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I hear you but the coallary to not believing in the real Docs is often to believe in the quacks. This happened to my sister it was only money so no big deal but it just frys me to see so many people willing to take advantage of the ill. I guess when one has no good options you start inventing them. She fell for that.

Your friends, do to their lifestyle, sound like evidence this memo is phony and that sometimes it's just bad genetic luck or something. My sympathies to the 24 year old, no one deserves that and also to the friend with pancreatic cancer, that one is a real tough one.

The best chance we have is better and earlier diagnosis.
 
Look guys, I've seen lots of people die from cancer. Occupational hazard. Is there a doctor around who wishes we could do more? Every damn one of us.

But, you also have to remember that many people live through this, at increasing rates every year, because we do the research and find better ways. Without chemo (and I have been through it) they (and I) would have died. Is that a better option?

Should a patient ignore a doctor's advice to do chemo because it might help them and try eating herbs, spices, and doing shamanistic rituals instead? Really? If it was you in the office being told that you have a severe diagnosis but the chances of chemo working are 50%, wouldn't you try it instead of trusting that eating grass that's been organically grown will "save you"? I'll take the science every day. And so do millions, and millions live because of it. Sure, you hear about the odd "miracle", for who-knows-what reason. Do you think we quacks sit around wishing the miracle didn't happen and defied our knowledge of what was possible. Hell, we celebrate each life, no matter how the change happens.

Until you've been through it and had to make the decisions, you have no idea what it's like. But think it through: you have a critical diagnosis. Chemo or surgery gives you XX percent chance. Or you can try unproven techniques that have who-knows-what chance. Which will YOU take?
 
oldguyzer said:
Look guys, I've seen lots of people die from cancer. Occupational hazard. Is there a doctor around who wishes we could do more? Every damn one of us.

But, you also have to remember that many people live through this, at increasing rates every year, because we do the research and find better ways. Without chemo (and I have been through it) they (and I) would have died. Is that a better option?

Should a patient ignore a doctor's advice to do chemo because it might help them and try eating herbs, spices, and doing shamanistic rituals instead? Really? If it was you in the office being told that you have a severe diagnosis but the chances of chemo working are 50%, wouldn't you try it instead of trusting that eating grass that's been organically grown will "save you"? I'll take the science every day. And so do millions, and millions live because of it. Sure, you hear about the odd "miracle", for who-knows-what reason. Do you think we quacks sit around wishing the miracle didn't happen and defied our knowledge of what was possible. Hell, we celebrate each life, no matter how the change happens.

Until you've been through it and had to make the decisions, you have no idea what it's like. But think it through: you have a critical diagnosis. Chemo or surgery gives you XX percent chance. Or you can try unproven techniques that have who-knows-what chance. Which will YOU take?
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The science, absolutely the science and even with that the odds aren't great I guess depending on the type of cancer.
 
oldguyzer said:
Look guys, I've seen lots of people die from cancer. Occupational hazard. Is there a doctor around who wishes we could do more? Every damn one of us.

But, you also have to remember that many people live through this, at increasing rates every year, because we do the research and find better ways. Without chemo (and I have been through it) they (and I) would have died. Is that a better option?

Should a patient ignore a doctor's advice to do chemo because it might help them and try eating herbs, spices, and doing shamanistic rituals instead? Really? If it was you in the office being told that you have a severe diagnosis but the chances of chemo working are 50%, wouldn't you try it instead of trusting that eating grass that's been organically grown will "save you"? I'll take the science every day. And so do millions, and millions live because of it. Sure, you hear about the odd "miracle", for who-knows-what reason. Do you think we quacks sit around wishing the miracle didn't happen and defied our knowledge of what was possible. Hell, we celebrate each life, no matter how the change happens.

Until you've been through it and had to make the decisions, you have no idea what it's like. But think it through: you have a critical diagnosis. Chemo or surgery gives you XX percent chance. Or you can try unproven techniques that have who-knows-what chance. Which will YOU take?
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A huge part of the problem is people buy into the idea that we are what we eat, as a mantra. Rather than a guide to eat better.

I have spent 50 plus years alive because medicine has advanced and continues to.
 
oldguyzer said:
Look guys, I've seen lots of people die from cancer. Occupational hazard. Is there a doctor around who wishes we could do more? Every damn one of us.

But, you also have to remember that many people live through this, at increasing rates every year, because we do the research and find better ways. Without chemo (and I have been through it) they (and I) would have died. Is that a better option?

Should a patient ignore a doctor's advice to do chemo because it might help them and try eating herbs, spices, and doing shamanistic rituals instead? Really? If it was you in the office being told that you have a severe diagnosis but the chances of chemo working are 50%, wouldn't you try it instead of trusting that eating grass that's been organically grown will "save you"? I'll take the science every day. And so do millions, and millions live because of it. Sure, you hear about the odd "miracle", for who-knows-what reason. Do you think we quacks sit around wishing the miracle didn't happen and defied our knowledge of what was possible. Hell, we celebrate each life, no matter how the change happens.

Until you've been through it and had to make the decisions, you have no idea what it's like. But think it through: you have a critical diagnosis. Chemo or surgery gives you XX percent chance. Or you can try unproven techniques that have who-knows-what chance. Which will YOU take?
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Okay so chemo seems to give us our best chance.

But do you believe that one should change their nutritional approach as well?

Or as my friends oncologist who died of stomach cancer told him. And I was there to hear it.

''It doesn't matter what you eat''.

As a matter of fact he was encouraged to eat McDonalds and KFC to keep his weight up.

Turns out strangely enough that was all he could keep down anyways.
 
papasmerf said:
A huge part of the problem is people buy into the idea that we are what we eat, as a mantra. Rather than a guide to eat better.
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See for most people I believe strongly in this concept.

But for some it sadly just does not matter.
 
We can blame diet, additives, fertilizer, whatever we want. Is eating "healthy and organic" going to extend your life and prevent cancer? Who knows. If it does have an effect, it will not be one most people will adopt anyway. Look at how many smoke knowing it shortens their life. Is a diet of McDonalds only good? Of course not. Is a diet of organic carrots only good? Of course not. Use common sense. Cancer happens. It sucks but we try to find causes for something that is a natural event. We get old. I don't like that either, but it happens and is a natural event. I'll die eventually, whether I eat carrots or McCarrots deep-friend in bacon.

Stop trying to blame, find cause, or justify. Live, enjoy, and be healthy.
 
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