It is too stressful for people in russia to turn their clocks back and hour

[Goblet]

Russia has not put its clocks back for winter this year, after President Dmitry Medvedev decided the country would stay permanently in summertime.
Mr Medvedev announced his decision in March, saying it was in order to relieve the stress of changing clocks.
Officials at the time talked about an annual increase in suicides.
It means that this winter in Russia the mornings will be darker for longer, but there will be more daylight in the afternoons.
So, as almost all of Northern Europe set its clocks back overnight, Russia did nothing, opting instead to remain on summertime for the whole year.
But because Russia is almost alone in sticking to summertime it has meant that businesses like banks, and in particular airlines and railways, have had an extra complication this autumn.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15512177

 

[Bubba]

Them Russians surely do it their way or no way.

So educate me guys. What are the pros and cons to this?.

 

[Auggie]

Changing the clocks twice a year is a dumb idea.
Saskatchewan has the right idea. :great:

 

[Transient]

Don't know about the advantages vs. disadvantages, but daylight savings seems to me to be an archaic practice that could be done away with.

 

[tboy]

^^^^ the actual concept behind daylight savings time is to reduce the demand on utilities to make the most of daylight hours. Since the days become longer in the summer, and the sun rises earlier, by moving the clocks ahead we are waking with the sun, and using the most of it. Otherwise, we'd be sleeping those daylight hours away. Now this doesn't really apply in the exact middle of summer, more appropriate in the early and late summer months. See, now, we have sunlight until about 9 9:30 in summer. If we didn't set the clocks forward, we'd only have sunlight until 8 8:30 but it would rise at 4 or 5 in the morning.

 

[Auggie]

Do we need the government to regulate us so we wake with the sun and make the most of sunlight?
That smacks of communism if you ask me! :grrrrrr:

 

[Guido]

LEAVE MY COCK I MEAN CLOCK ALONE!!

 

[tboy]

Do we need the government to regulate us so we wake with the sun and make the most of sunlight?
That smacks of communism if you ask me! :grrrrrr:

Yes we do need the government to regulate how and when we use our resources....hence why we're running out of just about everything.....if we didn't, we'd still be dumping toxic waste into our drinking water, have vehicles that get 4 mpg and have brown air....ok have BROWNER air......

If you're concerned that this smacks of communism, what about government healthcare? Welfare? Unemployment Benefits? Those are all socialist programs......

here's some info on what it means:
Energy Savings - will possibly save 100,000 barrels of oil daily. People will turn interior and exterior lights on later in the day which will save electricity. Lighting for evening sports events can be turned on one hour later.
Recreation - people will have more time to enjoy outdoor activities such as golf, tennis and theme parks.
Farming - many farmers work part time and will have an extra hour to work after they arrive home. Full time farmers may not benefit.

 

[Transient]

A study done in 2006 over seven million homes showed there is not an increase in energy savings. The opposite is actually true. You are swapping lighting needs for heating a/c needs, you are using more energy.

 

[tboy]

^^^^ I'll point out some obvious flaws in that study:

They state that the cost of electricity went up therefore more energy must be used. That is the wrong conclusion since simply the mere cost of electricity goes up every year. They should have used the amount of electricity used that would be an accurate model.

For eg:
You have a 1969 Camaro SS with a 396 V8 It cost you $20.00 to fill the tank
You have a 2011 Toyota Matrix with a 1.4 L engine, it cost you $25.00 to fill the tank.

According to this study, The 1969 camaro is more efficient since it cost less to fill the tank.

FAIL

The only way to properly study the savings/cost increase is to compare:
The hourly temperatures per day of the entire season in 10 yrs before, and after the change.
The quantity of people on the grid before, during and after the change
In the case of the farms, the volume of materials produced before, during and after the change. For example: if a dairy farmer had 200 head of cattle before the time change, and 225 after the change, of course his energy consumption would increase since he had to milk more cows...>DOH<

At least they acknowledged the difference in A/C use from the various eras. I will also point out that just because people change their habits due to the time change doesn't make it any less efficient. For eg: I read somewhere that when they extended DST a week, it didn't equate to any energy savings because people who had programmable timers on their lights etc, didn't bother to change them therefore the energy consumption didn't change. That doesn't mean, it shouldn't be more energy efficient, just that people were lazy.

Hence why (and here auggie is going to scream communism once again) they are bringing out company controlled appliances in your home. This is where the electricity provider controls when and how you use energy in your home. This is to make homes more efficient since people aren't conserving enough. We wouldn't need things like this if people would get their head out of their asses.....A good example of this is bottled water. How many MILLIONS of bottles are simply tossed instead of being put into recycling?

In addition, they only used electricity as a form of energy savings. Electricity isn't the only form of energy. There is fuel consumption to consider too.

Now if solar panels were more widely used, then when the increase in electricity use goes up, it goes up when the sun is at its brightest therefore offsetting any additional demand. But since solar panels are so fricken expensive, that won't occur for a while yet (even though china has developed cheap and eifficient solar panels....)

 

[Transient]

I realize the contents of the article quoted may not provide the adequate answers to your curiosity, so here is the entire study.

The cost is a relevant yardstick.
From the actual study:
"We obtained data on residential electricity consumption from Duke Energy, which pro-
vides electrical service in southern Indiana to the majority of households in the counties shown in Figure 2.
The dataset consists of monthly billing information for all households serviced by
Duke Energy in the study area from January 2004 through December 2006. All households in
the service area faced the same standard residential rate, and there were no rate changes between 2004 and 2006."

So your Camaro model does not apply.

It also supports results from other studies performed in other parts of the world.

I find it a more accurate indicator rather than quoting a calculated possible savings from 1970 of 100,000 barrels of oil. Choose to believe what you want to believe.

 

[tboy]

Ok, that makes more sense, but in my defence I relied on the information presented.....and using that, my camaro analogy applied.....

 

[The Options Menu]

At this point it matters less and less anyway-- Your computers, cable box, and all of your mobile devices should automagically update the time. Decent modern clocks and watches can do the same if they know the date. That pretty much leaves shrinking share that constitutes 'everything else'.

 

[tboy]

^^^^ also just thinking, with time of use pricing the cost savings will be even more negligable. With that being said, people have to alter their habits for time of use to be any good. Not sure if many are, I know I am.....I don't do laundry until after 11 pm and put the dishwasher on when I go to bed.

 

[Auggie]

If we want government regulating our resources, why not just tax energy? Or even ban energy hogs?
It seems simpler and far more effective than saving a few kilowatts here and there when they control when we wake up. They can't even do that in harmony with various regions having different times for daylight savings to kick in.
More and more we work various shifts and the idea of shortening or lengthening a period of time is throwing a wrench into the system instead of making it more efficient.

 

[The Options Menu]

If we want government regulating our resources, why not just tax energy? Or even ban energy hogs?

Various levels of government do both in various (innumerable) ways. They could do more... (and should in some cases, IMHO.)

 

[McGuinty]