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Certainly proves that current laws are quite adequate to deal with trafficking and underage issues.
So why do we need C-36?
So why do we need C-36?
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Art Mann said:
Unfortunately I think that John and Suzie Q Public will look at it as justification for even stiffer laws, as to the police. The only party that voting against this law were the NDP which an indication of how the Cons and Libs think are public's views on the matter
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Art Mann said:
So Harper can please his base in Alberta and get votes.
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Correction ... sorry, no 12-year-old girl involved
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Something to consider.
This likely represents 1% of kids being forced to work in the industry.
The best way to keep the Government out of it is to stop turning a blind eye to this.
Report suspected PIMPS (those who force others to work). Now pimp can be as vile as a kidnaper, abuser or can use drugs to control others.
Put a stop to 100% of this kind of stuff.
This likely represents 1% of kids being forced to work in the industry.
The best way to keep the Government out of it is to stop turning a blind eye to this.
Report suspected PIMPS (those who force others to work). Now pimp can be as vile as a kidnaper, abuser or can use drugs to control others.
Put a stop to 100% of this kind of stuff.
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Sex-trade workers lured by big money in Alberta: police
EDMONTON - Just like everyone else, sex-trade workers are travelling across the country to earn big money in Alberta.
All but one of 16 prostitutes interviewed by Edmonton police recently as part of a human-trafficking investigation had arrived from outside Alberta, mostly from Toronto and Montreal.
“There is a pattern where women are coming to an oil-rich province chasing the money, and we are seeing more and more of that,” Det. David Schening, with the Edmonton police’s vice unit, said Tuesday.
Participating in a nationwide undercover probe called Operation Northern Spotlight, Edmonton detectives contacted sex-trade workers by responding to advertisements on the Internet and then offered intervention and exit strategies instead of arresting them. A secondary goal was determining if they were being forced to work for somebody else.
“The objective is not just enforcement; first and foremost, it is the safety of these women, and then trying to see if we can identify their handlers,” Schening said. “No one acknowledged that was happening, but I saw a lot of reluctance and guarded answers.
“I believe there is an underlying reason why they are here.”
None of the sex-trade workers in Edmonton contacted as part of the investigation was underage, although police elsewhere found minors had been threatened with violence, extortion and drug dependency, among other forms of coercion. The youngest, a 12-year-old girl, was taken into protective custody in Winnipeg.
More than 300 women were interviewed by police from 26 departments nationwide, with nine arrests and 33 charges laid, including forcible confinement, making and distributing child pornography, assault and trafficking in persons.
Launched in January, the operation focused on hotels and motels along thoroughfares in 30 cities and towns, Edmonton and Calgary included. A two-day hotel sting was carried out in Edmonton on Oct. 1-2.
“These are somebody’s daughters and family members who are coming here to engage in a dangerous business,” Schening said. “As a father and a grandfather, there is nothing I would like less than to find them as a victim at a crime scene.”
Schening said detectives tried to leave the sex-trade workers with the understanding that they could reach out to police any time they needed help.
“I think they are making a circuit, going from city to city,” he said. “They was no shortage of women responding to our calls.”
EDMONTON - Just like everyone else, sex-trade workers are travelling across the country to earn big money in Alberta.
All but one of 16 prostitutes interviewed by Edmonton police recently as part of a human-trafficking investigation had arrived from outside Alberta, mostly from Toronto and Montreal.
“There is a pattern where women are coming to an oil-rich province chasing the money, and we are seeing more and more of that,” Det. David Schening, with the Edmonton police’s vice unit, said Tuesday.
Participating in a nationwide undercover probe called Operation Northern Spotlight, Edmonton detectives contacted sex-trade workers by responding to advertisements on the Internet and then offered intervention and exit strategies instead of arresting them. A secondary goal was determining if they were being forced to work for somebody else.
“The objective is not just enforcement; first and foremost, it is the safety of these women, and then trying to see if we can identify their handlers,” Schening said. “No one acknowledged that was happening, but I saw a lot of reluctance and guarded answers.
“I believe there is an underlying reason why they are here.”
None of the sex-trade workers in Edmonton contacted as part of the investigation was underage, although police elsewhere found minors had been threatened with violence, extortion and drug dependency, among other forms of coercion. The youngest, a 12-year-old girl, was taken into protective custody in Winnipeg.
More than 300 women were interviewed by police from 26 departments nationwide, with nine arrests and 33 charges laid, including forcible confinement, making and distributing child pornography, assault and trafficking in persons.
Launched in January, the operation focused on hotels and motels along thoroughfares in 30 cities and towns, Edmonton and Calgary included. A two-day hotel sting was carried out in Edmonton on Oct. 1-2.
“These are somebody’s daughters and family members who are coming here to engage in a dangerous business,” Schening said. “As a father and a grandfather, there is nothing I would like less than to find them as a victim at a crime scene.”
Schening said detectives tried to leave the sex-trade workers with the understanding that they could reach out to police any time they needed help.
“I think they are making a circuit, going from city to city,” he said. “They was no shortage of women responding to our calls.”
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John Grisham says some sentences for child porn offences are too tough
John Grisham says some sentences for child porn offences are too tough
What's your take Hmmmmmm
Perhaps John Grisham has read too many of his own thrillers, an activity known to promote mush-brain.
In a an interview with The Telegraph , the bestselling author expresses the opinion that there are too many people incarcerated in the U.S., including "Sixty-year-old white men in prison who've never harmed anybody, would never touch a child," except that "they got online one night and started surfing around, probably had too much to drink or whatever, and pushed the wrong buttons, went too far and got into child porn."
Yes, the old "I was drunk" defence. Because we know that a person's proclivities changes completely when they drink. All it takes for one of those white, male pillars of society to want to look at naked children are two glasses of a medium-prized red. Do go on Mr. Grisham. Tell us about your "good buddy from law school."
"His drinking was out of control, and he went to a website. It was labelled 'sixteen year old wannabee hookers or something like that'. And it said '16-year-old girls'. So he went there. Downloaded some stuff - it was 16-year-old girls who looked 30.
"He shouldn't have done it. It was stupid, but it wasn't 10-year-old boys. He didn't touch anything. And God, a week later there was a knock on the door: ‘FBI!’ and it was sting set up by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to catch people - sex offenders - and he went to prison for three years."
It's all Canada's fault. Our insistance on minimizing the victimization of 16-year-old girls who are, apparently, not as valuable as 10-year-old boys. I wonder where on the scale of inherent value 13-year-old girls fall? Probably still quite a lot below 60-year-old white men.
What else do you have Mr. Grisham?
"There's so many of them now. There's so many 'sex offenders' - that's what they're called - that they put them in the same prison. Like they're a bunch of perverts, or something; thousands of ’em. We've gone nuts with this incarceration."
No, not "or something."
Is there more? There must be more, because we haven't yet heard about the difference between your good buddies and the real offenders so ...
"I have no sympathy for real pedophiles. God, please lock those people up. But so many of these guys do not deserve harsh prison sentences, and that's what they're getting."
Yes, there it is. Apparently the manufacturing of those images that innocent drunken men look at when they accidentally stumble upon one of those sites and accidentally sign up and accidentally log on, does not harm anyone. No one is ever coerced or made to do anything against their will. Good to know.
John Grisham says some sentences for child porn offences are too tough
What's your take Hmmmmmm
Perhaps John Grisham has read too many of his own thrillers, an activity known to promote mush-brain.
In a an interview with The Telegraph , the bestselling author expresses the opinion that there are too many people incarcerated in the U.S., including "Sixty-year-old white men in prison who've never harmed anybody, would never touch a child," except that "they got online one night and started surfing around, probably had too much to drink or whatever, and pushed the wrong buttons, went too far and got into child porn."
Yes, the old "I was drunk" defence. Because we know that a person's proclivities changes completely when they drink. All it takes for one of those white, male pillars of society to want to look at naked children are two glasses of a medium-prized red. Do go on Mr. Grisham. Tell us about your "good buddy from law school."
"His drinking was out of control, and he went to a website. It was labelled 'sixteen year old wannabee hookers or something like that'. And it said '16-year-old girls'. So he went there. Downloaded some stuff - it was 16-year-old girls who looked 30.
"He shouldn't have done it. It was stupid, but it wasn't 10-year-old boys. He didn't touch anything. And God, a week later there was a knock on the door: ‘FBI!’ and it was sting set up by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to catch people - sex offenders - and he went to prison for three years."
It's all Canada's fault. Our insistance on minimizing the victimization of 16-year-old girls who are, apparently, not as valuable as 10-year-old boys. I wonder where on the scale of inherent value 13-year-old girls fall? Probably still quite a lot below 60-year-old white men.
What else do you have Mr. Grisham?
"There's so many of them now. There's so many 'sex offenders' - that's what they're called - that they put them in the same prison. Like they're a bunch of perverts, or something; thousands of ’em. We've gone nuts with this incarceration."
No, not "or something."
Is there more? There must be more, because we haven't yet heard about the difference between your good buddies and the real offenders so ...
"I have no sympathy for real pedophiles. God, please lock those people up. But so many of these guys do not deserve harsh prison sentences, and that's what they're getting."
Yes, there it is. Apparently the manufacturing of those images that innocent drunken men look at when they accidentally stumble upon one of those sites and accidentally sign up and accidentally log on, does not harm anyone. No one is ever coerced or made to do anything against their will. Good to know.
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Well I've just lost all respect for John Grisham. I don't care how drunk you are, it's no excuse.
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The comments quoted are out of context from what I read on many sites. What he said was paedophiles should be treated very badly, but those who were accidentally exposed to kiddie porn through random encounters on web sites like Reddit, etc, should not be treated so harshly.
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Here's his apology and explanation: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29654291
"Mr Grisham told the newspaper a "good buddy" of his had been imprisoned for three years for viewing child pornography on a website labelled "sixteen-year-old wannabe hookers" when his drinking was out of control.
"We have prisons now filled with guys my age. Sixty-year-old white men in prison who've never harmed anybody, would never touch a child," he told the Telegraph. "But they got online one night and started surfing around, probably had too much to drink or whatever, and pushed the wrong buttons, went too far and got into child porn."
"I have no sympathy for real paedophiles. God, please lock those people up. But so many of these guys do not deserve harsh prison sentences, and that's what they're getting."
"Mr Grisham's comments send a dangerous message that 'just looking' at images online causes no harm," Jon Brown from the children's charity NSPCC told BBC News online."
"Mr Grisham told the newspaper a "good buddy" of his had been imprisoned for three years for viewing child pornography on a website labelled "sixteen-year-old wannabe hookers" when his drinking was out of control.
"We have prisons now filled with guys my age. Sixty-year-old white men in prison who've never harmed anybody, would never touch a child," he told the Telegraph. "But they got online one night and started surfing around, probably had too much to drink or whatever, and pushed the wrong buttons, went too far and got into child porn."
"I have no sympathy for real paedophiles. God, please lock those people up. But so many of these guys do not deserve harsh prison sentences, and that's what they're getting."
"Mr Grisham's comments send a dangerous message that 'just looking' at images online causes no harm," Jon Brown from the children's charity NSPCC told BBC News online."
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I've surfed a lot of web sites over the last 20 years. I'm sure in all those photos I've seen girls under 18, although I have never sought that out specifically. Should I go to jail for encountering such a photo or video when looking for something else? I think not...
Sometimes the law is taken too literally, or enforced too strongly, without considering the circumstances.
Sometimes the law is taken too literally, or enforced too strongly, without considering the circumstances.
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oldguyzer said:
The problem is that it is hard to establish intent.
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