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Do you think the Stepfather went a bit too far?.

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A 30-year-old man wanted for the shooting deaths of two teenagers in an ambush in Philadelphia was arrested at a Bucks County motel Wednesday night, a federal agent said. Axel Barreto, who also allegedly wounded two other teens in the same attack in the city's Juniata Park section, was arrested at the Knights Inn in Bensalem around 9 p.m., said Chief Deputy U.S. Marshal John Patrignani.

Barreto, who was with a woman, was not armed and did not resist arrest by Philadelphia police officers and members of the U.S. Marshals Fugitive Task Force, Patrignani said.


On Tuesday night, seven teenage boys were packed into the Toyota Corolla, sitting on top of each other, when the car pulled over on the 1500 block of East Luzerne Street. It was about 10:30, and the boys were looking for a fight, police said.
It started in school with an argument between some of the friends in the car and a group of three teenage brothers, spilled onto Facebook with threats, and culminated with plans to settle the matter with a physical battle.

As the boys waited, a man in a gray hoodie came out of a house and approached them. Spooked, the kids drove around to the back of the house, but moments later, police said the same man emerged from the back door, and ran up to the passenger side.
He then fired 10 to 12 shots into the car at point-blank range.

Joshua Soto, 14, of North Philadelphia, and Javier Orlandi, 16, of Kensington, were shot and pronounced dead within a half-hour. Another 14-year-old remained on life support Wednesday night. The 16-year-old driver of the car was hit in the neck and was listed in stable condition at St. Christopher's Hospital for Children.

Police on Wednesday identified the shooter as Barreto, the 30-year-old stepfather of the three brothers.
"There very easily could have been seven dead teenagers in that car. He just randomly fired," said Homicide Capt. James Clark.
A search of the car has turned up no weapons, Clark said.

Police do not know what sparked the initial argument, which Clark said started in school between two different groups of teenagers from different neighborhoods.

Asked whether police are concerned that friends of the victims might commit retaliatory acts of violence, Clark said police will apprise the teenagers' schools of the situation and brief police officers in their neighborhoods.

 
Jesus Christ they were kids. Two 14 year olds and a 16.

Way to fucking wrong.
 
BEER said:
I can't wait to hear Tboy's answer :search:

You didn't have to wait too long lol.....

Yeah he went too far, but his mistake was not waiting for them to make the first move. If seven kids decided to gang up on my 3 sons? and I had a gun handy? Yeah I'd use it...but would fire a couple of warning shots first......

One item not mentioned though: did any of the seven threaten to kill any of the three? That will be a major defence point......
 
Maurice...your turn.... (Before we dealt with the 911 call from a mother asking if it was ok to shoot the burgular and I admitted that she made the right call and fortunately she had a gun nearby. Now this..... )
 
He went way too far and could've easily fired the weapon in the air. I'm sure the kids would have bolted as they did when he first came out. I hope they throw the book at him.
 
Robintheboywonder said:
He went way too far and could've easily fired the weapon in the air. I'm sure the kids would have bolted as they did when he first came out. I hope they throw the book at him.

Since we don't know the neighbourhood where the dad lived, or the exact scenario, I don't know how you can be so sure. For all the dad knew the kids could be armed to the teeth with ak's and were waiting to ambush the sons or get ready for a drive by....Like I said: if anywhere at any time was there threats like "we're going to kill you", "we're going to make you pay for what you did" if any threats were made to that effect, IMO dad did the right thing.

I bet dollars to donuts that the defence will claim he was just protecting his family.....

The thing about firing warning shots though, if the kids in the car WERE armed, they would have opened fire on him......One thing you have to consider: the kids certainly weren't there to have a debate on the morals of abortion. They were there specifically to do bodily harm to his sons......
 
tboy said:
Since we don't know the neighbourhood where the dad lived, or the exact scenario, I don't know how you can be so sure. For all the dad knew the kids could be armed to the teeth with ak's and were waiting to ambush the sons or get ready for a drive by....Like I said: if anywhere at any time was there threats like "we're going to kill you", "we're going to make you pay for what you did" if any threats were made to that effect, IMO dad did the right thing.

I bet dollars to donuts that the defence will claim he was just protecting his family.....

The thing about firing warning shots though, if the kids in the car WERE armed, they would have opened fire on him......One thing you have to consider: the kids certainly weren't there to have a debate on the morals of abortion. They were there specifically to do bodily harm to his sons......

Innocent Criminal of SX said:

On Tuesday night, seven teenage boys were packed into the Toyota Corolla, sitting on top of each other, when the car pulled over on the 1500 block of East Luzerne Street. It was about 10:30, and the boys were looking for a fight, police said.
It started in school with an argument between some of the friends in the car and a group of three teenage brothers, spilled onto Facebook with threats, and culminated with plans to settle the matter with a physical battle.

As the boys waited, a man in a gray hoodie came out of a house and approached them. Spooked, the kids drove around to the back of the house, but moments later, police said the same man emerged from the back door, and ran up to the passenger side.
He then fired 10 to 12 shots into the car at point-blank range.

If they were armed to the teeth they would not have been spooked and driven around to the back. They would have had their guns loaded and ready. Granted they should have bolted if they had enough sense instead of driving to the back but at their age common sense was obviously not in abundance.

Shooting the gun in the air would have been the prudent reaction and he wouldn't be in jail now. Also if that were one of my kids I'd be hunting the shooter down unless it were proven my kid had a fire arm.
 
Actually, if the police were called after her fired the shots in the air he would be arrested for careless use of a firearm. There was a CSI story about someone who did that and ended up killing a man on his front lawn (when the bullet hit terminal velocity going up, it came back down......).

As for your "common sense" comment, whether they lacked it or not, is irrelevant to the story. There are too many unknowns to make an accurate assessment.....
 
Ghostbuster said:
How about showing us a Canadian map. Surely it would not come close to that.

of course it wouldn't, considering some major US cities get as many murders in a day as we get in a year......
 
Ghostbuster said:
How about showing us a Canadian map. Surely it would not come close to that.

Unless of course we're talking about Jane and Finch!:rofl!: I'm just killing myself tonight, I really need to go get some sleep.
 
I went to a year of middle school in Bensalem, PA. Was bullied sooo much with every day being one terror after another. It only stopped when I grew a backbone and fought back. It's easy for us to know what the right thing to do is but when you're in the midst of all that fear, it's not always so clear. Yeah ofcourse I think he went too far, but we don't know the whole story. Even "kids" can be pretty fkin scary and dangerous.
 
Well if your stupid enough to go to somebodies elses house with the intention of causing them personal harm.

Then don't be to surprised when the situation escalates beyond your control.

Predicting human behaviour is far from precise as these unfortunate individuals found out the hard way.

Also warning shots are a nice idea but generally speaking I would never pull a gun unless I was going to use it.

These peoples lives are changed forever because of what a highschool dispute. What a waste.
 
What he said ^^^^^ +100

As I said, that car load of punks sure wasn't there to make cookies or discuss the finer points of macrame.....
 
If during the computer chat threats were made claiming they were going to shoot his kids, ect... he may get off.

He did go ovecommunity but unless we know the entire story and what he believed it's hard to judge. He may not even have known their ages. He might have believed they were 19 and 20 something. Yes, I'm assuming but so are others assuming he did the wrong thing.

As MB stated, in a tense high stress situation we do not know what another human will do, we don't even know how we will react in some situations.
 
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