they just discontinue communication? Is that why you/they feel that you/they can get away with it? Because I can tell you that there are these men on this board right now, reading this thread. I will bet money on it.
For those who have taken things a little past the normal SP/Client relationship, threaten to review negatively when she breaks things off is wrong too. Yes - even though you had a relationship, it is wrong. Why? Because it is wrong to try an get revenge after any relationship, but here, trying to destroy her business is wrong and a form of sexual harassment. Even worse are the guys who only do it to threaten and have no intention of actually doing it. That is just downright abusive, but that is another topic.
Boundary pushing
I just read an Ottawa review from a guy who was given a clear list of services and restrictions by an SP. Digits on vag only and no greek. So question for the class, does that mean to you that her ass is off limits? Is that what you understand to be the case with her after knowing that? So that would mean then, that trying to stick your fingers in her ass would mean that you are certainly not listening to her saying NO ASS PLAY. Let me make this very clear, that right there folks is a form of sexual assault. YES, yes it is. Why? Because you already knew the answer was NO. You should not have tried. Period. End Stop.
This is not a case of "guys can't do anything with a woman without being labelled a predator if she doesn't like something". That is not this at all. Yes, the way of making a pass at a lady has changed. 100% it has. It is no longer acceptable to physically make a sexual pass without getting consent PRIOR. You need to be asking for a yes instead of waiting for a no. That is the new rules. But in the case above, he already got the no and went for it anyways. That is 100% wrong.
Here is another example to show why getting a yes first instead of waiting for a no is the new rule and should be followed. In a thread on another board about FaceFucking and MPA's, some men were under the impression that the best way to obtain that knowledge was to just try and stick your tongue in her pussy during the body slide. Ummm no. Sorry but just no. NOT at all the right way to do it. The right way is to say " hey, that is a mighty fine pussy, you might if I take a lick?" Why, because she is an MPA, and while many of them offer lots of extras, they are not known as FS providers. You need to ask what they are. Not just sample and see if she says no.
I personally think with DATY, some men think they are doing the girl a favour so it should be ok, but that is just not the case. We already had a thread here about SP's and their personal desire to cum in a session. There were quite a few who said no. That would not be any different for an MPA, and honestly, why does any of that need explaining. No individual has the right to decide the sexual pleasure of another. And this is paid service so you are not, nor ever "doing her a favour". A favour would be sucking off the next guy in line so she can go get a latte.
Please let me make this clear one more time. Since this industry revolves around sex, pretty much anything you do that goes against what is considered proper behaviour, is not just a simple "oops', say sorry and move on from the "mistake". No. It is sexual assault, sexual harassment, sexual misconduct. Those are serious terms, serious words, serious actions, seriously negative behaviour. I could go on and on with examples, but there really are just too many to post. I am sure other ladies can fill in some examples of harassment, and sexual assault that they have experienced. Sexual Assault is not just the act of rape. It is so much more than that, and people need to wake up to that fact.
I can promise you if more women were treated properly in this industry, you would have way less jaded, angry and mechanical escorts. It wouldn't take them all out, but most escorts don't start out that way. They are just pushed to the limits and beyond and after time, you can only put up with so much before you start dishing it back out. That is not right for anyone. Escort or client.
So please don't be that guy. Just don't. Ask. That is all you have to do. Ask and then follow. It is not hard. I promise you it is not hard. Let's make 2018 a better year for women in the workplace and that includes this industry.
I am going to add that I am not in anyway trying to shame men as a whole, say that only women are assaulted, I am not trying to be an entitled bitch or get in on the #metoo movement. These are some things I have been accused of already and I would really just like to move past that.
Also, when speaking of the negative reviews, I am only speaking of FALSE negative reviews. Not legit ones.
So please, let's open this up for a discussion. I welcome polite and respectful difference of opinion. Please, no verbal castrations though. I have been battling in a few threads on a few boards and it is has been kind of exhausting. Probably why I saved this board for last. You guys have a much different way about discussions here and they are certainly easier to have. Not has combative which I like.
So opinions guys and gals??? Would love to hear them.