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https://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2014/06/shooting-on-seattle-pacific-campus-2-victims-reported/

Hero’s quick thinking likely saved lives at SPU




He’s described as quiet, gentle, outdoorsy; a young man of deep Christian faith and dedicated student on the cusp of a promising life beyond college.
But by several accounts Thursday, a single word prevailed when describing Seattle Pacific University (SPU) student Jon Meis: hero.

Shortly after a gunman stalked SPU’s Otto Miller Hall on Thursday afternoon, fatally shooting one student and wounding two others, Meis made a split-second decision that some now say helped stop further carnage.


As the gunman stopped to reload his weapon in blood-splattered Miller Hall, Meis, 22, a senior engineering student from Renton, saw an opportunity, his roommate said Thursday night.


Meis, who was working at the time as a monitor who sits at a desk in the lobby, near the Hall’s front door, quickly moved in to pepper-spray the gunman, then he tackled him to the ground. Police arriving moments later moved in to handcuff and arrest the suspect, other witnesses said.


Shortly after the shooting, Meis recounted the events to Ryan Salgado, Meis’ roommate for the past four years. Salgado was also in the building during the shooting and afterward went to check on his friend. Salgado later recounted Meis’ story to The Seattle Times.

Meis typically carries pepper spray with him because he likes to be prepared wherever he goes, Salgado said. Salgado said his friend seemed to be in shock. He said

Meis was not injured, but he went to the hospital to be checked.

Neither Meis nor his family members were commenting about his actions Thursday.
“We’re not really talking to anyone right now,” his sister told a reporter.

But by late Thursday afternoon, accounts of Meis’ actions were snowballing across social media. “I’m proud of the selfless actions that my roommate, Jon Meis, showed today taking down the shooter,” SPU student Matt Garcia tweeted later. “He is a hero.”

Salgado and others described Meis on Thursday as quiet and athletic, a runner who values his privacy.

Meis is an excellent student who has been very involved in student government, added family friend Andrew Engstrom, who called Meis “physically and spiritually strong.”

“He’s kind of under the radar, a serious student but he’s always nice to everyone,” classmate Rebekah Ogimachi added. “It doesn’t surprise me that he would step in to do something like that. He’s a selfless guy.”

Melissa Engstrom, Andrew’s wife, said that Meis, the son of a Boeing engineer, comes from a family of deep faith that is very close knit. If anything foreshadowed his heroic actions, she added, it would be his faith in Jesus Christ and his example of being willing to sacrifice his own life for others.


“He is very quiet, very devoted to his family,” Melissa Engstrom said. “He had a lot to lose. He is getting married this summer.”
 
Guy was taken down with pepper spray while he was reloading

Thanks for justifying lower-magazine capacity laws and simultaneously disproving the notion that 'the only thing that stops a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun'
 
Another lunatic!

CUMMING (Updated 12:32 p.m.) — Authorities have identified the gunman this morning who shot a veteran sheriff’s deputy in the leg outside the Forsyth County Courthouse as 48-year-old Dennis Ronald Marx of Cumming.

Forsyth County Sheriff Duane Piper said that Marx, who was shot and killed by other deputies, acted alone.

Piper described Marx as a “sovereign citizen” who was due in court on drug and weapons charges.

According to Piper, Marx parked his sport utility vehicle outside the courthouse and threw out spike strips before beginning a “frontal assault” on the facility.

Marx shot a deputy who attempted to stop him before other deputies responded to the gunfire and shot the suspect.

Piper said Marx, who was no stranger to law enforcement, lived on Lakeside Trail east of Cumming and near Lake Lanier.

Authorities are searching the home in case it was booby-trapped.



 
My Baby and her Hubby whom I often refer to as The Boy went there


They both pray for no more violence.
 
It's interesting the way some people just rise to the occasion while others wilt under the pressure.

And it's never known which side of the coin you are on until that test is put in front of you.
 
Meaning?.

removing guns from a population does nothing to keep them from the hands of those who would use the commit crimes with them.

Gun bans will only serve the criminals by taking guns out of the hands of the law abiding citizens.
Consider this knives are banned from prisons yet some how people get stabbed by something that in theory does not exist.
 
removing guns from a population does nothing to keep them from the hands of those who would use the commit crimes with them.

Gun bans will only serve the criminals by taking guns out of the hands of the law abiding citizens.

It is an unfortunate and long debate and there will never be winners or loser. I would rather have the option to have access to my own gun to protect my family.
 
Bloopk said:
It is an unfortunate and long debate and there will never be winners or loser. I would rather have the option to have access to my own gun to protect my family.

I too believe that I have the right
 
removing guns from a population does nothing to keep them from the hands of those who would use the commit crimes with them.

Gun bans will only serve the criminals by taking guns out of the hands of the law abiding citizens.
Consider this knives are banned from prisons yet some how people get stabbed by something that in theory does not exist.

Yes, if someone really wants a gun, they can get it, even in countries like the UK where owning a gun is severely restricted and carries tough penalties. No argument about the availability to those who really want one.

But, if they are not freely available, the random "darn, I am mad today, think I'll grab one of my little bang-bangs and go shoot someone" attitude is removed. It stops a lot of the non-premeditated shootings. And deters those who even premeditate because of the problems associated with obtaining a weapon. That's why the gun-related murder rate in countries that do not support gun ownership is a fraction of the rate in the US.

Yes, I know you have a constitutional right to bear arms, and I also understand why that right was enshrined. But the US is, as far as I know, the only country to have that, and the gun-related murder rate is the highest in the world. Coincidence?

There are many, many sensible gun owners. I own several myself (not saying I'm sensible, just pointing out the fact that I'm not an anti-gun nut). Each of my guns is registered, and I had to take a firearms safety course before obtaining my licence. That's a good process, IMHO. But there are also many gun owners who are not quite as sensible, don't understand the weapon at all, and are mentally unstable when it comes to using said weapon on others.

In the end, the US will not bad guns, and the gun-related murders will continue at a higher rate than "gun controlled" and "gun ban" countries. So be it.
 
oldguyzer said:
Yes, if someone really wants a gun, they can get it, even in countries like the UK where owning a gun is severely restricted and carries tough penalties. No argument about the availability to those who really want one.

But, if they are not freely available, the random "darn, I am mad today, think I'll grab one of my little bang-bangs and go shoot someone" attitude is removed. It stops a lot of the non-premeditated shootings. And deters those who even premeditate because of the problems associated with obtaining a weapon. That's why the gun-related murder rate in countries that do not support gun ownership is a fraction of the rate in the US.

Yes, I know you have a constitutional right to bear arms, and I also understand why that right was enshrined. But the US is, as far as I know, the only country to have that, and the gun-related murder rate is the highest in the world. Coincidence?

There are many, many sensible gun owners. I own several myself (not saying I'm sensible, just pointing out the fact that I'm not an anti-gun nut). Each of my guns is registered, and I had to take a firearms safety course before obtaining my licence. That's a good process, IMHO. But there are also many gun owners who are not quite as sensible, don't understand the weapon at all, and are mentally unstable when it comes to using said weapon on others.

In the end, the US will not bad guns, and the gun-related murders will continue at a higher rate than "gun controlled" and "gun ban" countries. So be it.

I would be willing to bet I could fly into Toronto and in an hour have a 9 mil. plus 100 rounds
 
papasmerf said:
I would be willing to bet I could fly into Toronto and in an hour have a 9 mil. plus 100 rounds

If you go the illegal route, absolutely. Wanna bet it's 10 times easier for me to get one in the US than in Toronto?

The difference in Toronto is you can only own and buy a 9 mil with 100 rounds if you have a restricted firearms certificate, pass background checks, and have an accredited firearms training course. In the US you have to prove you can put on your sandals. So, those guns are common in the US, not so common here. When I, in a drunk stupor which happens every Friday night, decide to blow the brains out of the guy who just stole the cute girl from me, which country will I find it easier to get the gun in?
 
oldguyzer said:
If you go the illegal route, absolutely. Wanna bet it's 10 times easier for me to get one in the US than in Toronto?

Do I get to pick the state?
 
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