Jailed for non alimony payment.

[Avior]

Wow, just watched this show called "First Week In" on Discovery channel. Had it on as background noise until I saw that this guy was jailed for not paying alimony and child support to his wife. Not that he couldn't pay, but the amount was more than what he brings home each month!

Few months ago a wrestling coach at the high school near by was arrested for the same thing.

At the time he was working a sales job and making a good living and quit to just be a teacher and coach, so his income was 1/4 what it used to be, but he was HAPPY. However the court system decided that he would still have to pay what he made 6 months ago. Now he got let go from his job and makes NO money instead of some.

Looking into this more, the woman can decide to change the amount or deny the claim. Women - what the fuck is your problem? Why would you send a guy to jail because he couldn't pay you thousands of dollars for you to sit around and shop?

IMO, we need harsher rules on women in this day and age. For instance, you fake a rape you go to jail for 20 years. Abuse child support or alimony, you pay back 200% and if you can't, you work it off in jail.

I'm not a sexist by any means, but this countries court system is fucked! Glad I had a prenup before I got married, but now thinking about it, may just be better to get her to sign a divorce paper when she is drunk and never tell her

 

[papasmerf]

you violate a court order and you go to jail

You bury her right and you live happily ever after

 

[FunKER]

You bury her right and you live happily ever after

:rofl!::rofl!:

 

[papasmerf]

:rofl!::rofl!:

my granddaddy told me that a good woman is hard to find when yo bury her right

 

[SillyGirl]

you violate a court order and you go to jail

You bury her right and you live happily ever after

That's a little disturbing, Papa. Was it supposed to be funny?

 

[BEER]

That's a little disturbing, Papa. Was it supposed to be funny?

Yes, I sure hope so.

Hello SillyG. Beers on me when you come to town :heart:

 

[SillyGirl]

Yes, I sure hope so.

Hello SillyG. Beers on me when you come to town :heart:

Thanks, BEER! :kissed:

Alimony...if my ex's financial situation were to change for the worse, he can take me back to court and request that the amount be reduced. That's pretty standard in an alimony agreement. If the convicts chose to just stop paying instead of going through the proper legal channels, whose fault is that?

Edited to add....I totally agree there should be serious jailtime for any bitch who falsely reports a rape.

 

[Smooth]

Sillygirl you show common sense.

I believe the lawyers are the big winners in a divorce.

If I ever get married I'm demanding a prenup that lays everything out.

 

[SillyGirl]

Wow, just watched this show called "First Week In" on Discovery channel. Had it on as background noise until I saw that this guy was jailed for not paying alimony and child support to his wife. Not that he couldn't pay, but the amount was more than what he brings home each month!

Few months ago a wrestling coach at the high school near by was arrested for the same thing.

At the time he was working a sales job and making a good living and quit to just be a teacher and coach, so his income was 1/4 what it used to be, but he was HAPPY. However the court system decided that he would still have to pay what he made 6 months ago. Now he got let go from his job and makes NO money instead of some.

Looking into this more, the woman can decide to change the amount or deny the claim. Women - what the fuck is your problem? Why would you send a guy to jail because he couldn't pay you thousands of dollars for you to sit around and shop?

IMO, we need harsher rules on women in this day and age. For instance, you fake a rape you go to jail for 20 years. Abuse child support or alimony, you pay back 200% and if you can't, you work it off in jail.

I'm not a sexist by any means, but this countries court system is fucked! Glad I had a prenup before I got married, but now thinking about it, may just be better to get her to sign a divorce paper when she is drunk and never tell her

Where can a woman do that? I certainly don't have that option.

 

[tboy]

Thanks, BEER! :kissed:

Alimony...if my ex's financial situation were to change for the worse, he can take me back to court and request that the amount be reduced. That's pretty standard in an alimony agreement. If the convicts chose to just stop paying instead of going through the proper legal channels, whose fault is that?

Edited to add....I totally agree there should be serious jailtime for any bitch who falsely reports a rape.

A couple of things:
1) If the ex husband makes 1/4 of what he did before, how can he afford a lawyer? (psst he can't) How can SHE afford a lawyer? She's making more money than he is, and most likely, the lawyer will send the bill to the ex husband
2) I know (personally) someone who did this, went to court to get it reduced, and the court didn't care that he's making less now, than when he was married...he still had to pay the same amount
3) There was an article in the paper about a guy who worked at spar aerospace when he was married and made (if I recall) $500K+ per year. He got divorced and his alimoney was set. He was laid off and couldn't find a job in his industry. He eventually sold everything and was living in a cot in his parent's basement. Went to court and the judge said "tfb, PAY" even though the alimony was 10x what he was making a month. (I seem to recall the amount was $10,000.00 a month in arrears).

Regarding Prenup:

Smooth, I hate to burst your bubble but they aren't worth the paper they're written on. Ask The DOnald. I forget which ex did this but she said that she couldn't live on the $100K per month that the prenup said she'd get so she went to court and the judge threw out the prenup.....

My advice is, and shall remain? Don't ever get married or live with a woman. EVER. The second you do, you automatically lose everything and I mean EVERYTHING......

 

[tboy]

Where can a woman do that? I certainly don't have that option.

Sure you can, I think he means she can accept less than the agreed to amount or deny his claim of being able to pay less.....she always has that option (but seriously, can you imagine a woman accepting less from an exhusband unless she has to? lol.....)

Just wanted to add: the jail time doesn't surprise me. Up here, if you don't pay up, they will take away your driver's licence. I read a story about a truck driver whose income dropped due to competition and fuel charges etc. They took his licence away so he couldn't earn a penny.

 

[SillyGirl]

Sillygirl you show common sense.

I believe the lawyers are the big winners in a divorce.

If I ever get married I'm demanding a prenup that lays everything out.

Agreed. My ex and I did what's called "collaborative divorce", which is a plan in which we hashed out most of the details ourselves, and sat with the lawyers to fine-tune. It is designed to keep the parties out of court, and is supposed to be the most cooperative, cost-effective way to get divorced if there are any significant assets involved. Even at that, attorneys fees still totaled over $8000.

I'm never getting married again. Well maybe if he had a really impressive bank account, and an even more impressive heart-condition, and no children. :tongue:

 

[SillyGirl]

Sure you can, I think he means she can accept less than the agreed to amount or deny his claim of being able to pay less.....she always has that option (but seriously, can you imagine a woman accepting less from an exhusband unless she has to? lol.....)

Just wanted to add: the jail time doesn't surprise me. Up here, if you don't pay up, they will take away your driver's licence. I read a story about a truck driver whose income dropped due to competition and fuel charges etc. They took his licence away so he couldn't earn a penny.

Oh, LOL, I read it to mean she could up the amount. What's the OPs problem with her being able to accept less?

 

[SillyGirl]

A couple of things:
1) If the ex husband makes 1/4 of what he did before, how can he afford a lawyer? (psst he can't) How can SHE afford a lawyer? She's making more money than he is, and most likely, the lawyer will send the bill to the ex husband
2) I know (personally) someone who did this, went to court to get it reduced, and the court didn't care that he's making less now, than when he was married...he still had to pay the same amount
3) There was an article in the paper about a guy who worked at spar aerospace when he was married and made (if I recall) $500K+ per year. He got divorced and his alimoney was set. He was laid off and couldn't find a job in his industry. He eventually sold everything and was living in a cot in his parent's basement. Went to court and the judge said "tfb, PAY" even though the alimony was 10x what he was making a month. (I seem to recall the amount was $10,000.00 a month in arrears).

Regarding Prenup:

Smooth, I hate to burst your bubble but they aren't worth the paper they're written on. Ask The DOnald. I forget which ex did this but she said that she couldn't live on the $100K per month that the prenup said she'd get so she went to court and the judge threw out the prenup.....

My advice is, and shall remain? Don't ever get married or live with a woman. EVER. The second you do, you automatically lose everything and I mean EVERYTHING......

I can't disagree that those cases are fucked up.

Why never live together, Tboy? Does common-law kick in quickly in Canada?

And is it true that alimony is for life up there? That's nuts.

 

[Jesus Quintana]

I recall reading years back a situation in the States where a guy was paying his alimony, went broke, paid what he could, moved on with his life, met a new woman and then the EX wife went after his NEW WIFE'S SALARY. And she got it.

 

[tboy]

I can't disagree that those cases are fucked up.

Why never live together, Tboy? Does common-law kick in quickly in Canada?

And is it true that alimony is for life up there? That's nuts.

I have heard (not confirmed) that common law occurs within 6 months of living together. It used to be 2 yrs, then 1 year....and I could see it happening within 6 months. Therefore, you meet a girl, fall in love, move in together to 'try it out' before getting married WHOOPS, you already are.

No pun intended, I don't know WHY women don't do this out of hand. I mean, why worry about working when you can find a sucker for 6 months and then be set for the rest of your life.

BTW: the courts don't give a shit if a woman CAN work. Almony stays the same no matter what. The instance about the guy living in his parent's basement, she said she couldn't work because of her bad back. Yet she was ok to play tennis and golf.......

It's fucked, totally fucked. A guy I worked with had a 14 yr old daughter and she was a crack head. (been arrested multiple times for it) and spent all the child support on drugs and booze, brought home "men" all the time to party, and the husband went to court to gain custody. Nope. Even the daughter testified to the goings on. Nope. She broke down in tears and said "please let me live with my daddy". Nope.

I know this is true because she used to come and eat lunch with us at the site. Her dad was busy so I chatted with her and the subject came up. Supposedly she could choose who she lived with when she was 16 and said "I can't WAIT, at the stroke of midnight on my 16th birthday I'm out of there. She said she'll spend the whole day packing so when the clock strikes midnight she'll be ready".

That's how fucked up the system is.

Oh yea, another friend's ex wife met a guy, loved him, and wanted to marry him but wouldn't. Why? Because she'd lose her alimony. I know because he used to bring his daughters around and we'd go to a movie etc and they'd confirm it. They related a conversation her mother had with her BF. Went something like, he wanted to move in with her and she said "no way, I'd lose that $1000 a month"!!!! (and he was pissed off saying "so, lose it...")

 

[tboy]

I recall reading years back a situation in the States where a guy was paying his alimony, went broke, paid what he could, moved on with his life, met a new woman and then the EX wife went after his NEW WIFE'S SALARY. And she got it.

That wasn't that long ago. I seem to recall reading that last year.....(maybe it was an old story but that's when I read it).

 

[SillyGirl]

I recall reading years back a situation in the States where a guy was paying his alimony, went broke, paid what he could, moved on with his life, met a new woman and then the EX wife went after his NEW WIFE'S SALARY. And she got it.

Alimony is a legal obligation like any other. If he'd not fulfilled the terms of his car payments, the loan company would have the same option.

People tend to think of marriage as a romantic thing, when in fact it's a business thing. It creates a new legal entity which is responsible for the obligations brought in by either party.

Tboy the story of the 14yo girl forced to live with the crackhead mom is just mind-boggling and very, very sad. It isn't right how much the courts still favor the mother in custody matters, even if the father is clearly the better parent.

Regarding remarriage...if I got married again (gagging at the thought), the alimony would stop. My ex had the option to write it into the agreement that it would also stop if I moved in with someone. He didn't, probably because I rolled my eyes and said, go ahead, it doesn't matter, I won't be living with a man again.

 

[Madman]

It is unfair but if you speak with many lawyers they defend the system and claim the public doesn't know the entire story. As for living together and I would love the opinion of a family lawyer but I am under the impression that real property is safe in common law and the home at least does not become a matrimonial home as it does in a marriage. Kids on the other hand are a different story, child support can be asked for. Imagine paying child support because one made the mistake of living together with a woman who had kids!

 

[Jesus Quintana]

Agreed that it is nothing more now than a business relationship however look at it this way.
In a business contract all bets are off when one party can no longer fulfill their obligations and file for bankruptcy.
I don't believe that you have that out with alimony.
Reason has to enter the equation at some point. If due to factors beyond the guy's control he can't do it anymore (within reason) then everyone should get to go back to the table.
Funny that I know 2 women who have been chasing "baby-daddies" for YEARS and they can't seem to get a penny from either of them. Jail hasn't happened.