A bito Love Thread

[Louis XIV]

Been through this with some legal eagles. Fonts are copyright, and almost all except those in the public domain require a license to use commercially. Many require you to buy the right to use the font. So, when BITI downloads fonts from the Darknet, he is stealing from font designers and publishers. He claims to make a living doing this, so how does TheIdiot rationalize stealing from others when he doesn't want that to happen to himself? Same logic as stealing videos, which he freely posts he does all the time. To quote a police friend: "A thief is a thief..."

I was asking BOB!

You shall now be SHUNNED for being too smart for your own good, OG! :rofl!:

 

[oldguyzer]

I was asking BOB!

You shall now be SHUNNED for being too smart for your own good, OG! :rofl!:

Put me on your Ignore list. Then you can read every post I make, just like Bobby does :biggrin2:

 

[Louis XIV]

Put me on your Ignore list. Then you can read every post I make, just like Bobby does :biggrin2:

Awww. Who am I kidding!? I can't stay mad at you! Come here ya' wrinkly old bastard so I can give you a hug! (no homo)

 

[bobistheowl]

So let's say I like a font bito, is it possible to download the font and use it in Word??

You need to install the font in your operating system to do that, HOOKED. Most fonts come in a .zip or a .rar archive, so you'd have to extract them from the archive first. Some fonts cab be installed on cell phones, but I don't know how to do that. Once installed, you can use the font in MS Word, Notepad, Excel, Powerpoint, any Adobe or Corel app that uses fonts, etc.

With Windows XP, you could use a font in MS Word or Notepad, without installing it, as long as the file was open, but that feature was eliminated, beginning with Vista. Similar things can be done on a MAC, or with a Linux, Unix, or other operating system. Some fonts work properly with Windows PCs, but not a MAC. That's usually caused by mistakes made by a guy using a Windows computer, who didn't have his fonts tested on a MAC before releasing them.

 

[bobistheowl]

I would think so or what's the use of creating fonts.

Is it possible to use images of nude women to create fonts??

Absolutely, chunky. Fonts made of pictures instead of alphabet letters are called dingbat fonts. Most of the fonts I make are dingbats. They're vector clipart, that you can add to documents, exactly the same way you would add text.

Here's a collection of fonts like that, that can all be downloaded for free:

https://www.dafont.com/theme.php?cat=718

there are a lot of other ones, not available on that site.

All of those fonts are free to use personally, but some have a fee for commercial use. I made the one called Beauty Marks, which has been the most popular one for about 2½ years, since it came out, other than for a few days here and there, when there was a brand new one. There are download links on the right side of the browser window, and the terms of use are described. If you click the banner, you go to a details page, and you can download from there, as well, or you can enter a custom text display. I recently passed 200,000 downloads on Beauty Marks, and still get 1,000 + a week. I just made those for fun, to give other people some tools for their own graphic design work. People who want to use Beauty Marks just need to give me an image link of how they plan to use it. There's no approval involved, I'm just curious to know how other people use my work to create theirs.

I'm not a graphic designer. I only make fonts, and I collect them, but I don't use them much for constructive purposes.

To me, making fonts is a hobby. It doesn't cost me anything to do, I can do it as often, or as infrequently as I want to, and I can do it any time of the day or night. I do it by manipulating a curved solid object with my right hand. Lots of guys have a hobby that meets all of those same conditions, but it isn't making fonts!

Most hobbies cost money to do them. This one doesn't. I have severe insomnia, and if I'm not writing on a message board or watching a movie between midnight and dawn, I'm often making a font. It keeps my mind active. When people stop creating new things, they tend to get old quickly. Most of the fans of my font work are women and teenagers.

 

[bobistheowl]

I used Lobster as one of the fonts on my site as well. But then I got bored of it and changed most of my title fonts to Marck script and body fonts to Reklame script. I don't know when I will get bored of those too haha but I don't have too many options with wix fonts.

I like Funkydori, bito, thanks.

You might want to try something by Måns Grebäck

https://www.dafont.com/mans-greback.d2878

or Maelle K.

https://www.dafont.com/maelle-keita.d4469

Måns is a 24 year old guy from Sweden. I think the full versions of all of his fonts cost $59 each for commercial use at MyFonts.com. He tends to have technical errors that appear when someone uses them on a MAC. I don't know if the commercial versions have those same errors. I've talked to him a couple of times.

I know Maelle better than I know Måns. Maelle made a font of Owl images:

https://www.dafont.com/chouette-alors.font

but not for me! I have no idea what the fee is for using one of Maelle's fonts, but that information would be included in the .zip file.

Måns andMaelle make fonts very differently, and more quickly, than I do. They mainly draw alphabets with Adobe Illustrator, and import them into a font editor. I make miniature clipart with MS Paint, and import the images in monochrome bitmaps, then edit the rough vector shapes, like turning a block of marble into a statue. I can't do what they do, but they don't have the time or patience to do what I do. There's room for both approaches to getting the job done. My latest work will impress both of them.

You might also find something you like by Dieter Steffmann:

https://www.moorstation.org/typoasis/designers/steffmann/

His home page is mostly in German, but there's a visitor message area at the bottom, with posts in several languages. As far as I can tell, the only condition for commercial use of his fonts is that you ask him politely in a visitor message. I think he approves all use, to anyone willing to do that.

There's a fellow that made thousands of fonts, all after he retired, named Manfred Klein. For years, he'd post 15-20 new fonts every Sunday morning. He retired in 2008; his wife was ill, and I think he had early stage Alzheimer's Disease, and he's had no Internet presence in almost six years. I exchanged e-mails with him once, in early 2008. His English was poor, and sounded a lot like Yoda.

Some years later, I saw that e-mail again, when looking through the back pages of my inbox, and I noticed he had attached a couple of fonts, that he was working on at the time. He disappeared from the Internet a few days later, without responding to my follow up e-mail, but those fonts were never posted anywhere. I received his last known work. They weren't his best work, but they are special to me, because as far as I know, he gave them to me, and shared them with no one else.

 

[bobistheowl]

Bob, hard for me to believe there is a profitable market for fonts considering the abundance of that type of product already. Why would corporations seek out more than what is currently available? Is it simply like having the newest Hummer, making a statement.Hmmmmmm

Captaincrunch, try printing this .pdf document of my new font:



The monitor display does not do it justice.

No other font has that kind of fine details at small type sizes, and the letters literally 'pop out' of the page.

Some large companies are going to want to use THIS font, and not another one, particularly if they want the detailed small text size. They might want it for bottles of expensive wine, or titles on a hard cover book. If they do want it, they'll pay my price, or I'll deny them commercial use. The price will be high, because I don't want it to be overused, so people get sick of seeing it everywhere. A big company doesn't want that, either. They'll pay my price, or someone else will.

This is my only font with a commercial use license. I won't earn enough to retire from making it, but I will earn enough to do a lot of partying.

It will be released soon. The font is complete, I just haven't finished writing the documentation. I've been too busy writing on message boards to wrap up the remaining bit of work, maybe one day, uninterrupted.

I also have an elaborate advertising .gif planned, that I might turn into a video for YouTube, if I can do that with my .gif animator. If I can't, I'll find someone who can do that for me. Thant should take me a couple of weeks, after the 'semi official' release.

 

[oldguyzer]

This is my only font with a commercial use license. I won't earn enough to retire from making it, but I will earn enough to do a lot of partying.

So you won't want people stealing your font, will you BITI? So why do you steal other people's fonts when they are covered by commercial licenses?

 

[bobistheowl]

So here's a question maybe bob can help us with. If fonts are licensed for commercial use, how is the regulation and enforcement of copyright/patent infringement handled? in other words, is there a secret society of 'Font Police' out there somewhere ensuring the rules are obeyed and the laws respected? Serious question. One of my daughters works in marketing, I'll ask her as well.

Louis XIV, I don't use any fonts for commercial purposes. I don't do any graphic design work, other than making fonts. I have hundreds of thousands of commercial fonts, most in unopened zip files. Some of them I open with a font editor, to study the vector construction. Others I install, and type them in MS Word, to see what they look like. I don't even own a printer.

It's technically illegal for me to possess those commercial fonts, but I couldn't be prosecuted for having them on my computer. I don't have to prove that I didn't acquire them legally. If I planned to use any of the fonts I have for commercial use, I'd buy the license to do so, but I have no plans to ever do that. Physically possessing a commercial use font that wasn't purchased can't be prosecuted, in the same way that you can't be arrested for saying that you purchase sex. Using a commercial font for commercial use without having a purchased license is a prosecutable crime, but I don't do that.

There is a "font police". Certain foundries and individual designers go to great lengths to remove download links to their fonts from file hosting sites that have advertising and subscription costs for faster downloads. People who want to share those fonts without interference from the 'font police' just use hosting sites that are registered in countries that thumb their noses at International copyright law. If you're a big law firm in the USA, trying to put pressure on a website that hosts commercial fonts, you're not going to intimidate anyone, if you send a 'cease and desist' letter to Pakistan, or Viet Nam, or Armenia, or Russia. They wont even read it, because they don't read the incoming e-mails.

If I shared commercial fonts from my own computer by e-mail, I could potentially be prosecuted, but only a fool would do that. If I put a font on a hosting site with a Russian domain, and tell people where to get it, I can't be prosecuted, and a lawyer trying to prosecute the site isn't going to succeed at doing anything other than making some Russians angry, and letting them know where that lawyer can be found.

The fonts I get on 'the dark net' were usually purchased legitimately by a graphic designer. A client chose the font they wanted to have used in the work. The designer bought the font, and the license to use it commercially, on behalf of the client, and billed the client for the cost of the font, as part of the price for the professional service. The graphic designer keeps the font, and shares it with other people. Those people try the font in mockup work, and if they like it, and want to use it commercially, they buy a license. That way they don't have to pay to try the font, and find out that they don't like it. These shared fonts aren't used to avoid paying commercial licensing fees. They're for people who like to collect fonts for amusement, or so people can 'try before they buy'.

That's why I can talk openly about it. If someone who sells a font that I possess knows that I have that font, and knows I didn't buy it from them, they can ask me to delete it from my computer, but they can't make me do that, if I don't want to.

A lot of my picture fonts are 100% free because I don't own copyright to the source images on which they're based. If the font has educational purpose, and is free for all use, I don't need permission to use those images, create something, and give away copies to anyone who wants them. If I charged a fee to use those free fonts, I still wouldn't be breaking the law, because I create my own finished images. Check the Fair Use provision of International copyright law for more information.

If I drew a picture of Mickey Mouse, and had it printed on a T-Shirt, and wore that T-Shirt outside, The Walt Disney Corporation could not have me arrested. If I sold those home made T-Shirts on a street corner, they could. If someone uses a picture of Mickey Mouse that I put in a free font, to make a T-Shirt that they sell, Disney could sue them, but couldn't sue me. If someone is murdered with a handgun, illegally purchased, the company that made the bullets that were fired from that gun has no criminal liability.

I make graphic design bullets. What people do with them is their business, not mine. With the free fonts, I just like to see how other people use them. I make the fonts for me, and I let other people have copies, if they want them. Since the files are digital, I can give away as many copies as I want to, and still keep the original, or I can give one copy to a website, and let them give away copies to other people, on my behalf.

No one is going to arrest me for illegal possession of fonts. No one ever buys a font, unless it's a private use font, (example: a font commissioned by Campbell's Soup, and created by Keith Morris).

Campbell's Soup owns the font. They purchased all rights from Keith. Keith got a shitload of money for making a font solely for the exclusive use of Campbell's Soup.

Nobody except Campbell's Soup is allowed to use it. Many large newspapers have an exclusive font for their page one titles. That's also true of many fashion magazines. The actual font used can't be bought for commercial use by anyone else, but it's not illegal for someone to make a knock off, that looks similar, if the knock off is not a modified version of the original.

The design of a font can't be copyrighted, only the rendering. In the case of newspaper headline fonts, the entire alphabet is seldom displayed, so there may not even be a capital J, or a lower case Q. Those letters aren't needed for the title letters. All other fonts are never purchased. Only a license to use the font commercially is purchased.

It's similar to how the Escort Industry works. Men purchase time with the Escort. During the purchased time, sex can take place. The sex is like the font file, and the time purchased is like the commercial use license. Some sex can be had without a fee. Sex that has a fee has a variable fee, depending on the price agreed upon in the contract.

An Escort could chose to charge a different fee for each client, depending on their level of physical or mental attractiveness, their hygiene, or their ability to pay. A guy couldn't sue an Escort because she offered a blow job to one guy for $100, but offers it to him for $200, or she blows someone else for free, or she doesn't want to blow him for any amount of money. No one has a right to purchase or rent something, from a sole proprietor, just because it's offered for sale or rent to someone else.

Those laws only apply to public business transactions. It's illegal to refuse a black man accommodation in a restaurant, but not illegal to refuse him intimate companionship, and no reason why need be given. Personal service contracts are not subject to 'human right legislation', because they are not rights, they're agreements made between individuals, where a good or service is purchased for a mutually agreed upon fee.

It has to work that way, because some goods or services are offered by some individuals, but not by others, and some goods or services are offered to some, but not to others.

If I own an original drawing by Pablo Picasso, I can offer it for sale to a friend for $100, 000, but that doesn't mean that someone else has a right to acquire that picture from me for $100, 000, if my friend declines to buy it. I can offer to sell the picture to the other person for $10 Million, or decline any offers to purchase it, at any price.

If I own a grocery store, however, I can't sell a carton of eggs to a white man for $2.50, but charge an Asian $5.00. That's illegal, because it's public, rather than private commerce.

 

[bobistheowl]

I was asking BOB!

You shall now be SHUNNED for being too smart for your own good, OG! :rofl!:

He's not half as smart as he pretends to be. It's closer to 18%

Either he's a masochist, and enjoys having me treat him like he's half a fag, as they would say in the Martin Scorsese Picture Goodfellas, or it's like that Seinfeld episode, where George was in love with Elaine's boyfriend for that episode. I don't even uncover that guy's posts anymore. The only time I see what he says is when somebody quotes him, and even then, I pay him no heed.

To paraphrase Joe Piscopo, as Frank Sinatra in an old SNL sketch, 'I pick pieces of guys like that out of my stool'. He's just unworthy of any more of my attention. I wouldn't want to meet him, I don't want to fuck him, he doesn't amuse me, and he possesses no information I wish to acquire from him.

I don't save a condom, when I've finished using it. I put it in the ashtray, like any refined gentlemen would, and the chambermaid will dispose of it, when she cleans the room. That's why her tip is generous, so I don't have to soil my hands with garbage. She's adequately compensated for the task, so I don't see that same condom again, when I'm walking on the beach.

Just because that condom may have had a practical use for me at one time, doesn't mean it retains any sentimental value. I can't sell it to someone, for use as a sausage casing. I can't wash it out, and let it dry on the end of my pool cue. I can't turn it inside out, and use the exterior as a new interior. I can't use it as a temporary bandage. Other people might employ a used condom for one or more of those purposes, but I'm not one of them.

And Louis XIV, you should flip the egg frying on his forehead. I think the bottom's done, but I can't see it, I'm just using deductive reasoning to arrive at a logical conclusion. He usually even quotes these disses, when making a reply that I won't read. That doesn't seem like something a smart man would do.

 

[bobistheowl]

I would think so or what's the use of creating fonts.

Is it possible to use images of nude women to create fonts??

Chunky, this is what a vector image looks like, in my font editor:



Full size:

A lot of guys will recognize the statuesque physique of the foxy lady upon which this image is based.

I took a colour photograph, (used with permission), cropped it, and resized it, so the image height was 280 pixels (96 pixels to one inch). I then drew on top of the 280 pixel high photograph in two colours, composed for black and white. I save the two colour image as a monochrome bitmap, and import that image into the font editor, to create a rough vector equivalent of the bitmap source. The bitmap is a pixel image, composed of squares of different colours. A vector is a scalable image, composed of resolution lines, rather than squares of colour. The vector changes size proportionally much better than a bitmap. All character glyphs in a .ttf or .otf font are made from vector images. An .fon system font is made of bitmaps images of different sizes, instead of a vector that changes its size.

The green points, (and the red one, on the base line), are nodes. The little yellow "+"'s are control handles the black area is the contour. The horizontal and vertical broken lines represent the base line, and the side bearings the amount of white space between the contour and the bearing lines determines the amount of white space between images when this image is typed in an app with the keyboard. That was a test font, so the image is made by typing lower case a, and none of the other keyboard keys produces any text. I could just as easily have put associated the image with the dollar sign, or capital R, or the underscore. If I want to put that image into a different font, I can copy paste it, if I have two windows of the app open, to different fonts.

I imported a monochrome bitmap image, to create the original vector. It would have had a lot of additional nodes around the edge of the contour, so it would look a bit like a cactus, with a similar shape. I then remove the nodes that aren't necessary to hold the shape of the contour, ie: I simplify the vector, and 'sculpt' its shape. The placement of the control handles, relative to the nodes to which they're attached, determines the eccentricity and placement of a curve in a line that isn't straight. I can move the positions of the nodes and handles, to improve the vector's appearance.

There's one handle to the right of the right side bearing, about 1/3 of the way up. it I moved the handle horizontally to the left, the butt would get smaller, but the side edge might appear flattened. If I moved the handle down, vertically, the vector might have a 'mom ass'. When I'm removing nodes in the initial editing, I would leave the nodes that are already at or near where they should be, then I'd adjust their positions, then I'd move the handles. Since the handles are connected to the nodes, there's no reason to adjust them, until after the nodes are in the correct positions.

This image isn't meant to reproduce the photograph on which it's based. It's a stylized icon, similar to a two dimensional statue. By eliminating the unnecessary nodes, I make smoother curves, because I bend the line with the control handles, instead of putting a node at the extreme point of the curve - that's the 'by the book' method, and makes sense, if someone were drawing this image, rather than smoothing an imported rough image.

The proportions aren't meant to be realistic; I was more concerned with the line curves than I was in trying to make the image anatomically correct.

Basically, it's an ink blot designed to sexually arouse the imagination. It works for me.

 

[SillyGirl]

You guys have an entire board to fight with each other. Is it really necessary for you to be rude to Amy by doing it in her thread?

 

[bobistheowl]

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If I found a magic lamp, and rubbed it, and a Genie appeared, and that Genie granted my one wish, I think the wish I would pick would be to unsee your avatar. A woman who looks like that should not have topless photos posted on the Internet.

 

[oldguyzer]

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If I found a magic lamp, and rubbed it, and a Genie appeared, and that Genie granted my one wish, I think the wish I would pick would be to unsee your avatar. A woman who looks like that should not have topless photos posted on the Internet.

Kinda stoopid, ain't ya Bob? That's not a woman. I know you haven't seen very many women naked in your life, but that's a guy. He's got the same equipment as the donkey you like, just not as big.

 

[Guido]

Don't be hard on bito OG, some of us are blessed with bitch titties. In dire times I can always pinch my nipple and satisfy my urges, how many can make this claim?? :biggrin2:

 

[oldguyzer]

Don't be hard on bito OG, some of us are blessed with bitch titties.

True enough, kind sir.

BTW, as a friendly piece of advice, if you are hung like a donkey, you should stay away from Bobby! He has this fascination, ya see....

 

[Cardinal Fang]

I write for the female and heterosexual male demographics, Cardinal Fag. Why are you reading or commenting on my posts?

I thought it was obvious that I wanted to be on your ignore list Bob.

 

[Morpheus]

Respect the wishes of IfYouSeekAmy.
Refrain from posting negativity in this thread.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Apologies Amy.

 

[IFUSEEKAMY]

How about some McLovin?