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Means inspectors were bribed.
naw, inspectors or engineers didn`t necessarily get paid off or are `bad`, it is very difficult to see structural issues unless you`re mike holmes who would tear the roof off to inspect one electrical outlet.....
I`m no engineer but i bet if a follow up story is written, they`ll find the leaky roof had rusted and eroded the structural members supporting the pads thereby causing them to fail....you can see one I beam in the photo hanging down.....
If you`ve ever watched the show `life after people` that is how our buildings would slowly be ruduced to rubble. Concrete is porous and water would seep into it, contact the rebar inside (or in this case a support beam) and rust it away.....
I`m no engineer but i bet if a follow up story is written, they`ll find the leaky roof had rusted and eroded the structural members supporting the pads thereby causing them to fail....you can see one I beam in the photo hanging down.....
If you`ve ever watched the show `life after people` that is how our buildings would slowly be ruduced to rubble. Concrete is porous and water would seep into it, contact the rebar inside (or in this case a support beam) and rust it away.....
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I've watched the show several time and each time it gave me the creeps.
It would seem the above floor was a parking lot. You would think it would have been underground instead of above.
what's really scary is how our cellphones, plastic bottles etc will be around thousands of years after the human race is gone......
As for the parking above as opposed to below, that's quite common with smaller malls.....bayview village is like that.....it's because it is much much cheaper to simply build a stronger roof than excavate below....with underground parking you require all kinds of special ventilation, ramps, lighting etc. When it is on top, you use sunlight to illuminate the area for much of the regular business hours.....and actually, cars aren't that heavy when you calculate their pounds per sq ft/inch....figure a 3000 lb car measures about 6 feet x 10 feet that's 60 sq ft. that's about 50 lbs psf. a person is about 3 sq ft and is around 150 lbs...50 lbs psf....
The load of a car isn't on 6 feet x 10 feet, it's only on the part of the 4 tires touching the ground. Cars also bring in salt and oil deposits that weaken the surface.
that's true, but the tires are spaced apart over that 60 sq ft and the load rating of the pad they are sitting on is evenly distributed over the entire area, it isn't supported just under the tires.....btw, before you start a pissing match, talk to an engineer, that's how they calculate the load rating on a parking structure....i know this because I asked this very question of one I used to work with......
Did you know that when calculating the live load on a structure that will be used by people they don't use simply the size of a person's feet? they use the approximate area the person would occupy. THey also calculate 200 lbs psf since you don't really know the size of a person who will be using the structure.
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It's been so long since I've been to Elliot Lake, I didn't realize they had a mall! No, I'm not being sarcastic!
No pissing match, I'll ask an engineer if I remember.
And now the Gardiner Expressway is falling apart. Maybe we'll get lucky and the whole thing will come tumbling down, that way we wont have to spend money on tearing it down ourselves
https://www.thestar.com/breakingnew...ncrete-from-gardiner-expressway-hits-car?bn=1
https://www.thestar.com/breakingnew...ncrete-from-gardiner-expressway-hits-car?bn=1
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Jesus Quintana
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Shit gets old and the Gardiner is WAY past its prime. They should have taken that offer years ago to let it get buried for free.
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Local residents reacted badly yesterday when authorities called off a rescue bid for any survivors.
ELLIOT LAKE, ONT.—Prime Minister Stephen Harper has offered to send Canadian military personnel to help out with renewed rescue efforts as workers desperately look for survivors of a collapsed shopping mall.
“We’ve offered the help of the federal government, including military. Officials (are) trying to determine what, if anything, could help with the situation,” a Harper spokesperson told the Star Tuesday.
“No official request at this time from the province,” he added.
After a night of waiting, residents of Elliot Lake saw signs of a renewed rescue effort Tuesday morning as crews paved the way for heavy machinery.
LATEST UPDATE:Excavation gear on its way to Elliot Lake, says Dalton McGuinty
Two large cranes are already onsite, one deployed over top of the Algo Centre Mall that suffered a collapse Saturday afternoon, injuring 22 and trapping at least two people.
The equipment being brought in can’t travel on the normal road, so crews are levelling out hills and paving a new road to the mall.
Gary Gendron’s fiancée is trapped in the tangled wreckage of the Algo Centre, one of the two people police have confirmed are inside. Lucie Aylwin, 37, works one day Saturday a month at the lottery booth in the Algo Centre Mall.
Gendron said he’d go in after her in a second if he could.
One person is dead and the other showed signs of life early Monday morning, when police detected breathing.
“Fifty-fifty chance it’s Lucie or it’s that other lady that Lucie was serving,” said Gendron. “I know, I have faith, it’s Lucie.”
She was working June 23, when the roof above the lottery booth collapsed, sending two cars and tons of concrete plunging through two floors of the mall.
Gendron proposed to Aylwin Oct. 2011 at the 19th annual Autumn Colours in Pe****orough by driving the pace truck and unfurling a banner asking her to marry him.
There, in front of a crowd of 5,000, she said yes.
The world has turned its attention to Aylwin and others trapped in the mall located in the northern Ontario retirement community, population 12,000.
On Monday, officials announced the building was too unsafe to allow people to enter. The townspeople reacted with a mixture of anger and grief. Several former miners banded together to form a renegade rescue team.
But their efforts would not be needed.
Premier Dalton McGuinty issued a statement late Monday night authorizing the crew to do whatever is necessary to continue the rescue.
“I believe we owe it to the families waiting for word of their loved ones to leave no stone unturned,” McGuinty said in a statement.
The premier spoke about the situation with Prime Minister Stephen Harper Monday.
Hundreds of residents gathered in front of the mall Monday night to watch rescue efforts, but the Heavy Urban Search and Rescue team dispatched from Toronto, led by Toronto police Staff Insp. Bill Neadles, spent time coming up with a plan.
There were tense moments shortly before midnight as some residents grew agitated and attempted to block the mall exits to prevent equipment from leaving. Some in the group talked about running into the mall, but a police presence deterred them.
The crowd was calmed by police assurances and eventually shifted from a frustrated, angry group to one watching intensely for signs of action.
The new mandate of the rescue team is calling for the use of mechanical measures and more “drastic” moves.
When asked if it was still a rescue mission or had become a recovery mission, fire chief Paul Officer hesitated to classify it.
“We’re all very hopeful,” he said. “But we have to be realistic to a certain extent that along with drastic measures come unexpected results.”
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...ly-to-find-people-trapped-beneath-rubble?bn=1
ELLIOT LAKE, ONT.—Prime Minister Stephen Harper has offered to send Canadian military personnel to help out with renewed rescue efforts as workers desperately look for survivors of a collapsed shopping mall.
“We’ve offered the help of the federal government, including military. Officials (are) trying to determine what, if anything, could help with the situation,” a Harper spokesperson told the Star Tuesday.
“No official request at this time from the province,” he added.
After a night of waiting, residents of Elliot Lake saw signs of a renewed rescue effort Tuesday morning as crews paved the way for heavy machinery.
LATEST UPDATE:Excavation gear on its way to Elliot Lake, says Dalton McGuinty
Two large cranes are already onsite, one deployed over top of the Algo Centre Mall that suffered a collapse Saturday afternoon, injuring 22 and trapping at least two people.
The equipment being brought in can’t travel on the normal road, so crews are levelling out hills and paving a new road to the mall.
Gary Gendron’s fiancée is trapped in the tangled wreckage of the Algo Centre, one of the two people police have confirmed are inside. Lucie Aylwin, 37, works one day Saturday a month at the lottery booth in the Algo Centre Mall.
Gendron said he’d go in after her in a second if he could.
One person is dead and the other showed signs of life early Monday morning, when police detected breathing.
“Fifty-fifty chance it’s Lucie or it’s that other lady that Lucie was serving,” said Gendron. “I know, I have faith, it’s Lucie.”
She was working June 23, when the roof above the lottery booth collapsed, sending two cars and tons of concrete plunging through two floors of the mall.
Gendron proposed to Aylwin Oct. 2011 at the 19th annual Autumn Colours in Pe****orough by driving the pace truck and unfurling a banner asking her to marry him.
There, in front of a crowd of 5,000, she said yes.
The world has turned its attention to Aylwin and others trapped in the mall located in the northern Ontario retirement community, population 12,000.
On Monday, officials announced the building was too unsafe to allow people to enter. The townspeople reacted with a mixture of anger and grief. Several former miners banded together to form a renegade rescue team.
But their efforts would not be needed.
Premier Dalton McGuinty issued a statement late Monday night authorizing the crew to do whatever is necessary to continue the rescue.
“I believe we owe it to the families waiting for word of their loved ones to leave no stone unturned,” McGuinty said in a statement.
The premier spoke about the situation with Prime Minister Stephen Harper Monday.
Hundreds of residents gathered in front of the mall Monday night to watch rescue efforts, but the Heavy Urban Search and Rescue team dispatched from Toronto, led by Toronto police Staff Insp. Bill Neadles, spent time coming up with a plan.
There were tense moments shortly before midnight as some residents grew agitated and attempted to block the mall exits to prevent equipment from leaving. Some in the group talked about running into the mall, but a police presence deterred them.
The crowd was calmed by police assurances and eventually shifted from a frustrated, angry group to one watching intensely for signs of action.
The new mandate of the rescue team is calling for the use of mechanical measures and more “drastic” moves.
When asked if it was still a rescue mission or had become a recovery mission, fire chief Paul Officer hesitated to classify it.
“We’re all very hopeful,” he said. “But we have to be realistic to a certain extent that along with drastic measures come unexpected results.”
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...ly-to-find-people-trapped-beneath-rubble?bn=1
wait , what? it was unsafe? fuuuuck....hundreds of thousands rushed to ground zero after 9/11 knowing they would be risking their lives......for shame on our rescue teams....this IS what you get paid for...get your asses in their and get those people out......
[h=1]Two bodies recovered from debris[/h]
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...scuers-inched-closer-to-possible-victims?bn=1
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...scuers-inched-closer-to-possible-victims?bn=1
So any theories on how this mall could just suddenly fucking collapse?? I understand it was probably structural failure, its just that I've never heard of a mall simply collapsing by itself. At least not outside of 3rd world countries Hmmmmmm
