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Mall roof collapse injures at least 4 in N. Ontario

THis isn't a theory btw, since there was roof top parking, and they had experienced leaks over the years and repairs, there was probably rot/corrosion on structural members causing those members to fail.......

We won't know for sure until a full investigation is conducted.

In addition, I spoke to a building inspector who was on site today about this. I asked him how they could have missed what turned out to be a structural problem....know what he said? Well, they cannot cut into any covering in order to see what issues might be buried under 12" of concrete. They also can't remove any fireproofing material covering the members. What they look for are signs or indicators of problems. I said "like rust stains, sagging, etc"? He said yup.

I then said: Do you think they inspected the entire structure?

Nope, that would be impossible. More often than not there are ventilation ducts etc that prevent you from being able to see everything, plus it would take a month or more to completely inspect the entire structure.

I said "kind of like when you're inspecting one of our houses, you don't check every nail, you check to see how we're nailing and assume that we're doing the same everywhere"

Yup, it would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and cause countless delays to do something like that.....

Anyhow, someone's head will roll because of this even though they probably did everything they were supposed to do. But if there is legislature written to have the inspectors do a complete exam, including excavating and removing concrete to inspect sub-structures, plan on the cost of houses, condos etc to cost 10000x more than they do now.....(just imagine how long it would take to inspect every bolt, and every weld in a structure 100 stories high...there's millions of connections...)

We also went on to discuss the world trade center and how it failed even though it was a well built building......
 
I wonder if the Gardiner could be next. Remember that Montreal highway overpass?? And now this mall.

You never know.....
 
Shit gets old and the Gardiner is WAY past its prime. They should have taken that offer years ago to let it get buried for free.

They would still have the same problems, the roof of the buried Gardiner would also corrode over time especially if the Lakeshore is over it. But at least they wouldn't have to salt the underground road.
 
Salting and the Freeze thaw cycles are the worst and most damaging things about weathering. Whenever I see rusty exposed rebar I tend to think to myself that it's a shame that no one thought of using that Vinyl or plastic covered rebar back when these structures were built.
 
Salting and the Freeze thaw cycles are the worst and most damaging things about weathering. Whenever I see rusty exposed rebar I tend to think to myself that it's a shame that no one thought of using that Vinyl or plastic covered rebar back when these structures were built.

they weren't readily available back when the gardiner was built.......1955 - 1966

BTW: this week i built some forms for footings for a new house...the rebar was already rusted when it was delivered......makes you think don't it?
 
I'd hate to be in the landlord's shoes right now :SayWhat?:

https://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/06/mall-collapse-victims-file-class-action-lawsuit

The victims of the mall collapse in this northern Ontario city have filed a $30 million class-action lawsuit against a group of defendants, including the head of the company that owns the mall and the city of Elliot Lake. The roof of the Algo Centre Mall collapsed on June 23, killing two women. Another 22 people were injured and hundreds have been left unemployed in the aftermath. Teams continue to clean out the rubble the city’s retail hub. The two lead plaintiffs in the lawsuit are Elaine and Jack Quinte, who own Hungry Jack’s, a restaurant in the mall’s food court.

Eastwood Mall Inc., the company that owns the mall, and Robert Nazarian, the head of Eastwood Mall Inc., have been named separately as defendants. Douglas Elliott, a lawyer with one of the three firms filing the class-action suit, said at an afternoon press conference here that Nazarian was named personally because they believe he was aware of problems with the mall’s roof and failed to correct them.

The City of Elliot Lake is named as a defendant for its “role in inspecting buildings and its power to require remedial action with respect to the conditions of the mall,” Elliot said. An engineering firm known for the moment only under a pseudonym has also been named as a defendant in the suit.

Lawyers also notified the province of Ontario that it is being named in the suit.
“The Ministry of Labour had been in to inspect the site several times because it posed a threat to people working in the mall area. So, there was a concern under the Occupational Health and Safety Act,” Elliott said.

“It is our claim that the work by the Ministry of Labour was also ineffective.”
The city of Elliot Lake is named as a defendant because of its “role in inspecting buildings and its power to require remedial action with respect to the conditions of the mall,” Elliott said.
None of the allegations made in the claim have been proven in court.

Doloris Perizzolo, 74, and Lucie Aylwin, 37, were killed in the collapse
 
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