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Why the wealthy stopped smoking, but the poor didn't

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Knock yourselves out and try to come up with a logistical explanation why this is the case.
 
Smoking is an addiction, and we all know that addictions aren't stopped simply because a person is poor. Why the poor appear to be more afflicted, imo is a redundant question.
 
cristycurves said:
Smoking is an addiction, and we all know that addictions aren't stopped simply because a person is poor. Why the poor appear to be more afflicted, imo is a redundant question.

The only reason I can think of is education. The poor not always but usually are less educated and tend to rebel a little more.
 
I see this all around me as well and though it doesn't make sense, I can only conclude that in general the poor have less willpower to quit.

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I would love to see the same stat analysis with drinking, gambling, shopping and sex addictions. Would be interesting.

I think differences could be a combination of the things people have said. Feeling they have more to lose, combined with education, better health care options for helping to quit, have other vices that help them escape, living/working environment and location opportunities to smoke, social conformity, etc.
 
Jessica Rain said:
I would love to see the same stat analysis with drinking, gambling, shopping and sex addictions. Would be interesting.

I think differences could be a combination of the things people have said. Feeling they have more to lose, combined with education, better health care options for helping to quit, have other vices that help them escape, living/working environment and location opportunities to smoke, social conformity, etc.

I was going to reply but those mountains of yours freezes me.
 
Probably a number of reasons including higher level of education about the medical aspects of smoking, and better access to medical advice especially in the US where the wealthy have much better access to health care. Related to that is the cost of NRT and other quit therapies that can help people quit. In Ontario Canada there are free programs to help people quit, but in the US, not so much. Also poverty is very stressful and smoking and other drugs helps people cope with stress. The costs of smoking also might be an issue... because smokers waste money on tobacco, they are limited in their ability to spend money towards improving their income status whether by investments or education.
 
Jessica Rain said:
I would love to see the same stat analysis with drinking, gambling, shopping and sex addictions. Would be interesting.

I think differences could be a combination of the things people have said. Feeling they have more to lose, combined with education, better health care options for helping to quit, have other vices that help them escape, living/working environment and location opportunities to smoke, social conformity, etc.

all of which is available in the research literature -- go to google scholar and do a search for poverty and alcoholism... they are correlated... gambling is a bit complicated because you need money to gamble so it peaks in the middle class

sex addiction... hum... not sure
 
Prick said:
I was going to reply but those mountains of yours freezes me.
You should try climbing them. LOL


nntsci said:
all of which is available in the research literature -- go to google scholar and do a search for poverty and alcoholism... they are correlated... gambling is a bit complicated because you need money to gamble so it peaks in the middle class


sex addiction... hum... not sure

I will take a look. Thanks.
 
Jessica Rain said:
I would love to see the same stat analysis with drinking, gambling, shopping and sex addictions. Would be interesting.

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I've never believed in sex addiction. Humans like sex, some have a stronger sex drive than others but addiction when it comes to sex is just a term to create work for therapists.
 
Madman said:
I've never believed in sex addiction. Humans like sex, some have a stronger sex drive than others but addiction when it comes to sex is just a term to create work for therapists.

I get what you are saying, many feel the same. I have met a "sex addict" and it is really not about a stronger sex drive. It is about a lack of control over one's sexual behaviour among other things as well. That is a generalization of it of course, but I do believe it to be very real based on what I saw with my friend. There are many classifications as well like sexual dependency not just hyersexuality[FONT=arial, sans-serif].
 
Madman said:
I've never believed in sex addiction. Humans like sex, some have a stronger sex drive than others but addiction when it comes to sex is just a term to create work for therapists.

Addiction is a learned maladaptive coping strategy involving excessive engagement in some behavior (e.g., gambling, drug, drinking, video games)... theoretically you can be addicted to anything that provides you with pleasure (positive reinforcement) and relief of pain (negative reinforcement), but most people don't become addicted. Sex addiction is not well defined and not a unitary thing, there are at least 6 different types of clients that therapists see... probably the best understood is excessive masturbating to porn (to the point where the man is unable to engage in actual sex because of it, much to the annoyance of his significant other, and even to the point where he is in pain because of it). Not clear if that is an addiction or a compulsion. Its not a make work program for therapist, these clients have real issues... but beyond that, its difficult to set a criteria on what constitutes "excessive"... I'm sure my wife would call my current habit excessive... if she found out about it... but its still far less than I'd like.
 
Jessica, I want to climb them. PM me with your availability next week.
 
Sex addiction, huh? I wonder if it's possible to be classified as being simultaneously both a narcissist AND a sex addict? Hmmmmmm or are these two things considered mutually exclusive?
 
demien3k5 said:
Sex addiction, huh? I wonder if it's possible to be classified as being simultaneously both a narcissist AND a sex addict? Hmmmmmm or are these two things considered mutually exclusive?

probably correlated
 
cristycurves said:

Cristy, it's a given that humans have longer lifespans today than they did in recent history. This is very good news for wealthy and healthy people at or near retirement age now, (ie: "Baby Boomers"), but not so great for everyone else. The reason for this is deficit spending by governments, and the actuarial mathematics used to fund defined benefit retirement pensions.

All defined benefit pension funds, (ie: where the amount of the pension is specified, and the cost to provide that benefit is variable), are essentially 'pyramid schemes', with older people at the top, and younger people at the bottom. I'll use the Canada Pension Plan, (CPP), as an example.

Canada Pension Plan - Wikipedia

CPP was introduced by Prime Minister Lester B Pearson in 1965. Employed people contribute a percentage of their taxable income* to the CPP, as does their employer. Self employed people are obliged to make both the employer and employee contribution.

*Contributions are limited to a maximum amount, as are benefits. This figure is called the Yearly Maximum Pensionable Earnings, (YMPE), which tends to increase annually.

Refer to this chart for historical changes to the YMPE, maximum benefits, and contribution rates.

Canada Pension Plan rate table

The YMPE for 2017 is $55,300. This means that any person in Canada with annual taxable employment earnings of $55,300 or less will be obliged to pay CPP contributions on 100% of their taxable income, but anyone earning more than that only pays CPP on the first $55,300, and nothing on the remainder of their taxable income. Maximum deduction amounts also apply to things like Employment Insurance, (EI), where all employees are required to contribute, but not all would be eligible to receive benefits. Generally, unionized employees who may be subject to seasonal layoffs and recall benefit from EI, at the expense of salaried employees, who voluntarily terminate their employment, or receive severance benefits.

People with high incomes can 'top up' their government pensions with private pension plans sponsored by their employer, and with personal pension plans. There are limits to the amounts of contributions that are 'tax deductible', But no limit to what can be contributed in 'after tax' money, called 'unregistered'.

If someone has a lot of pension income at retirement age, and a longer life expectancy, this is good news for them, as they will be well paid, without having to do any more work, just like the Canadian Senate. This is bad news for anyone funding their retirement, (governments, insurance companies, the Boomers' Millennial children, deferring adulthood while waiting for an inheritance, and any younger people currently in the work force), who are paying for the current benefits, while hoping that there will still be something left in the cookie jar by the time THEY retire.

With government deficit spending, older individuals generally receive more than their 'fare share', and younger people pay more and get less, more often than not. With every additional year of life expectancy for someone beyond retirement age, someone else has to foot the bill.
 
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