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Please... Don't get me started on his "Goreness"... :grrrrrr: :grrrrrr: :grrrrrr: :grrrrrr:
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OH we're back to this? lol...I thought we moved past it?
I will say this then STFU:
Anyone who doesn't think we're fucking up the planet is delusional. EOS.
Here's a perfect example:
Home Depot wanted to build a store down where tent city used to be around cherry street. They took soil samples and had them tested.
Know why they couldn't build? There was an estimated 100,000 metric tons of contaminated soil that would have to be "cleaned" before they could build. Now they weren't putting in a park, they weren't putting in a daycare, they were going to PAVE the whole fricken thing.
How did those toxins get there? Osmosis? Immaculate pollution? Too many ducks pooping?
If there is one small tract of land that is too polluted to PAVE how many millions are there too polluted to live on?
I will say this then STFU:
Anyone who doesn't think we're fucking up the planet is delusional. EOS.
Here's a perfect example:
Home Depot wanted to build a store down where tent city used to be around cherry street. They took soil samples and had them tested.
Know why they couldn't build? There was an estimated 100,000 metric tons of contaminated soil that would have to be "cleaned" before they could build. Now they weren't putting in a park, they weren't putting in a daycare, they were going to PAVE the whole fricken thing.
How did those toxins get there? Osmosis? Immaculate pollution? Too many ducks pooping?
If there is one small tract of land that is too polluted to PAVE how many millions are there too polluted to live on?
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This is a shot of lakeshore drive in Chicago....lol...least when we had cars stranded it was out in the middle of nowhere, NOT downtown lol
(but doesn't that look just like a shot from one of those "end of the world" disaster movies? lol)
(but doesn't that look just like a shot from one of those "end of the world" disaster movies? lol)
I'm not saying there isnt pollution going on tboy, but surely even you know the difference between CO2's and illegal toxic dumping, dont you??tboy said:
You're getting way off-topic now, illegal dumping of toxic waste has absolutely nothing to do with global warming
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Actually, it wasn't caused by illegal anything. It was the toxins leaching into the soil from the industries that used the land for the past 100 yrs.
For eg: at the new(ish) studio city on eastern avenue. I was driving home from work one day when they were tearing down the old tannery building. I saw on top of the pile some beautiful 30' long wooden beams, had to be 24" high x 12" deep. I went to the shop across the street to grab a bunch of guys to salvage (aka steal) them. The boss already called about them and the demo company told him that they were so full of toxins that anyone handling them had to wear a special protective suit. All the stuff was soaked in it. (they used some pretty nasty chemicals during the tanning process).
Same as when they tore down the gardiner extension. There was talk that the old concrete was full of asbestos.
If that's the case in these small places, imagine what is under the big chemical plants? ie: Dow chemical etc?
You're stuck on CO2, but I'm talking about fucking up our environment in general. Anyone who drives a car, rides a bus, flies, takes the train is kidding themselves if they think they're not polluting the air we breathe, the ground we walk on and the water we drink......(there was a study done a few years ago and they discovered that per person, a train is the most wasteful, a plane second, and the private owned car is the least, next to a motorcycle of course).
Oh and another eyeopener? Everyone thinks public transit is SO enviro friendly. Well, they too are mistaken. Think about it: when a bus, streetcar, subway is FULLY loaded, yes, they are efficient but how often does that happen? How many millions of miles are driven when the vehicle is empty or almost empty? Then couple in moving the vehicle to the specific route etc and the numbers just get even worse.
The saying goes: the most energy efficient trip is the one not taken. Hence why I delay trips into town until I have about 20 things to do. Then I try and get them all done at the same place.....For eg: instead of going to my bank and taking money out, when I'm buying materials at Homo Depot, I'll get cash back instead. Same as deposits. If I have one? Unless I positively absolutely have to have access to the money, I'll delay until I have other banking to do.
For eg: at the new(ish) studio city on eastern avenue. I was driving home from work one day when they were tearing down the old tannery building. I saw on top of the pile some beautiful 30' long wooden beams, had to be 24" high x 12" deep. I went to the shop across the street to grab a bunch of guys to salvage (aka steal) them. The boss already called about them and the demo company told him that they were so full of toxins that anyone handling them had to wear a special protective suit. All the stuff was soaked in it. (they used some pretty nasty chemicals during the tanning process).
Same as when they tore down the gardiner extension. There was talk that the old concrete was full of asbestos.
If that's the case in these small places, imagine what is under the big chemical plants? ie: Dow chemical etc?
You're stuck on CO2, but I'm talking about fucking up our environment in general. Anyone who drives a car, rides a bus, flies, takes the train is kidding themselves if they think they're not polluting the air we breathe, the ground we walk on and the water we drink......(there was a study done a few years ago and they discovered that per person, a train is the most wasteful, a plane second, and the private owned car is the least, next to a motorcycle of course).
Oh and another eyeopener? Everyone thinks public transit is SO enviro friendly. Well, they too are mistaken. Think about it: when a bus, streetcar, subway is FULLY loaded, yes, they are efficient but how often does that happen? How many millions of miles are driven when the vehicle is empty or almost empty? Then couple in moving the vehicle to the specific route etc and the numbers just get even worse.
The saying goes: the most energy efficient trip is the one not taken. Hence why I delay trips into town until I have about 20 things to do. Then I try and get them all done at the same place.....For eg: instead of going to my bank and taking money out, when I'm buying materials at Homo Depot, I'll get cash back instead. Same as deposits. If I have one? Unless I positively absolutely have to have access to the money, I'll delay until I have other banking to do.
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'Al Gore now claims severe snowstorms are all part of the global warming process. Only problem is he forgot to include that in his move 'Inconvenient Truth'. He conveniently added that theory later"
Actually when I discussed the topic of "Global Warming" when it first hit the news with a climatology professor he actually said that part of the issue was that extremes would become more extreme. So when its cold it will be colder and when its hot it will be hotter.
I still declare bullshit on it though.
Actually when I discussed the topic of "Global Warming" when it first hit the news with a climatology professor he actually said that part of the issue was that extremes would become more extreme. So when its cold it will be colder and when its hot it will be hotter.
I still declare bullshit on it though.
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I am well acquainted with the weather patterns in the Niagara Region as well as all the fruit growing areas in Ontario. If you look at for example Prince Edward County they used to have a "healthy" tenderfruit industry that died about 50 years ago. The temperatures that they had were cold enough to KILL TREES while those types of temps haven't been seen in the last 30 years.
Talking to old guys who used to go outside in the middle of the night to take a piss is often a good source of information.
Talking to old guys who used to go outside in the middle of the night to take a piss is often a good source of information.
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tboy said:
No what I am saying is that we are experiencing the same extremes of temperature as they used to 50 to 60 years ago. within the last 3 weeks "the County" had -36C.
Thats really really fucking cold. But no worse than what they have historically gotten.
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But -36 isn't cold enough to, as you said it, "kill trees".....and dude, -36, that isn't cold. 10 yrs ago when I was framing in Orangeville we set a temp of -35 as our cut off point where we wouldn't work....we didn't work about 21 - 28 days throughout the winter.....Hell, I went skiing once at Blue Mountain and it was -38 without the windchill.....-45 WITH the windchill......and that was 20 yrs ago.
So once again, it hasn't been cold enough to kill trees, like 50 yrs ago, but you don't believe the weather patterns have changed....ok, as long as that is what you are saying.......
(but, considering the earth is about 4.5 billion years old, 50 yrs is but a nanosecond in the whole time frame)
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Nope, it's not getting warmer, nope, not at all, no way.....(sticks his head back in the sand)
Let me ask you something else:
Do you also "not believe" in pollution either?
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tboy said:But -36 isn't cold enough to, as you said it, "kill trees".....and dude, -36, that isn't cold. 10 yrs ago when I was framing in Orangeville we set a temp of -35 as our cut off point where we wouldn't work....we didn't work about 21 - 28 days throughout the winter.....Hell, I went skiing once at Blue Mountain and it was -38 without the windchill.....-45 WITH the windchill......and that was 20 yrs ago.
So once again, it hasn't been cold enough to kill trees, like 50 yrs ago, but you don't believe the weather patterns have changed....ok, as long as that is what you are saying.......
(but, considering the earth is about 4.5 billion years old, 50 yrs is but a nanosecond in the whole time frame)
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Nope, it's not getting warmer, nope, not at all, no way.....(sticks his head back in the sand)
Let me ask you something else:
Do you also "not believe" in pollution either?
I hate to say this but that chart means nothing.
Unless you provide the way the data was gathered and each year it was gathered by the same instrumentation year and and year out. The chart means nothings and the study is flawed.
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Well, that is impossible to do since the technology today wasn't available back when they first started recording weather data.
Just so you know, NO one really is questioning whether global warming is happening or not (only those with their heads in the sand), the question is whether we are causing it or is it a natural event.
But hey, no worries eh? Let's all go outside and start our cars and trucks and let them run forever....let's stop policing industry to prevent them from dumping toxins into our drinking water...let keep "cracking" the water table to get natural gas......let's keep hunting and fishing resources to extinction.......
Didn't you know? that brown haze over toronto is a naturally occuring event therefore we shouldn't be concerned about it......:kiss:
Just so you know, NO one really is questioning whether global warming is happening or not (only those with their heads in the sand), the question is whether we are causing it or is it a natural event.
But hey, no worries eh? Let's all go outside and start our cars and trucks and let them run forever....let's stop policing industry to prevent them from dumping toxins into our drinking water...let keep "cracking" the water table to get natural gas......let's keep hunting and fishing resources to extinction.......
Didn't you know? that brown haze over toronto is a naturally occuring event therefore we shouldn't be concerned about it......:kiss:
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tboy said:
Now that is the rub.
you are presenting what you wish me to believe is factual data with out being able to provide the facts. But you do admit the conditions of the test constantly change, yet you want to have people believe the testing is done as a constant.
Junk science.
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Actually no, the conditions of the test do not change constantly, they became more accurate as time progresses.
Since we're talking millions of pieces of data over a long period of time, a small discrepancy isn't that important. For eg: you collect temperature data on your front porch every day for a year. If on one of those days you misread the temp by 1/2 deg, it isn't going to skew the yearly average by any significant amount.
You can dispute all you want, one thing most scientists agree on is that the earth IS getting warmer. The only thing in dispute is whether we are contributing to it or not.
I guess you also don't believe that man actually went to the moon since the science and technology they used back in the 60's isn't as good as it is today?
I bet you also don't believe that there was an ice age since we have no photographic proof that it actually occured?
Here's where the chart came from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
BTW: now you can go back to sticking your head in the sand.......
Since we're talking millions of pieces of data over a long period of time, a small discrepancy isn't that important. For eg: you collect temperature data on your front porch every day for a year. If on one of those days you misread the temp by 1/2 deg, it isn't going to skew the yearly average by any significant amount.
You can dispute all you want, one thing most scientists agree on is that the earth IS getting warmer. The only thing in dispute is whether we are contributing to it or not.
I guess you also don't believe that man actually went to the moon since the science and technology they used back in the 60's isn't as good as it is today?
I bet you also don't believe that there was an ice age since we have no photographic proof that it actually occured?
Here's where the chart came from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
BTW: now you can go back to sticking your head in the sand.......
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tboy said:
And you just told us why the graph is not accurate.
To accept it as fact you would need to only use the same thermometer used 100 plus years ago. That or acknowledge that numbers gathered from year to year vary due to changes in metering methods and locations.
All you have in that graph is AL GORE junk science.
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