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[h=1]Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17: Train carrying victims arrives in Kharkiv[/h]
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malay...carrying-victims-arrives-in-kharkiv-1.2714056
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malay...carrying-victims-arrives-in-kharkiv-1.2714056
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If I ever see this guy boarding a plane I am getting on, I'm cancelling my flight right away.
He's dodged too many bullets.
2 Fighter Jets Shot Down, Ukraine Says, as Clashes Intensify
KIEV, Ukraine — Fighting intensified in the rebel-controlled region of Ukraine on Wednesday, with military officials reporting that two Ukrainian Su-25 fighter jets had been shot down near the village of Dmytrivka.
Few details of the latest downings were available. But before news of the jets’ loss emerged, a spokesman for Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council in Kiev said that the military operation to suppress the insurgents was advancing in the east, with government troops having retaken the cities of Severodonetsk and Popasna in the Luhansk region, as they continued an aggressive push from the north and west.
Officials said that rebels had blown up a road bridge, a railroad bridge and train tracks in the city of Gorlivka. And they said that there was continued fierce fighting along a section of the border with Russia that remains porous. Ukrainian forces are increasingly desperate to seal that border to prevent resupplies of weapons or new fighters from entering Ukraine.
A Ukrainian military spokesman, Andriy Lysenko, said that Russia had increased its troop presence along the border and that there were increasing numbers of incidents of cross-border shooting.
The loss of the two fighter jets was a serious blow to the Ukrainian military, which has limited air power.
In Kharkiv, a government-controlled city where the bodies of most of the victims of last Thursday’s crash of a Malaysia Airlines jetliner were taken, a Dutch military plane loaded with coffins left for the Netherlands on Wednesday morning, the first in a long series of flights to repatriate the bodies of 298 passengers and crew killed last week when a Russian-made missile downed the plane.
At a ceremony before the departure of the Hercules transport on the sun-swept tarmac of Kharkiv International Airport, Ukrainian officials and foreign diplomats mixed solemn tributes to the dead with angry demands that those responsible for the shooting down of the jet be found and brought to justice.
“This is a tragedy of unspeakable proportions,” an Australian representative, Angus Houston, told the gathering, flanked by a Ukrainian military honor guard dressed in black uniforms.
The Ukrainian vice prime minister, Volodymyr Groysman, said, “Those who are guilty for this terrorist act will be punished.”
Mr. Groysman left no doubt that Ukraine believes the guilty parties are not only pro-Russian rebels into whose territory in eastern Ukraine the plane crashed last Thursday, but also Russia, asserting that “Russian military personnel launched the missile that hit a civilian Malaysian aircraft.”
“We are today sending off innocents who were murdered,” he said.
Officers from the Kiev Military Academy, dressed in blue uniforms with yellow braid — the colors of the Ukrainian flag — carried four wooden coffins into the plane, which took off at noon bound for the Netherlands with 16 bodies on board, according to Dutch officials. A second plane from Australia was due to take 24 more bodies, also to the Netherlands, later on Wednesday.
Although foreign officials at the ceremony called for justice, they did not assign blame. That stood in contrast to Mr. Groysman, who denounced what he called “Russian aggression” against Ukraine.
As the plane carrying the first bodies took off, a Ukrainian woman waved a hand-drawn sign reading “Judge Putin in the Hague,” a reference to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.
The woman, Alexandra Kharchenko, a 39-year-old designer who lives in Kharkiv, said Mr. Putin should be called before an international tribunal. She accused him of encouraging and arming the pro-Russian separatists whom Ukraine and the United States have accused of firing the surface-to-air missile that downed the passenger jet.
“I just want to draw attention to who is ultimately responsible for this crime,” Ms. Kharchenko said.
The Kremlin and the rebels have repeatedly denied any role in shooting down the Malaysia Airlines plane, which was en route to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, from Amsterdam, and have said the blame lies with Ukraine.
A representative for the Dutch government at the farewell ceremony in Kharkiv called for patience in assessing exactly what happened. He cautioned that even identifying the bodies — a task that will be carried out by Dutch specialists at a laboratory in the Netherlands — would be a long and laborious process.
The bodies, held for days by the pro-Russian rebels who control the crash site, were delivered to Kharkiv by rail on Tuesday, along with the data and voice recorders from the doomed plane. It will take at least several days for experts to unload five refrigerated railway cars at a Soviet-era tank factory in Kharkiv, place the bodies in coffins and transport them by air to the Netherlands.
“Today your journey home begins. It will still be a long journey. We have started a process that will take time,” said Hans Docter, the Dutch representative. “We have to do this right. The eyes of the world are upon us.”
In Britain, the Department for Transportation confirmed in a statement Wednesday that both the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 had been delivered by Dutch investigators to the department’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch.
Representatives of the Dutch Safety Board, who have been asked by Ukraine to lead the technical investigation into the crash, received the recording devices known as black boxes from Malaysian officials who obtained them from rebels on Monday and put them on the train carrying bodies to Kharkiv, a government-controlled city. The Dutch delivered them to Britain early Wednesday.
The Netherlands, which had the largest number of citizens aboard Flight 17, took formal control of the inquiry later on Tuesday, following negotiations with the governments of Ukraine and Malaysia, as well as the International Civil Aviation Organization, an arm of the United Nations.
Under international rules, Ukraine, as the country where the accident took place, would normally be first in line to lead the inquiry, followed by Malaysia, as the country in which the aircraft was registered. Both governments exercised their authority to delegate the responsibility to another country.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/world/europe/Malaysia-Airlines-jet-ukraine.html?_r=0
KIEV, Ukraine — Fighting intensified in the rebel-controlled region of Ukraine on Wednesday, with military officials reporting that two Ukrainian Su-25 fighter jets had been shot down near the village of Dmytrivka.
Few details of the latest downings were available. But before news of the jets’ loss emerged, a spokesman for Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council in Kiev said that the military operation to suppress the insurgents was advancing in the east, with government troops having retaken the cities of Severodonetsk and Popasna in the Luhansk region, as they continued an aggressive push from the north and west.
Officials said that rebels had blown up a road bridge, a railroad bridge and train tracks in the city of Gorlivka. And they said that there was continued fierce fighting along a section of the border with Russia that remains porous. Ukrainian forces are increasingly desperate to seal that border to prevent resupplies of weapons or new fighters from entering Ukraine.
A Ukrainian military spokesman, Andriy Lysenko, said that Russia had increased its troop presence along the border and that there were increasing numbers of incidents of cross-border shooting.
The loss of the two fighter jets was a serious blow to the Ukrainian military, which has limited air power.
In Kharkiv, a government-controlled city where the bodies of most of the victims of last Thursday’s crash of a Malaysia Airlines jetliner were taken, a Dutch military plane loaded with coffins left for the Netherlands on Wednesday morning, the first in a long series of flights to repatriate the bodies of 298 passengers and crew killed last week when a Russian-made missile downed the plane.
At a ceremony before the departure of the Hercules transport on the sun-swept tarmac of Kharkiv International Airport, Ukrainian officials and foreign diplomats mixed solemn tributes to the dead with angry demands that those responsible for the shooting down of the jet be found and brought to justice.
“This is a tragedy of unspeakable proportions,” an Australian representative, Angus Houston, told the gathering, flanked by a Ukrainian military honor guard dressed in black uniforms.
The Ukrainian vice prime minister, Volodymyr Groysman, said, “Those who are guilty for this terrorist act will be punished.”
Mr. Groysman left no doubt that Ukraine believes the guilty parties are not only pro-Russian rebels into whose territory in eastern Ukraine the plane crashed last Thursday, but also Russia, asserting that “Russian military personnel launched the missile that hit a civilian Malaysian aircraft.”
“We are today sending off innocents who were murdered,” he said.
Officers from the Kiev Military Academy, dressed in blue uniforms with yellow braid — the colors of the Ukrainian flag — carried four wooden coffins into the plane, which took off at noon bound for the Netherlands with 16 bodies on board, according to Dutch officials. A second plane from Australia was due to take 24 more bodies, also to the Netherlands, later on Wednesday.
Although foreign officials at the ceremony called for justice, they did not assign blame. That stood in contrast to Mr. Groysman, who denounced what he called “Russian aggression” against Ukraine.
As the plane carrying the first bodies took off, a Ukrainian woman waved a hand-drawn sign reading “Judge Putin in the Hague,” a reference to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.
The woman, Alexandra Kharchenko, a 39-year-old designer who lives in Kharkiv, said Mr. Putin should be called before an international tribunal. She accused him of encouraging and arming the pro-Russian separatists whom Ukraine and the United States have accused of firing the surface-to-air missile that downed the passenger jet.
“I just want to draw attention to who is ultimately responsible for this crime,” Ms. Kharchenko said.
The Kremlin and the rebels have repeatedly denied any role in shooting down the Malaysia Airlines plane, which was en route to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, from Amsterdam, and have said the blame lies with Ukraine.
A representative for the Dutch government at the farewell ceremony in Kharkiv called for patience in assessing exactly what happened. He cautioned that even identifying the bodies — a task that will be carried out by Dutch specialists at a laboratory in the Netherlands — would be a long and laborious process.
The bodies, held for days by the pro-Russian rebels who control the crash site, were delivered to Kharkiv by rail on Tuesday, along with the data and voice recorders from the doomed plane. It will take at least several days for experts to unload five refrigerated railway cars at a Soviet-era tank factory in Kharkiv, place the bodies in coffins and transport them by air to the Netherlands.
“Today your journey home begins. It will still be a long journey. We have started a process that will take time,” said Hans Docter, the Dutch representative. “We have to do this right. The eyes of the world are upon us.”
In Britain, the Department for Transportation confirmed in a statement Wednesday that both the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 had been delivered by Dutch investigators to the department’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch.
Representatives of the Dutch Safety Board, who have been asked by Ukraine to lead the technical investigation into the crash, received the recording devices known as black boxes from Malaysian officials who obtained them from rebels on Monday and put them on the train carrying bodies to Kharkiv, a government-controlled city. The Dutch delivered them to Britain early Wednesday.
The Netherlands, which had the largest number of citizens aboard Flight 17, took formal control of the inquiry later on Tuesday, following negotiations with the governments of Ukraine and Malaysia, as well as the International Civil Aviation Organization, an arm of the United Nations.
Under international rules, Ukraine, as the country where the accident took place, would normally be first in line to lead the inquiry, followed by Malaysia, as the country in which the aircraft was registered. Both governments exercised their authority to delegate the responsibility to another country.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/world/europe/Malaysia-Airlines-jet-ukraine.html?_r=0
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MH17 Crash Exposes UK Arms Sales To Russia
The shooting down of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 by pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine is turning out to be a huge embarrassment for Britain's Conservative prime minister, David Cameron.
Four different reports from various House of Commons committees have revealed that the U.K. has as many as 251 active arms sales licenses with Russia. British arms export licenses cover the type of missiles that brought down the jet, killing 298 people, mostly tourists, The Guardian noted.
At the same time, the Conservative Party has taken huge political donations from Russian interests. Mayor of London Boris Johnson — who is expected to stand as a Conservative MP in the upcoming general election — has said he may now refuse to play a game of tennis with one Russian oligarch who donated £160,000 to the party.
Cameron promised on Monday that Britain had already stopped arms sales to Russia. That turned out to not be the case.
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/mh17-crash-exposes-uk-arms-190625965.html
The shooting down of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 by pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine is turning out to be a huge embarrassment for Britain's Conservative prime minister, David Cameron.
Four different reports from various House of Commons committees have revealed that the U.K. has as many as 251 active arms sales licenses with Russia. British arms export licenses cover the type of missiles that brought down the jet, killing 298 people, mostly tourists, The Guardian noted.
At the same time, the Conservative Party has taken huge political donations from Russian interests. Mayor of London Boris Johnson — who is expected to stand as a Conservative MP in the upcoming general election — has said he may now refuse to play a game of tennis with one Russian oligarch who donated £160,000 to the party.
Cameron promised on Monday that Britain had already stopped arms sales to Russia. That turned out to not be the case.
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/mh17-crash-exposes-uk-arms-190625965.html
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MH17 suffered 'explosive' loss of pressure
Data shows Malaysian jet suffered "massive explosive decompression" after being hit, as fighting flares at crash site.
Data from recovered flight recorders shows that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 crashed in eastern Ukraine because of an explosive loss of pressure after being punctured multiple times by shrapnel, a Ukrainian security spokesman says.
Andrei Lysenko said on Monday the plane suffered "massive explosive decompression" after it was hit by fragments he said came from a missile.
The data recorders were sent to experts in Britain for examination.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/euro...ressure-ukraine-crash-201472812532054303.html
Data shows Malaysian jet suffered "massive explosive decompression" after being hit, as fighting flares at crash site.
Data from recovered flight recorders shows that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 crashed in eastern Ukraine because of an explosive loss of pressure after being punctured multiple times by shrapnel, a Ukrainian security spokesman says.
Andrei Lysenko said on Monday the plane suffered "massive explosive decompression" after it was hit by fragments he said came from a missile.
The data recorders were sent to experts in Britain for examination.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/euro...ressure-ukraine-crash-201472812532054303.html
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Won't believe anything until they confirm the find of the black box.
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They showed the black box on the news yesterday, so they do have it.
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Did a little Google search.
MOSCOW—Ukrainian authorities said Monday that data retrieved from the black boxes aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 showed the plane was destroyed by "massive explosive decompression" caused by shrapnel from a missile.
The alleged cause of the downing of the civilian passenger jet was revealed by Col. Andriy Lysenko, spokesman for Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council, and hasn't been confirmed by European officials who have been analyzing the data on the plane's flight recorders.
The plane was brought down July 17 as it flew at 33,000 feet over a conflict zone in eastern Ukraine—an altitude that experts say could be reached only by sophisticated surface-to-air missiles. Ukraine and U.S. intelligence agencies have said the missile appeared to have been fired from territory controlled by pro-Russia separatists. The rebels have insisted they have never possessed weapons capable of hitting a plane at that height.
The U.S. has blamed Russia for providing the Buk missile system to the rebels, a claim that Moscow denies.
The black boxes are being analyzed in the United Kingdom after being handed over by the rebels to Malaysian authorities last week.
Air safety experts say the devices aboard the plane are older versions likely to provide only limited information regarding the sequence of events following the presumed missile strike on the plane.
Both the flight-data and cockpit-voice recorder were manufactured in the mid-1990s, before regulators mandated that such devices on new jetliners include larger memories, faster recording speeds and backup battery power in case onboard electrical systems suddenly fail.
This could result in investigators ending up with sketchy data about the seconds immediately after a ground-to-air missile strike, with the cockpit-voice recorder not having much beyond the sounds of the impact.
https://online.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-says-missile-shrapnel-destroyed-mh17-1406544088
[h=1]Australia: Debris found off Reunion is 'major lead' in MH370 search[/h]
(CNN)The discovery of debris off the coast of Reunion Island is "a very significant development" in the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, but it's too soon to say whether it's part of the missing aircraft, Australian Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss said Thursday.
Authorities are treating it as "a major lead," Truss told reporters.
The debris was found Wednesday off the coast of Reunion, a French department in the western Indian Ocean. It is being examined to determine whether it is connected to Flight 370, according to a member of the French air force in Reunion....https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...ine-Russia-border-July-22-as-it-happened.html
(CNN)The discovery of debris off the coast of Reunion Island is "a very significant development" in the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, but it's too soon to say whether it's part of the missing aircraft, Australian Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss said Thursday.
Authorities are treating it as "a major lead," Truss told reporters.
The debris was found Wednesday off the coast of Reunion, a French department in the western Indian Ocean. It is being examined to determine whether it is connected to Flight 370, according to a member of the French air force in Reunion....https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...ine-Russia-border-July-22-as-it-happened.html
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[h=1]MH370 search: Volcano erupts on Reunion island where plane wreckage was discovered[/h]
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[h=1]EXCLUSIVE: Is this missing flight MH370? New sonar images of two box-like shapes deep in the Indian Ocean 'strongly indicate aircraft debris' - but searchers can't reach them for three months because of vicious weather[/h]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ia-Airlines-MH370-t-NOVEMBER-bad-weather.html
- 'Category 3' debris images from Fugro Survey and Malaysia's Go Phoenix operation are likely parts of a plane
- Images from the sonar scouring of the sea-bed are categorised as either 1, 2 or 3 - with 3 being the most significant
- In one sonar photo box-like images are visible on the sea floor and the other shows long thin objects
- Fugro boss Steve Duffield says only calm seas in November will allow closer examination by underwater vehicle
- 'That's [when we] we are able to do broad area searches that identifies a number of contacts,' says Duffiel
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ia-Airlines-MH370-t-NOVEMBER-bad-weather.html
