Father arrested, result of daughter's drawing

[Buttugly]

A Toronto father, whose daughter's drawing of a gun in school, led to his arrest by police . After a thorough search by police of is home, a gun was found,......a toy gun!, father was then released.


Did the police over react?

 

[Guido]

They absolutely over reacted!

 

[Curly]

Link, uglymutt.

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

Link, uglymutt.

+1..

 

[Jesus Quintana]

And to think that I once brought a shotgun to school and never heard anything about it....

 

[a 1 player]

Fucking nanny state.

 

[Bubba]

Link, uglymutt.

None because this was breaking news. If I remember correctly listening to 680 AM. The cops handcuffed him, took his 4 young children away to a child center and did not give him the benefit of the doubt. Fluck if it was me I would be livid


Imagine moving my children away from home. They are scared and don't know what the fluck is going on. Your immediate family scared shitless. On and on....

Do I smell a lawsuit?.

 

[papasmerf]

my problem begins with the school not the police

The police need to follow up on reports but the school has no right to determine any gun is illegal.

 

[-b]

There must have been issues with the dad at the school.
Or the daughter may have said something to the teacher.
Even if the school reacted it probably is because
of what happened to the 3 young women and step mom
dying at Kingston in their car by the father and brother.

 

[peace]

my problem begins with the school not the police

The police need to follow up on reports but the school has no right to determine any gun is illegal.

I think according to the law, the school is required to report any incidents that may be harmful to a student regardless if its true or false. Then it is up to other organizations to investigate the situation.

 

[Art Mann]

Gun leading to dad’s arrest was a toy

Gun leading to dad’s arrest was a toy



KITCHENER — A plastic toy gun is to blame for the mayhem that saw a man arrested at his daughter’s school this week.

It was found in the home of the Kitchener father of four after he was arrested over a drawing his daughter drew at the school on Wednesday. Jessie Sansone was strip-searched but not charged.

Sansone’s four-year-old daughter Neaveh had drawn a picture of a man holding a gun and said it was her daddy, triggering fears that the family home contained a weapon that was a threat to the children.

The school board, police and child welfare officials all say proper procedure was followed in the case.
“We did what we were supposed to do,” said Gregg Bereznick, the Waterloo Region District School Board’s superintendent of education

 

[tboy]

"triggering fears that the family home contained a weapon that was a threat to the children."

holy overreaction batman...these people ought to be flogged. A fricken CAR can be a threat to children, a boiling pot of WATER can be a threat to children....hell even a DOG can be a threat to children......

Now if she drew a picture of daddy pointing it at her little brother or something, then yeah, I'd make some calls, to the parents!!!

I could even stretch the imagination to say the police should have spoken to the father before arresting him. I mean, the whole thing could have been cleared up in 2.2 seconds: do you have a handgun sir? No, only an airsoft. Do you mind if we search your house? Not without a warrant but I do not have a firearm in the house.

End of story.

This SO reminds me of those christian dogooders who see no problem taking a kid away from their parents, putting them in foster care (where they turn to street drugs to cope with the separation anxiety) and then the christians pat themselves on the back for "doing the right thing".

 

[train]

Could the police not have asked the father first about the drawing and direct them to where it was before handcuffing him and moving the kids? What about the judge that signed the search warrant? So many people so few brains.

 

[tboy]

Could the police not have asked the father first about the drawing and direct them to where it was before handcuffing him and moving the kids? What about the judge that signed the search warrant? So many people so few brains.

was there even a search warrant issued? I don't recall reading that.......

 

[Alexandra]

I think it could have been handled differently. Maybe a CAS investigation? Or as someone mentioned earlier maybe there was a history of problems from the family. What is sad is there are children that do actually need help and protection and are slipping through the cracks

 

[Art Mann]

Another viewpoint

Another viewpoint

If we err, let’s err on the side of our kids’ safety

It’s easy to be a critic. It’s much harder to be the person under pressure, making the snap decision that later gets picked apart by everyone else. And it’s harder still when that snap decision involves the safety of a child.


So I can’t help but sympathize with the teacher, child welfare workers and police, who caused the arrest of a Kitchener dad this week.
Jessie Sansone went to Forest Hill Public School to pick up his three children and found that police were waiting for him. They arrested him and said he would be charged with possession of a firearm. They handcuffed him, put him in the back of a cruiser and took him to the police station where he was strip-searched. Meanwhile, his wife was told to go to the station and three of their children were taken to Family and Children’s Services to be interviewed.


The detective told Sansone that this had all been set in motion when his four-year-old daughter drew a picture of a man holding a gun. A teacher asked who the man was and the girl replied: “That’s my daddy’s. He uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters.”



Be sure to read the final paragraphs:

Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that the authorities did overreact and that the child’s innocent picture, her fantasy about her dad shooting bad guys, got taken way out of proportion.


Mistakes will happen wherever there are human beings. Is it so bad that when we err, it’s on the side of the safety of kids? I know I’d rather have that than the alternative.


I keep thinking of the mistakes police and child welfare workers have made in the past across Canada. In British Columbia, police didn’t take seriously enough the disappearance of sex trade workers and the clues that kept pointing to Robert Pickton, later discovered to be a mass murderer.


And in Montreal, a young girl named Geeti Shafia kept asking teachers to help her get into foster care because she was afraid of her father. A police detective went to the house, saw that the Shafia girls lived in luxury and had lots of jewelry, and concluded that they must be OK. Six weeks later, Geeti and two of her sisters were dead, drowned by their parents in a hideous “honour killing.”


If only someone had “overreacted” back then, those girls might still be alive.


And that’s why I can live with what happened this week to Jessie Sansone.

 

[papasmerf]

If we err, let’s err on the side of our kids’ safety

It’s easy to be a critic. It’s much harder to be the person under pressure, making the snap decision that later gets picked apart by everyone else. And it’s harder still when that snap decision involves the safety of a child.


So I can’t help but sympathize with the teacher, child welfare workers and police, who caused the arrest of a Kitchener dad this week.
Jessie Sansone went to Forest Hill Public School to pick up his three children and found that police were waiting for him. They arrested him and said he would be charged with possession of a firearm. They handcuffed him, put him in the back of a cruiser and took him to the police station where he was strip-searched. Meanwhile, his wife was told to go to the station and three of their children were taken to Family and Children’s Services to be interviewed.


The detective told Sansone that this had all been set in motion when his four-year-old daughter drew a picture of a man holding a gun. A teacher asked who the man was and the girl replied: “That’s my daddy’s. He uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters.”



Be sure to read the final paragraphs:

Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that the authorities did overreact and that the child’s innocent picture, her fantasy about her dad shooting bad guys, got taken way out of proportion.


Mistakes will happen wherever there are human beings. Is it so bad that when we err, it’s on the side of the safety of kids? I know I’d rather have that than the alternative.


I keep thinking of the mistakes police and child welfare workers have made in the past across Canada. In British Columbia, police didn’t take seriously enough the disappearance of sex trade workers and the clues that kept pointing to Robert Pickton, later discovered to be a mass murderer.


And in Montreal, a young girl named Geeti Shafia kept asking teachers to help her get into foster care because she was afraid of her father. A police detective went to the house, saw that the Shafia girls lived in luxury and had lots of jewelry, and concluded that they must be OK. Six weeks later, Geeti and two of her sisters were dead, drowned by their parents in a hideous “honour killing.”


If only someone had “overreacted” back then, those girls might still be alive.


And that’s why I can live with what happened this week to Jessie Sansone.

Not to mention that kids are killed in cars

By your thoughts parents should be barred from driving with their kids in the car.

After all we need to err on the side of caution.

Oh yea some teachers are pedophiles so we need to remove all teachers from the schools to protect the kids.

 

[Transient]

I believe there needs to be a middle ground.
The situation should have been investigated more fully without immediate arrest or the unnecessary removal of the children from the home.
Absolutely, every measure to protect a child's safety needs to be in place and monitored if warning flags are raised. Teachers, school admins, police, health care workers, are in a tough spot in determining when is the right time to make the call. As you said Art, sometimes it is better to over react than to not act at all. It just seems more could have been done to gather information prior to the over reaction here.

 

[tboy]

If we err, let’s err on the side of our kids’ safety

It’s easy to be a critic. It’s much harder to be the person under pressure, making the snap decision that later gets picked apart by everyone else. And it’s harder still when that snap decision involves the safety of a child.

Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that the authorities did overreact and that the child’s innocent picture, her fantasy about her dad shooting bad guys, got taken way out of proportion.


Mistakes will happen wherever there are human beings. Is it so bad that when we err, it’s on the side of the safety of kids? I know I’d rather have that than the alternative.

1) what pressure? It wasn't like it was an immediate danger like a car out of control careening down a street towards a picnic table where 5 yr olds were colouring. There was no "snap" decision.....I'm not sure what time the drawing was discovered but there was plenty of time to call the father and simply ask: do you have a handgun?

2) Let's SAY they overreacted? Holy crap dude, they DID overreact. It isn't illegal to own a handgun in Canada. For all they knew (since they didn't) he could have been a legal, rightful owner of a handgun and the daughter saw him with it. In that case, they would have arrested someone for doing something perfectly legal. BTW: they did. They arrested someone for doing something totally legal: owning an airsoft pellet pistol. You don't even need an FAC to buy one.

3) Err on the side of caution? Holy crap batman do you really want to go there? As Psmerf says: then lets not allow kids to ride in cars with their parents. Kids should NOT play sports. Kids should NOT swim. Kids should NOT be allowed near scissors. Kids should NOT be allowed on concrete. Kids should NOT be allowed in a kitchen. Jesus, the list could be endless.

Take that one step further: Immediately arrest any black man who walks into a bank. We all know that black people rob banks, so let's err on the side of caution. Furthermore, let's revoke all driver's licences for white males over drinking age since we all know that white males drink and drive....We'd better err on the side of caution........

Jesus dude, and they say I lean too much towards a police state? You're suggesting that it is ok to arrest law abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong simply to err on the side of caution......

 

[Wanker]

Strip searches get police in trouble

https://www.torontosun.com/2012/02/27/strip-searches-get-police-in-trouble