toronto bans shark fin soup

[tboy]

Yay toronto, taking the first step in the global banning of this BS.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/shark-fin-ban-back-toronto-council-154511840.html

 

[a 1 player]

Complete bullshit!

 

[PEPE]

Complete bullshit!

What he said.

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

Complete bullshit!

Bullshit why?

 

[tboy]

Bullshit why?

that's what I'd like to know......

If he's against the ban, then he really doesn't know anything about this issue.

Shark fin has ZERO nutritional value (since it is almost all cartiledge) and no taste. Hence why they have to put other ingredients into the soup just to add SOME flavour.
The sharks are caught, the fins cut off and then dumped back in the ocean still alive. IMO this is like taking a cow in a field, cutting off its hooves, then leaving it to bleed out.

 

[a 1 player]

that's what I'd like to know......

If he's against the ban, then he really doesn't know anything about this issue.

Shark fin has ZERO nutritional value (since it is almost all cartiledge) and no taste. Hence why they have to put other ingredients into the soup just to add SOME flavour.
The sharks are caught, the fins cut off and then dumped back in the ocean still alive. IMO this is like taking a cow in a field, cutting off its hooves, then leaving it to bleed out.

The reason I'm against it is because the banning focuses on the symptom and not the cause. As of yesterday shark steaks were still available in the markets and the finer seafood dining establishments in the city, yet we can still eat the rest of the fish? Fur from (non-edible) animals is still available in furriers, and it is still possible to purchase old goods made with ivory.

If one wants to stop the mistreatment of animals one must focus on the cause of the problem, (the fisheries), not on a group (The restaurants), where possibly the rest of the meat of the shark was consumed.

 

[BIGone]

In a different matter. Did you guys know that Pusateri was shut down.

Imagine all the rich folks that thought they were getting the best of the best. Shame on them.

https://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111023/111023_Pusateris/20111024/?hub=CP24Home

 

[Auggie]

I don't see why they can't go after the symptom as well as the cause, like we should also do with cancer.

I hope it becomes banned everywhere and they continue to pursue those who hunt sharks.

 

[a 1 player]

To play devils advocate here...

So you are saying a non-endangered species should be banned from fishing because people use the fin even though there is a possibility, (and in many cases a probability) that the rest of the fish will be consumed?

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

Okay lets make it simple shall we.

If the Shark is being used in its entirety then I don't see a problem.

But if they are just cutting off the fin and throwing them back still alive then that my friends doesn't sit well with me.

 

[Auggie]

To play devils advocate here...

So you are saying a non-endangered species should be banned from fishing because people use the fin even though there is a possibility, (and in many cases a probability) that the rest of the fish will be consumed?

They are endangered, but if we really need to play "what if they weren't" then it's immoral to kill for just the fin.

 

[a 1 player]

Okay lets make it simple shall we.

If the Shark is being used in its entirety then I don't see a problem.

But if they are just cutting off the fin and throwing them back still alive then that my friends doesn't sit well with me.

I agree entirely!

My issue is that at the consumer level we have no way of knowing if this is indeed the case, and as such efforts should be focused on the fisheries to promote good fishing practices instead of banning something which may or may not be happening at the street level. Changing something at the end of the line is futile, changes must be made at the source.

 

[a 1 player]

They are endangered, but if we really need to play "what if they weren't" then it's immoral to kill for just the fin.

I agree with this as well, except that I just did a quick search and very few sharks are officially on the 'endangered species' list. But is it also not immoral to kill something to stuff it and put it on a wall? I think it is. Again, my issue is with the fishing practice, not with the consumer use of said product.

 

[Dan]

A1 does make a good point. If they are using the entire fish and it's not endangered it's fishing plain and simple. I have purchased and enjoyed shark steak on many occasion which I am sure had the fin removed, but as MB stated if they remove the fin and throw the shark back in they should be shot and pissed on for it.

 

[Auggie]

But is it also not immoral to kill something to stuff it and put it on a wall? I think it is.

I agree.

 

[Bubba]

But if they are just cutting off the fin and throwing them back still alive then that my friends doesn't sit well with me.

Yes they are....Fuckers.

 

[tboy]

A1 does make a good point. If they are using the entire fish and it's not endangered it's fishing plain and simple. I have purchased and enjoyed shark steak on many occasion which I am sure had the fin removed, but as MB stated if they remove the fin and throw the shark back in they should be shot and pissed on for it.

Well, it is my understanding that when a shark is caught for meat, they use the entire animal but the demand for shark fin far exceeds the demand for fillets/steaks etc. Plus the cost to precess the entire shark is 100x what it is just for the fins. With fins, they just leave them in the sun to dry for a day or two then they're ready to be marketed. To process an entire shark you need to gut them, cut them up professionally, and keep them cold while out on the water. Since shark fin is just cartiledge, there's nothing really to rot so refrigeration isn't needed. (proof that there's really nothing nutritious about them).

WHile Player has a point about stopping the consumption won't do anything in the supply chain on a big scale, it is a start. If every city in Canada and the US did this, the demand would drop dramatically.

See, I'm of the mind that: if a patrol catches a boat anywhere on any ocean shark finning, then the boat and it's crew should be destroyed. Eventually they'll get the idea that they shouldn't be practicing this barbarism.

As for "trophy" hunting, I'm against that too. If I had my way the only way one should be allowed to trophy hunt is with a knife.

We might as well touch on the seal hunt while we're at it. It is my opinion that a patrol should be set up on the ice fields. Anyone caught clubbing a baby seal to death should be shot on site. This BS about them "just trying to feed their family" is complete horseshit....the end does NOT justify the means.....