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Even The Son of Sam thinks the US has a gun problem

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NEW YORK — David Berkowitz, who killed six people during a yearlong spree in New York in the 1970s, says “society has to take the glory out of guns.”

The “Son of Sam” killer lamented the latest mass shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin. He spoke to the Daily News from the maximum security prison where he’s serving 25 years to life.

Berkowitz said “young people are losing direction and don’t value life.”

He said gun control was for legislators to work out.

Gun control remains a sensitive issue in the United States, where the National Rifle Association is influential with many members of Congress.
 
It all comes down to whether society believes that the rights of the individual supersede the rights of the collective.

The right to bear arms is a defensive premise - to protect oneself, loved ones and poperty. So as long as gangbangers, crooks and crazies have access to guns (legal or otherwise), it will be a very tough sell.
 
I agree we should have the right to defend ourselves and our loved ones. Guns within city limits should be banned entirely along with stiff punishment for anyone caught carrying a gun. I couldn't care less if it ruffles the feathers of target shooters. If it's that important to them move to the country.
 
I agree we should have the right to defend ourselves and our loved ones. Guns within city limits should be banned entirely along with stiff punishment for anyone caught carrying a gun. I couldn't care less if it ruffles the feathers of target shooters. If it's that important to them move to the country.

But to what end? And why only beyond City limits (particularly if property and personal crimes occur with greater frequency in cities)?

btw, I was recently surprised to learned that the gun clubs I've been considering joining will not allow members to store guns on site. We have to transport them to/from our homes each time we want to use them. So much for keeping guns out the city.....
 
It all comes down to whether society believes that the rights of the individual supersede the rights of the collective.

The right to bear arms is a defensive premise - to protect oneself, loved ones and poperty. So as long as gangbangers, crooks and crazies have access to guns (legal or otherwise), it will be a very tough sell.

So why is it so hard to accept gun registration? Sure own your guns, but get it registered, and accept mandatory renewable licensing and testing for the privilege of owning one of these things.
 
Berkowitz said “young people are losing direction and don’t value life.”

Old news. It has been happening for the last 15 years or so.
 
I agree we should have the right to defend ourselves and our loved ones. Guns within city limits should be banned entirely along with stiff punishment for anyone caught carrying a gun. I couldn't care less if it ruffles the feathers of target shooters. If it's that important to them move to the country.


I will tell you what

I will agree with your idea if you ban knives, clubs and make this ban unilateral.
 
So why is it so hard to accept gun registration? Sure own your guns, but get it registered, and accept mandatory renewable licensing and testing for the privilege of owning one of these things.

I didn't think that it was. Gun ownership and acquisition is regulated in Canada and most of the US.
 
What did Chuck Heston say? "Only out of my cold dead hand."

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As with most gun control folks...

Berkowitz said “young people are losing direction and don’t value life.”

How is gun control going to affect young people and their values and directions.


I'll apply my political stance to the argument:

It all comes down to personal responsibility. The person who uses the gun to commit a crime is to be blamed. Not the gun. I don't believe the government should limit things like this. Just punish the people who use the guns to hurt others. Let's say the guy in Colorado couldn't get guns...what would have stopped him from filling up a cargo van with gasoline and other flammables and driving into a crowd before setting it on fire? There are lots of ways to hurt others, let's not miss the point and go after the tool instead of the tool user.

Just my two cents.

The thing is, to make it much more difficult for people to cause the sort of damage the shooters did.....filling a van with gasoline wouldn't do the damage that the automatic weapons did. Like McVeigh did in oklahoma, with fertilizer, the authorities learned to put limits on how much of a certain substance one can legally buy. For eg: if you don't have a farm, what do you need with 500 lbs of fertlizer? You don't need it so you can't buy it. Same as compounds used in making c4...you can buy most of them, but the key ingredient you just can't get or make.

The big issue with gun control in the US is the NRA's motto that ANY control is too much. For example: a state tried to impose a mandatory 7 day waiting period before being able to take your gun home...they went ballistic over that...how dare anyone say you have to WAIT for your gun....fucking lunatics. The 7 day waiting period was so that a complete and thorough background check could be completed via state and federal sources. If this had been in place in colorado, I remember reading they would have discovered he was seeing a shrink because he'd put in medical reimbursement forms to pay for his treatment.....that would have prevented him from obtaining the weapons thereby stopping him from shooting up the theatre.

Ok, maybe not prevented it entirely, but surely made it much harder for him to get the kind of weapons he was easily able to.

The one factor that is undeniable: the country with the easiest access to weapons has the most deaths due to those weapons. It is so simple a child can understand it. There is no arguing it, no debating it, no discussion or avoiding it. YOu want to have free and easy access to assault weapons? You're going to have mass killings...end of story.

A good example is: people are people. YOU make it easy to put guns into the hands of those who would use them, they'll use them. Just like if you put 5 lbs of crack in front of a crack addict, they'll end up smoking it all.........

The motto "if you make it criminal to own a gun, then only criminals will have guns" is true. Then you enact laws that state if you are in possession of a gun, you go to jail forever....problem solved.
 
Very well said again Tboy and I'm in total agreement. Papasmerf, one stands a chance defending themselves against a knife or a club. A mad man can't go into a theatre harm and kill 70 people within 30 seconds using a knife and a club like he can do with an assault rifle. Why is it necessary for anyone to be owning/transporting firearms within city limits unless they are Police? Is the right of someone having the enjoyment of shooting a paper with red circles around it out weigh public safety?
 
The big issue with gun control in the US is the NRA's motto that ANY control is too much. For example: a state tried to impose a mandatory 7 day waiting period before being able to take your gun home...they went ballistic over that...how dare anyone say you have to WAIT for your gun....fucking lunatics. The 7 day waiting period was so that a complete and thorough background check could be completed via state and federal sources. If this had been in place in colorado, I remember reading they would have discovered he was seeing a shrink because he'd put in medical reimbursement forms to pay for his treatment.....that would have prevented him from obtaining the weapons thereby stopping him from shooting up the theatre.


I totally agree the NRA has far too much influence. They view any sort of gun-control as an attempt to circumvent the 2nd Amendment, apparently forgetting the amendment contains the words "well-regulated".

I think automatic weapons should be banned for private ownership. There is no legitimate reason for a private citizen to own one, as there are for other types of firearms.

I don't see why David Berkowitz's opinion on anything is important.
 
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