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Father arrested, result of daughter's drawing

tboy said:
was there even a search warrant issued? I don't recall reading that.......

There would have to be one to search the house would there not?

The more the police continue to screw up like this with a lack of common sense the more difficult their job will become.

This wouldn't be this big a story if it wasn't so obviously crazy. How do the cops get away with ignoring the Supreme Court ruling on strip searches?
 
train said:
There would have to be one to search the house would there not?

The more the police continue to screw up like this with a lack of common sense the more difficult their job will become.

This wouldn't be this big a story if it wasn't so obviously crazy. How do the cops get away with ignoring the Supreme Court ruling on strip searches?

I don't think they would need a search warrant if there was "imminent" danger.....

I think (in this case) what happened was some "do gooder" at the school called the police and said something like "a child here drew a picture and told us her father has a gun and shoots bad guys.....you have to arrest this whacko NOW NOW OMFG NOOWWWWWW"...so they did......
 
Police chief wants review of arrest sparked by gun picture

Police chief wants review of arrest sparked by gun picture



Waterloo Region’s police chief has called for a “thorough review’’ of police actions related to the arrest and detention of a father whose daughter drew a picture of a gun in school.

“It appears at first blush a mistake was made, but you have to drill down into the details,’’ Police Chief Matt Torigian said Monday. “We have absolutely nothing to hide on this.

“If there were other things we could have done that could have prevented this, we’re certainly open to that.’’

Torigian was referring to last week’s incident involving Jessie Sansone, a 26-year-old Kitchener man who was arrested outside his children’s school, taken to the police station and strip-searched because his four-year-old daughter drew a picture in school of a man holding a gun.
 
That's awesome that he's ordering a review. I certainly hope that they find the police acted in accordance with the regulations in regards to the reports they received and find that the fault lies with those at the school who over reacted. I also hope (although I really doubt it) those that DID over react will be punished accordingly.
 
Premier defends school after dad arrested following daughter’s gun drawing
TORONTO — Waterloo Region school officials who called authorities after a four-year-old girl drew a picture of her dad holding a gun shouldn’t be condemned for their actions, Premier Dalton McGuinty said Wednesday.

The girl’s father, Jessie Sansone, was handcuffed, strip-searched and only later told he was being charged with illegal possession of a firearm. His pregnant wife — at home with their 15-month-old daughter — had to go to the police station while their other three children were interviewed by Family and Children’s Services.

Police searched their Kitchener home, but the closest thing they found to a firearm was a toy gun. No charges were laid.
While parents are ultimately responsible for the development of their children, schools and teachers also have an obligation to their students, McGuinty said.

“While it may be difficult for this individual — and I can understand that — it’s an opportunity to . . . engage ourselves in a very important conversation about where do we draw the line in those kinds of things,” he said.

“I don’t think there’s any doubt about the sincerity of the school and the teachers involved that there was a genuine concern.

“I think the question we’ve got to ask ourselves is, was that the best way to give expression to that concern?”

McGuinty said a review is currently underway, which is “sensible.”

“It’s never easy, I think, to strike the right balance.”
 
1. How could there be imminent danger if the father had already been arrested ? If they didn't have a search warrant even more reason to throw the book at the cops. This assumes of course that even the Waterloo police aren't stupid enough to have searched the house first, found the toy gun and still arrested and strip searched him;
2. If the review is being conducted internally it will be less than useless;
3. I'm not sure who the bigger idiots are, I think my vote is the cops since they should have a little more experience.
4. Do you think Premier Dad is going to bad mouth a school? Hell he can't even make up his mind in which grade they should be teaching sex education .
5. Any bets that this will all be swept under the carpet?
 
Yeah, they should have a conversation about how schools shouldn't jump to fucking conclusions and traumatize a family over what turned out to be nothing and due to the restrictions of handguns, was almost assured to be nothing.

I mean REALLY...fuck......

How stupid ARE these people? So if a kid comes to school with a drawing of a monster under his bed they're going to form a posse and raid the house? Fucking idiots.....
 
How stupid ARE these people? So if a kid comes to school with a drawing of a monster under his bed they're going to form a posse and raid the house? Fucking idiots.....

I get to lead the pack with the pitchfork!
 
Toy gun controversy may deter others from reporting a child at risk, agency fears

Toy gun controversy may deter others from reporting a child at risk, agency fears

WATERLOO REGION — Alison Scott says the child-welfare agency she directs did a good job investigating a family after a four-year-old girl sketched a gun at school.

But Scott is displeased with what she sees as sensational and inaccurate news reporting as well as online commentary, which she fears could make it harder to protect children.

A firestorm of controversy erupted after Kitchener father Jessie Sansone was arrested on Feb. 22 and strip-searched by police who found only a toy gun at home. Child-welfare officials questioned three children at their agency. No charges were laid.

Scott has cleared her agency of wrongdoing after conducting an internal review. Waterloo Regional Police are reviewing their investigation.

“We followed all of our policies and procedures,” said Scott, executive director of Family and Children’s Services of Waterloo Region.

Scott accused the media of inaccurate reporting. She said some reported the children were taken into her agency’s care.

“The children were never taken into care,” she said, explaining children were transported to the agency for interviews, with a parent’s consent and with a parent present.

Scott worries people may now be dissuaded from reporting a child at risk, for fear of being drawn into a similar firestorm. “That would be the true tragic outcome of this story.”
 
The fricken wingnut doesn't get it...her agency didn't investigate shit.....they arrested the fucking guy BEFORE investigating...that's the problem....

She shouldn't be in any position of power if she doesn't understand english...seriously....

Here's her linked in profile:
 
Police apologize for strip search of dad after daughter sketched gun

Police apologize for strip search of dad after daughter sketched gun

KITCHENER — Waterloo Regional Police shouldn’t have strip searched a Kitchener father who was arrested after his daughter drew a picture of a gun at school, Police Chief Matt Torigian said Monday.

The chief has apologized to Jesse Sansone who was arrested, handcuffed and put in a cruiser outside his four-year-old daughter’s school in February after she drew a picture in her junior kindergarten class of a man holding a gun.

After questioning her, a teacher became concerned there might be a firearm in the home. The girl said it was a picture of her father who used the gun “to shoot bad guys and monsters.”

The teacher went to the principal. School officials then called Family and Children’s Services who alerted police.

After talking with staff, officers felt they had grounds for an arrest.

While searching the family home, police ultimately found a plastic toy gun and released Sansone without any charge after he’d been strip-searched.

Humiliated and enraged, Sansone called The Record and his story went viral around the world.

It unleashed a firestorm of negative response from many who felt police had gone too far based on a four-year-old girl’s drawing and statement. Police announced they would review their actions. They released the results of that review Monday.

Police aren’t apologizing for arresting Sansone. But they admit they were wrong to strip-search the 26-year-old father of four on Feb. 22.

“The review . . . found that, due to a miscommunication in the processing of Mr. Sansone, he was subjected to a thorough search instead of a less intrusive frisk search — an oversight which we regret,” a police press released stated.
 
.....Scott has cleared her agency of wrongdoing after conducting an internal review.

That's very nice. I wonder how that meeting went. "OK people what we really need to do here is cover our asses very very well. Then we'll say we did and internal review and say we did nothing wrong OK? It's your and MY jobs on the line here!"
 
I blame the police. The school officials are only doing what they believe is right for the child. I do think they over reacted but at times it's better to cover your ass than be on the hook. The police on the other hand should know how to handle these situations better.

I don't get it, they little a murderous gang banger on house arrest without shackles who goes on to shoot up the Eaton's Centre but they go all out gang busters swat team style on a Dad because his daughter drew a picture of a gun, sheesh I'd hate to see if these people were not so called skilled and educated individuals.
 
that excuse "doing right by the child" is the first step in one's loss of their civil rights (which this is a prime example of). Now if the kid had a photograph of dad holding a real gun? then sure, go balls to the wall over it....but a cartoon pic of him shooting monsters? gimme a freakin break....schools let kids get bullied so bad they bring pepper spray to school and do nothing about the bullying yet this happens over a drawing? anyone involved ought to be ashamed.

btw, i totally agree about the state of our legal system in regards to that waste of skin who shot up the eaton center......
 
I wonder if you can charged with "Possession of "Grand Theft Auto III" ?
 
It's not illegal to own a gun in Canada. If he owned a gun and had it in his own home, let's say cleaning it and a picture was taken, that is not illegal is it?
 
More background, more insight

More background, more insight

Police make a responsible apology
By
Waterloo Region Record

Everybody makes mistakes. What matters is how you make amends. And Waterloo Regional Police have acted decently, first by conducting a prompt and extensive investigation, and then by apologizing to Jesse Sansone, the Kitchener dad wrongfully “strip-searched” while under arrest because police thought he had an illegal handgun.

Last February, Sansone came to school to pick up his four-year-old daughter. She had drawn a picture of him with a gun. Worried the children could be in danger, the principal called child protection workers, who called police. They arrested, handcuffed and searched Sansone. In the end, the suspected handgun turned out to be an Air Soft Pistol, which shoots small plastic pellets. Sansone was released without charges. His ordeal had lasted four and a half hours.

Once you know how the story ends, it’s easy to say police were too heavy-handed. But put yourself in their position, with what they knew at the time, and it looks very different. Consider this:

• The child said she had access to the gun. She gave a detailed description of what seemed to be a handgun. It was “wrapped, locked in the master bedroom drawer, and accessible via a key,” the police report said.

• A check on Sansone revealed he had a previous criminal record for violence, and was prohibited from possessing firearms and other weapons. Neither he nor his wife had the documentation to lawfully possess a firearm.

• Sansone’s wife said she had seen one child pointing the gun at the head of her four-year-old child.

No wonder, then, that police decided to put Sansone under arrest for unlawful possession of a firearm, and get everyone else out of the house until they found it.

Their report is one-sided, given that it’s the police investigating themselves, and Sansone declined to participate. Even so, it’s clear that officers were careful and courteous, given what they thought they were dealing with. They covered the glass windows in the principal’s office so Sansone would have privacy as he was being arrested. And only after all children and parents had left the school was Sansone walked to the police vehicle and handcuffed.

Police search suspects, in part, to remove concealed weapons. Sansone was subjected to what police call a “thorough search,” which means the clothes next to the body are removed, but intimate body cavities are not searched. Thorough searches are only supposed to be done if charges are being laid for sure. In hindsight, he should only have had a “frisk search,” which means officers touch only the outer layer of clothing.

Beyond the apology, the report recommends refresher training for police on different kinds of searches and when each is appropriate. Technology will be investigated, such as that now used in airports, to see if it can do the job less intrusively. That’s a decent response.

Remember, 100 kilometres down Highway 401, Toronto police acted shamefully during the G20 protests of July 2010. There, hundreds of innocent people were deprived of civil rights – some beaten, some woken from sleep by police bearing weapons, and some held for hours, deprived of water, blankets and toilet facilities before being released without charges. More than 100 police removed their identification tags. Police Chief Bill Blair has yet to apologize for all that. By contrast, I think our guys look pretty good.
 
well, it appears that some new facts have come to light that the media didn't report, like the fact that he had a record of violence and was banned from owning a firearm....you have to wonder if that was conveniently overlooked by the media for the sake of sensationalism or was it just an honest mistake?

This is a good example of why we shouldn't jump to conclusions without having all the facts (if this is indeed a fact).
 
well, it appears that some new facts have come to light that the media didn't report, like the fact that he had a record of violence and was banned from owning a firearm....you have to wonder if that was conveniently overlooked by the media for the sake of sensationalism or was it just an honest mistake?

This is a good example of why we shouldn't jump to conclusions without having all the facts (if this is indeed a fact).

I have to agree with you. If those are the real facts the police did their job.
 
Clearly the cops over-stepped the rights of the accused by subjecting him to a strip search rather than a mere frisk search, but they admit that, they have apologized and they say they are implementing measures to ensure this doesn't happen in the future.

As the newspaper columnist notes, "That's a decent response" . . . and one that's in sharp contrast to the G20 fiasco and aftermath.
 
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