Rates & Bookings...

[BuzzSaw]

On a side note and perhaps Charlotte and Cristy could answer this. Why does becoming an indy automatically come with a price increase considering at this point the indy keeps the entire fee? I've always wondered why this phenomenon takes place. I've even heard from others about an "indy union" which brought a tear to my eye.. If this is the case, I'll immediately prepare the union cards . :biggrin2:

I'm sure when a group of individuals see a lady charging far less as an indy there is some pressure to stay with the pack with a minimum charge and if I were a guessing man I would think the charge is $300.

I frequent massage parlors and backpages as well as review boards for my luxury sin and tend to stick with agencies. Prior to BillC36 backpages was my main tool but I tend to be much more cautious now and find cost and selection very good with the agencies today.

When it comes to Massage parlors I also tend to stay away from the boutique style massage parlors because I find service to be more restrictive although I've been offered by several mpas to do take out where we can enjoy more fruits of her labor. Please don't ask, no names will be given.

 

[BuzzSaw]

Indy's have to pay all costs that are covered by Agency owners - website, advertising, incall expenses, supplies, driver, phone bill, etc, etc, etc.

Very true but with most agencies, the ladies pay the driver plus $100.00 per call to the agency based on a one hour appoinment which helps in covering the room and other expenses. I believe this is the standard practice give or take $20 here and there.

 

[Beached]

For me rates are not the first consideration but could be a tie breaker if trying to chose between two ladies. I am new to this so researching ads, Reviews, twitter etc. is important to prevent unpleasant surprizes. "Specials" and discount rates scare me off. That being said if I were more than a monthly guy rates may become more of a consideration.

 

[CharloteEdwards]

Rates & Bookings...

Rates & Bookings...

Indy's have to pay all costs that are covered by Agency owners - website, advertising, incall expenses, supplies, driver, phone bill, etc, etc, etc.

And on top of that we often see far less clients so with fronting all of the costs now and seeing less people some girls choose to raise their rates slightly instead of trying to crank out more appointments.

Many ladies quit agencies and retire from burn out, some choose to go Indy instead to be able to control who they see and have a say in how many clients a day they take. Not just stay until "shifts over".

So agency lady seeing 3 half hours a day makes $300 and has no expenses other than condoms, lube and clothes

Indy seeing 1 client for 1 hour a day makes $250-$350 depending what she charges but has all the expenses.

I know guys get upset at girls charging more, but honestly wouldn't you rather they stay in the industry if they were good and not experience burn out and just disappear? Having a slightly higher price and many fewer clients can help balance it.

There's a huge difference in number of clients agency girls see versus most Indys. You guys would be surprised and for some of us it's more desired to be low volume and only have a few appts a week and ensure quality service 100% of the time. For myself I am not a ymmv provider. I strive to give every client my absolute best and I can do so because I don't see any and everyone and my clients benefit from that.

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[bucky88]

Acting as a rational economic actor, I try to get the most bang for my buck - pun intended. The first criteria I apply in choosing an SP is rates. If I'm looking at an SP's website, the first thing I go to is the Rates section. If the rate is above my set threshold, I don't waste my time drooling over her pictures. If an SP is at or below my threshold rate, I then look further and do some research on review boards to make my final decision.

The threshold that I rarely go over is 200 or 220 per session. Many excellent indy and agency SPs can be had for one hour at that price point. I also often take advantage of 45 or 40 min rates. I'm a huge fan of TDL's winterflex and morning glory rates. Also HPL's special terb member rates are great. At the lower rates with either of those agencies, I'm not giving up anything in terms of quality. Price alone will never get me to see an SP, but a good price will make me want to look further into seeing an SP.

B88

 

[sexyfriendstorontoo]

And on top of that we often see far less clients so with fronting all of the costs now and seeing less people some girls choose to raise their rates slightly instead of trying to crank out more appointments.

Many ladies quit agencies and retire from burn out, some choose to go Indy instead to be able to control who they see and have a say in how many clients a day they take. Not just stay until "shifts over".

So agency lady seeing 3 half hours a day makes $300 and has no expenses other than condoms, lube and clothes

Indy seeing 1 client for 1 hour a day makes $250-$350 depending what she charges but has all the expenses.

I know guys get upset at girls charging more, but honestly wouldn't you rather they stay in the industry if they were good and not experience burn out and just disappear? Having a slightly higher price and many fewer clients can help balance it.

There's a huge difference in number of clients agency girls see versus most Indys. You guys would be surprised and for some of us it's more desired to be low volume and only have a few appts a week and ensure quality service 100% of the time. For myself I am not a ymmv provider. I strive to give every client my absolute best and I can do so because I don't see any and everyone and my clients benefit from that.

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I am sure not every agency out there would force you to see as many clients as they want you. For example we have some ladies here at our agency that set their limit and say I can only see let's say 3 clients a day and we say ok no problem. Ladies have a right to set their limit. I find it very silly to generalize all of the agencies. Every agency operates differently and some agencies like us will let ladies set their limit.

 

[CharloteEdwards]

I am sure not every agency out there would force you to see as many clients as they want you. For example we have some ladies here at our agency that set their limit and say I can only see let's say 3 clients a day and we say ok no problem. Ladies have a right to set their limit. I find it very silly to generalize all of the agencies. Every agency operates differently and some agencies like us will let ladies set their limit.

If that is the case, then that's great to know and share. From the Toronto agency ladies I have spoken to, some are unhappy about how many clients they have to see in a shift because they only make 60% of their rate and most bookings are only 30-60 min in length that's all. 3 is fair, it's just more than a lot of the indies and myself see a day as a personal choice.

 

[sexyfriendstorontoo]

If that is the case, then that's great to know and share. From the Toronto agency ladies I have spoken to, some are unhappy about how many clients they have to see in a shift because they only make 60% of their rate and most bookings are only 30-60 min in length that's all. 3 is fair, it's just more than a lot of the indies and myself see a day as a personal choice.

I know that %40 going to the agency sounds like a lot. Our agency fee is about the same but we supply the ladies with all of the work tools they need. Some stuff like body wash, mouthwash and safety gear in regular and large sizes are stored at the incall locations and available to the ladies at no cost. Plus we give out bonuses to the ladies for each good review they get on the main review boards. Outcall security -drivers are also covered by the agency and available at no cost to the ladies. Most indies I know try to see at least 3+ clients a day minimum because most of them work out of hotels and pay for their own ads and it gets pretty pricey and at the end of the day they have to make a profit. The ones that work out of their own places is very small percentage of indie ladies. We have some ladies that come out for just two appointments it's totally up to them. But we operate out of two bedroom condos so it's easier for us to be flexible like that. Some agencies operate out of hotels and can only have one girl working there per shift and in order to make a profit they have to raise the minimum to maybe 5 clients let's say. Just like I said it all depends on what agency a girl decides to go with.

 

[Madman]

What an informative thread, nice to see where all sides approach the industry from.

 

[User-P]

What an informative thread, nice to see where all sides approach the industry from.

The industry has become filled with smart business people.

SP's and Agencies have honed their marketing, advertising and networking skills due to the internet and social media.

Clients have developed review boards like HUBGFE and others, so those that choose to, can be 'smart shoppers'.

Standards of service have evolved, we've been educated about STI's, legal and political issues that apply to the industry, bad date lists and screening methods for the ladies, etc.

Amnesty International has taken the industry to a new level of visibility and accountability worldwide.

Now if we could just get the industry decriminalized ... Hmmmmmm

 

[Olivia Grace]

I agree 100% with Charlotte, I really didn't want to raise my prices but I'm finding that people are willing to pay that. Not only that, but we as indies screen more thoroughly than agencies, wanting people to have at least one reference/LinkedIn/Twitter/board handle before we see them.

I'm not sure how agencies have evolved screening, if they have: I'm not really part of that scene anymore.

Plus, after C36, the only way it was really legal was if you were actively advertising your own sexual services online.

That said, if a girl finds an agency that's a perfect fit, by all means stay with them. I think the indie service providers raise their rates simply because of overhead, and not all of us have an easy path through the industry; but I'd rather be low-volume and be at my best than be high-volume and entirely burned out.

Xoxo,

Olivia

 

[sexyfriendstorontoo]

I agree 100% with Charlotte, I really didn't want to raise my prices but I'm finding that people are willing to pay that. Not only that, but we as indies screen more thoroughly than agencies, wanting people to have at least one reference/LinkedIn/Twitter/board handle before we see them.

I'm not sure how agencies have evolved screening, if they have: I'm not really part of that scene anymore.

Plus, after C36, the only way it was really legal was if you were actively advertising your own sexual services online.

That said, if a girl finds an agency that's a perfect fit, by all means stay with them. I think the indie service providers raise their rates simply because of overhead, and not all of us have an easy path through the industry; but I'd rather be low-volume and be at my best than be high-volume and entirely burned out.

Xoxo,

Olivia

Agencies have experienced bookers who are good at screening clients over the phone. We have a black list and constantly update it. We also screen clients using review boards. We mostly operate out of two bedroom condos and there is usually another girl in the condo and we have a driver security waiting a few minutes away from the condo downstairs and in case of an emergency he will go up. Plus we work out of upscale locations and there is also a
concierge downstairs so those who are looking to start trouble don't call us.

 

[Willy]

The industry has become filled with smart business people.

But now the mob is more involved than ever, according to PMC.

 

[SerenaPaxton]

Interesting thread! I've gotten a few digital eyebrows raised at the fact that my donation ask is slightly higher than most agencies, but that's just been what's worked for me. I don't really want to see several men a day-a few a week is just fine with me. I appreciate mental and physical chemistry and want to be able to put my best self forward, which I find I can't do if I'm overtaxed.

It's a huge pet peeve when I receive texts that simply say "what is your rate" with no greeting, no introduction, not even punctuation (haha). Part of the benefit of pricing myself a bit higher, however, is that the occurence of these abrupt inquiries is greatly minimized. I may be an escort, but I'd rather not feel like I'm the value menu at McDonalds. Just my preference.

I sometimes wonder if I'm a bit too affected by queries or incidences that I find to compromise my dignity, but at the end of the day it's my life and since I have the luxury of an astounding amount of control in my "job". To be employed means a great deal of ass-kissing and bullshit shovelling for the vast majority of people. Not so in my case. It's pretty amazing. My ability to set my rate wherever I please is a beautiful thing and I fully expect market supply and demand to influence how busy I am as a consequence. That's ok. Realistically speaking I still ask a moderate donation for my time by what one might consider "industry standard", and my rates fall squarely within standard ranges when longer dates are booked. Having that first, solitary hour be a bit more expensive may scare off some, but those who do reach out to me to book seem to be across the board wonderful people so I feel that I must be doing something right.

Or, I could be talking out of my ass. I'm sure that fantastic clients who cap their donation budget at lower than my rates are enormously prevalent, just as beautiful and special girls who ask less are most definitely abundant. On the flip side, asking more in no way guarantees that I won't meet with a jerk, or worse. This is a weird and wonderful world where exact science is a myth.

Not sure if I contributed anything meaningful to this thread. Maybe I'm just bored and restless on a Friday night and felt like doing the escort review forum version of a monologue lol.

 

[BuzzSaw]

Interesting thread! I've gotten a few digital eyebrows raised at the fact that my donation ask is slightly higher than most agencies, but that's just been what's worked for me. I don't really want to see several men a day-a few a week is just fine with me. I appreciate mental and physical chemistry and want to be able to put my best self forward, which I find I can't do if I'm overtaxed.

It's a huge pet peeve when I receive texts that simply say "what is your rate" with no greeting, no introduction, not even punctuation (haha). Part of the benefit of pricing myself a bit higher, however, is that the occurence of these abrupt inquiries is greatly minimized. I may be an escort, but I'd rather not feel like I'm the value menu at McDonalds. Just my preference.

I sometimes wonder if I'm a bit too affected by queries or incidences that I find to compromise my dignity, but at the end of the day it's my life and since I have the luxury of an astounding amount of control in my "job". To be employed means a great deal of ass-kissing and bullshit shovelling for the vast majority of people. Not so in my case. It's pretty amazing. My ability to set my rate wherever I please is a beautiful thing and I fully expect market supply and demand to influence how busy I am as a consequence. That's ok. Realistically speaking I still ask a moderate donation for my time by what one might consider "industry standard", and my rates fall squarely within standard ranges when longer dates are booked. Having that first, solitary hour be a bit more expensive may scare off some, but those who do reach out to me to book seem to be across the board wonderful people so I feel that I must be doing something right.

Or, I could be talking out of my ass. I'm sure that fantastic clients who cap their donation budget at lower than my rates are enormously prevalent, just as beautiful and special girls who ask less are most definitely abundant. On the flip side, asking more in no way guarantees that I won't meet with a jerk, or worse. This is a weird and wonderful world where exact science is a myth.

Not sure if I contributed anything meaningful to this thread. Maybe I'm just bored and restless on a Friday night and felt like doing the escort review forum version of a monologue lol.

Just seeing your gorgeous pic made your post worthwhile and although I can't afford your rate on a regular basis I may book you on my birthday as a special treat for me!:good:

 

[SerenaPaxton]

Aw, thank you! You made a girl blush today