My Child Is Pure

[Agent86]

Measles seems to be making a come back, just ask Crosby. But there is one man here that needs a reality check.




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[TD="width: 480"]An Arizona cardiologist told CNN in an interview that went online Monday that he doesn't care if his refusal to vaccinate his kids gives other children grave, preventable diseases.


Im not going to sacrifice the well-being of my child. My child is pure, Dr. Jack Wolfson said in the interview. Its not my responsibility to be protecting their child.


Wolfson was responding to a public appeal for all parents to vaccinate their children from Arizona pediatrician Dr. Tim Sacks, whose leukemia-stricken daughter was exposed to measles after an unvaccinated American family introduced the disease into the greater population during a trip to Disneyland.


Wolfson was interviewed last week by television station KPNX as a source on the debate over vaccinations, calling himself "the paleo-cardiologist," according to the report.


The doctor said that children should not avoid getting infections such as measels and mumps. "These are the rights of our children to get it," he told KPNX.


Back on CNN, Wolfson dismissed his fellow doctor's appeal to anti-vaxxers.


"As far as Im concerned, its very likely that her leukemia is from vaccinations in the first place," Wolfson said.


The CNN interviewer asked Wolfson repeatedly if he could live with himself if his unvaccinated child got other children, like Sacks' daughter, fatally sick.


I could live with myself easily. Its an unfortunate thing that people die, but people die. And Im not going to put my child at risk to save another child, he said.
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Anti-vax doctor shrugs off possibility of fatally infecting other kids.

 

[oldguyzer]

Yep, there's been exposes in all the major magazines about the increase in measles, chicken pox, etc. All because these folks buy into the bullshit...

 

[Tourist]

9* out of 10 viruses agree that you should not vaccinate your children.

*small pox could not be reached for comment.

 

[Panini]

9* out of 10 viruses agree that you should not vaccinate your children.

*small pox could not be reached for comment.

The 2014 virus shot was only running at 30% capacity.

 

[oldguyzer]

The 2014 virus shot was only running at 30% capacity.

That's the flu vaccine, which is a shot in the dark every year. Small pox, measles, etc are all well over 99.9% efficacy.

 

[FUKUMAN]

He still is a moron.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

His child IS NOT pure and he is a moron. I would not want this guy as my doctor.

Im not going to sacrifice the well-being of my child. My child is pure, Dr. Jack Wolfson said in the interview. Its not my responsibility to be protecting their child.

And here lies the utter stupidity of this statement. His so called "pure child" can now carry the virus that causes MMR and pass it on to those children who are too young to be vacinated. If I'm not mistaken, typically a child is not vaccinated until the age of 1. So while he is correct in saying it's not his responsibility to protect other people's children it certainly isn't his responsibility to infect others.

 

[oldguyzer]

His child IS NOT pure and he is a moron. I would not want this guy as my doctor.



And here lies the utter stupidity of this statement. His so called "pure child" can now carry the virus that causes MMR and pass it on to those children who are too young to be vacinated. If I'm not mistaken, typically a child is not vaccinated until the age of 1. So while he is correct in saying it's not his responsibility to protect other people's children it certainly isn't his responsibility to infect others.
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It IS his responsibility, if he is a doctor.

 

[papasmerf]

This dipshit is a Cardiologist.
Can you imagine his reaction if one of his patients came down with Rubella while in the hospital?

 

[bobistheowl]

I didn't have the measles as a child, but I caught them right at the end of the school year in May, 1979. At that time, I had a 'mesh' replica football jersey, that I had been wearing in the sun, and my initial thought was that I had received some sunburn, by direct sun exposure through the holes in the shirt. That sounds stupid now, but it's the sort of thing somebody thinks, as a teenager.

The symptoms were less severe as a young adult than they were for kids, when I was a kid. I was able to treat them effectively with calomine lotion. Since I wasn't a little kid, I easily resisted the urge to scratch my skin, because it was itching mildly. I just had the start of my summer vacation delayed for a few days. I stayed in bed for a few days, with a mild fever.

Back in the day, if one kid caught chicken pox or measles, the mother of that kid would have their kid play with other kids who had never had the disease, so they could 'get it over with'. That's what was done, in the early 60's. The other mothers were informed in advance, and saw a controlled exposure as being better, than catching the disease accidentally, and when all of the kids had chicken pox or measles at the same time, they either took a week's vacation from playing together, or they all played together, while they had the same disease: I can't remember which.

I had a very bad reaction to a vaccination 'booster' shot, sometime around 1990, so I don't get flu shots.

A buddy of mine was vaccinated againgst whooping cough as a child, and it had negative effects for the rest of his life. What his doctor didn't know was that my friend had already been exposed to whooping cough, but the symptoms had not yet become visible. The vaccination made the condition much more severe, and did permanent damage to his lungs. He has to take steroid based medications, which have a side effect of water retaintion. His diminished lung capacity also prevents him from doing strenuous cardiovascular exercise. He weighs about 400 pounds, but it it's not because he overeats and choses to not exercise. It's because his body acts like a sponge, and strenuous exercise is dangerous to him.

He's a huge baseball fan, but he never had a chance to play the game. His 'bucket list' is to see a baseball game in each major and minor league ball park, so sometimes he takes vacations that involve travel to a number of small towns, for one day or night at each park. He plots a vacation trip that will allow him to see several games played in a specific geographical area, and the next year, he travels in a different part of the country, usually the United States, because there aren't many minor league baseball teams based in Canada. The Vancouver team might be the only one left.

I may have been to one minor league ball park that he didn't visit - the one in Trois Rivieres, Quebec. The Cincinnati Reds used to have a AA team there, when Randy Macho Man Savage was playing minor league baseball, around 1974-75 era. I think he was a catcher.

I was there for a college football game there, in 1978, a mid week night game. They had a pretty good crowd, because there's fuck all to do in Trois Rivieres on a Wednesday night in mid September.

One of the end zones was smaller than the other, and had the outfield fence at the back of it, and the quarterback for Trois Rivieres would often pass the ball from on top of the pitcher's mound, to be a little taller. That was their first year in the league, and they didn't have a better place to play. The school didn't have much of a budget, so some of the substitute players had half of a phone book taped to their thighs, for padding, because there wasn't enough money to buy new equipment for all of the players.

He keeps track of which parks and stadiums he hasn't been to yet are scheduled to be replaced, and he makes an effort to see those ones before they are gone forever.

Although he had already been there, he drove us to the War Memorial Stadium in Buffalo in August, 1987, to see the second to last game played there, on a Saturday. It wasn't important to either us, to see the final game. The stadium wouldn't have changed much, overnight.

Added: The Trois Riviers Aigles, (Eagles), were in the Eastern League from 1971-77. Savage did not play for Trois Rivieres, he was in the Reds organization in 1974, but only at A ball. I knew he was in the Reds' minor league system at the time that their AA team was in Trois Rivieres, and had assumed that he had progressed to at least AA. He did play catcher, in addition to OF and 1B. This was a 'semi false memory', rather than an intent to deceive. This is why I usually very my facts, before posting trivia, but I'll bet a lot of wrestling fans didn't know that Randy had been a minor league pro baseball player, from age 18-21.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=poffo-001ran

 

[oldguyzer]

A buddy of mine was vaccinated againgst whooping cough as a child, and it had negative effects for the rest of his life. What his doctor didn't know was that my friend had already been exposed to whooping cough, but the symptoms had not yet become visible. The vaccination made the condition much more severe, and did permanent damage to his lungs. He has to take steroid based medications, which have a side effect of water retaintion. His diminished lung capacity also prevents him from doing strenuous cardiovascular exercise. He weighs about 400 pounds, but it it's not because he overeats and choses to not exercise. It's because his body acts like a sponge, and strenuous exercise is dangerous to him.

The vaccines used for whooping cough have an extremely low side-effect rate, so low it's practically unheard of. More than a decade ago, there was a "common wisdom" that the vaccines could cause bronchiectasis, but the cause was later found not to be the vaccine but the incidence of pneumonia that often precluded the bronchiectasis. So, no cause-and-effect from the vaccine. Old wives tales die hard...

By the way, why do you have to turn every thread to be about you, Bob?

 

[papasmerf]

The vaccines used for whooping cough have an extremely low side-effect rate, so low it's practically unheard of. More than a decade ago, there was a "common wisdom" that the vaccines could cause bronchiectasis, but the cause was later found not to be the vaccine but the incidence of pneumonia that often precluded the bronchiectasis. So, no cause-and-effect from the vaccine. Old wives tales die hard...

By the way, why do you have to turn every thread to be about you, Bob?

Come on OG

BITO has had a much more interesting life than I or anyone else on this board for that matter.

I am sure you life has had its moments but BITO's has been better.

 

[oldguyzer]

Come on OG

BITO has had a much more interesting life than I or anyone else on this board for that matter.

I am sure you life has had its moments but BITO's has been better.

I learned a long time ago not to argue with idiots, because they can't understand anything but their own narrow viewpoint. But sometimes I can't help it when they spout pure drivel.

 

[bobistheowl]

If statistical data exists, relating to children who were given a whooping cough vaccination after contracting whooping cough in the late 1950's or early 1960's, perhaps our resident medical expert can provide a link to such data.

My post is based on oral testimony of one individual, a close friend at the time, who told me of his medical history. I had no reason to doubt his word. I haven't spoken to him in a number of years.

I looked for him on the Internet, and discovered that he died almost five years ago, on March 23, 2010. This is the link to his obituary notice:

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The vacination mistake would probably have taken place in approximately 1958. Skeptics who doubt me may dispute my claim by attempting to call his parents, to confirm that what I've said is true. To my knowledge, they are still alive, but I haven't seen them in many years.

David and I were in the same Rotisserie Baseball league, from 1987-95. I folded my team during the 1995 season, because I had made a number of trades in 1992 and 1993 to build a team that would win in 1994, and the strike shortened season damaged this long term plan. Essentially, I traded for top talent who had expiring contracts, in exchange for players who had a high upside potential, and could be retained at a low price for one or more subsequent season, so I had little talent under contract after the 1994 season.

I had little enthusiasm for baseball after that, and, still disinterested, I made no effort to improve my team the following year, after May 1, and my roster effectively remained inert. The league folded the following year, after several teams colluded in player transactions. I had previously been elected the chairman of the rules committee, at mid season in 1987, and held that position until I withdrew my franchise in 1995.

I was re-elected each subsequent year from 1988-95, because I had demonstrated that all of my rulings were in the best interest of the league, even if they were detrimental to my own franchise. I wrote all of the constitutional amendments, and named them after the player involved in the rules interpretation dispute that required a definitive rule that would be binding to all franchise owners. In writing those rules, I antipicated similar situations that had not yet come up, to avoid future rule interpretation problems. When people are playing a game for relatively large sums of money, some individuals will attempt strategies that were not in the spirit of the rules, but were not technically illegal. I plugged a number of loopholes, to ensure that such individuals did not have a competitive advantage.

David was an intelligent man, with a rich sense of humour. He was once a contestant on the television game show Headline Hunters, but he didn't win, so he probably got a toaster or a black and white television or a typewriter as his parting gift. Those were the types of prizes people won on Canadian game shows, in the 1970's. The winner probably got a weekend in a hotel in Niagara Falls, and $100 in spending money, or something like that.

 

[Tourist]

My post is based on oral testimony of one individual, a close friend at the time, who told me of his medical history. I had no reason to doubt his word. I haven't spoken to him in a number of years.

About the same amount of evidence as the rest of the anti-vax arguments have.

 

[oldguyzer]

About the same amount of evidence as the rest of the anti-vax arguments have.

But you only took 14 words to say it, not 14,000 :biggrin2:

 

[STU700]

One more time.

First measles case confirmed in York Region

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015...rk-region.html