Ontario to ban smoking on restaurant patios, sports fields

[User-E]

I would add to that Cardinal that a smoker should also cover their own health costs. And I'm not talking about the premiums but the whole enchilada so to speak. So If a smoker was to develop emphysema they would have to cover the full cost for their treatment.

Good point.

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

I have had dealings with cops exactly like that; the barn somewhere near Keele and St Clair. Three of them, on the sunshine list, one of whom made plain clothes faster than most.

You had dealings with the cops in the past Bob!! Shocking I say!

 

[bobistheowl]

I'd suppose you would like to bring back the opium houses too while you are at it.

You completely missed the point of my satirical post, Maurice Boscorelli. I was pointing out that the people who were/ are so vocal about eradicating all public smoking because it offends them, also annoy other people, by allowing their poorly disciplined children to disturb the peaceful enjoyment of other diners, and because, as a group, they tip the least.

It wasn't most waitresses who complained about smokers, only the ones in second hand smoke cancer television commercials. Smokers always tipped well. You eliminate them, and their seats are filled with more people with noisy kids, who don't tip.

At one point, a woman could support herself on a waitress' take home, thanks, in large part, to the extra tips from the smokers, that no one was expecting them to declare. With their income bracket downsized by the elimination of tips from smokers, many had to resort to taking second part time jobs, and many of those positions have been hampered by government interference, especially just recently.

It's as if the regulators want them to be grateful for denying them the burdens that might be caused by self sufficiency, or mild affluence.

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

Good point.

Thanks I do have my moments. They are fleeting but I do have them,lol.

 

[peace]

You completely missed the point of my satirical post, Maurice Boscorelli. I was pointing out that the people who were/ are so vocal about eradicating all public smoking because it offends them, also annoy other people, by allowing their poorly disciplined children to disturb the peaceful enjoyment of other diners, and because, as a group, they tip the least.

It wasn't most waitresses who complained about smokers, only the ones in second hand smoke cancer television commercials. Smokers always tipped well. You eliminate them, and their seats are filled with more people with noisy kids, who don't tip.

At one point, a woman could support herself on a waitress' take home, thanks, in large part, to the extra tips from the smokers, that no one was expecting them to declare. With their income bracket downsized by the elimination of tips from smokers, many had to resort to taking second part time jobs, and many of those positions have been hampered by government interference, especially just recently.

It's as if the regulators want them to be grateful for denying them the burdens that might be caused by self sufficiency, or mild affluence.

...hmmmm instead of getting extra tips, at least the waitresses have a better chance of not being exposed to second hand smoke....no? Hmmmmmm

 

[oldguyzer]

...hmmmm instead of getting extra tips, at least the waitresses have a better chance of not being exposed to second hand smoke....no? Hmmmmmm

If memory serves, back in the 80s when they started to ban smoking in restaurants, there was a report about the number of waitresses who were contracting lung cancer through their working environment. Also, I think, a law suit.

While there was a lot of fuss at the time about lost income from tips, in reality business stayed the same over time.

 

[bobistheowl]

...Africans are more likely to have sickle cell anemia...

Sickle Cell Anemia is a recessive gene, meaning both parents must carry the gene for the condition to be inherited, while "carriers" suffer no ill effects.

I read in Scientific American that an individual who has one copy of the gene has a biological advantage over an individual who has no copies, in certain climates, because it conveys limited natural immunity to malaria.

A similar correlation exists between the gene for cystic fibrosis and diarrhea. In locations where sewage treatment is/ was poor, and drinking water often tainted by bodily waste byproducts, 'not trotting' increased the likelihood of surviving to reproductive age.

Both hereditary conditions likely arose from a single individual with a unique mutation, that became common because it was reproductively advantageous. It may then be argued that all instances of the disease are caused by the mating of two individuals today who share the same common ancestor, who was the first to carry the gene.

 

[Wanker]

There will be fewer places for smokers to light up come the new year.
New Ontario regulations that ban smoking on all bar and restaurant patios take effect Jan. 1.

At the same time, the province is prohibiting smoking on or around playgrounds and publicly-owned sports fields.
The Ontario government will also no longer allow tobacco to be sold on university and college campuses.

“These changes are to protect kids and youth from accessing tobacco products and the harmful effects of smoking, and to protect the people of Ontario from exposure to tobacco use,” said Andrew Robertson, a spokesman for Associate Health Minister Dipika Damerla. “Making smoking less visible will make it seem less socially acceptable to kids and can reduce the likelihood that they start smoking.”

The vast majority of Ontario residents support banning smoking on playgrounds and sports fields, he added.
Sixty-five municipalities have already invoked bylaws to shelter kids on playgrounds from second-hand smoke, while 60 municipalities ban it on sports fields. The new Ontario-wide regulation means all children will get these protections, he said.

Under the new rules, there will be no smoking around basketball and soccer courts, ice rinks, tennis courts, splash pads and swimming pools owned by a municipality, province or a post-secondary institution.
Children’s playgrounds at motels, hotels and inns are also included in the smoking ban.

Anti-tobacco activists heralded the changes as a positive step forward for people’s health.
At least one restaurant industry spokesman warned that customers will now move on to sidewalks for a puff, exposing passersby to secondhand smoke.
Robertson said the current tobacco law prohibits smoking on covered bar and restaurant patios, but the new regulation extends to those that are completely open to the air.

“Evidence shows that nearly 70% of people in Ontario want completely smoke-free patios,” Robertson said. “People can still be exposed to second-hand smoke on patios, even uncovered patios, and this regulation will reduce people’s exposure to second-hand smoke, including children and youth.”
Some of the more controversial measures are still to come.

Ontario intends to ban the sale of flavoured tobacco, including the popular menthol brands, within a few years.
One group has warned that adult smokers who like menthol will turn to contraband tobacco suppliers for their fix.

NDP MPP France Gelinas, who has pushed hard for a ban on flavoured tobacco, said that these products are developed specifically to create a new generation of young smokers.

https://www.torontosun.com/2014/12/31/smoking-restrictions-kick-in-jan-1

 

[peace]

Smoking ban = :great:

 

[Danolo]

A total tobacco ban will produce a whole new drug dealing business...

 

[peace]

...still get that thing away from me...smoking :no:

 

[Swede]

My heart goes out to you smokers standing outside of office buildings in the winter. Society has probably pushed you a bit too far already. Just a suggestions on how you can stop drawing even more negative scrutiny on yourselves- Don't throw your butts on the ground. I was talking to some Property management types downtown recently and they see this as an ongoing problem. The office buildings have to keep sending somebody around to constantly sweep them up. They are looking at installing special butt disposal containers but it's a cost. They speak of the cheapest method of dealing with the issue is banning smokers from the property. My suggestion is not to draw attention to yourselves by leaving your butts behind.